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  3. joe sackey

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    5 urracos is a record!
    since you have SOME experience with them: is true the P300 is SUCH A WAY better car? ( chains, performance ,ecc...)

    they are so undervalued cars

    a friend is restoring a rare P200: will post pics
     
  5. EarlyCat

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    What's a quick run down on the different versions, both euro & US?
     
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    The famous car from Geneva, was once for sale at Lamborghini Geneva. The last one (red P250 with sunroof) has the P300 front bonnet.
     
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    Always been fond of them!

    Here's one I saw in Geneva in a garage in March, was in a hurry so just one snapshot.
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    Great looking car. The Urraco grows on me more and more, especially now having a little extra passanger at home now.

    Being a big alfa lover I couldn't help noticing the 2600SZ in the background. Lovely.
     
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    I know almost nothing about the P300, but it does have some significant performance gains over the other two models.
     
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    Raymond - Hi. You are right, of course - the red car does have a P300 bonnet lid, and now I think about it, I'm not entirely sure that this car is a P250 after all. I'll have to check it out with someone at the LCUK club.

    Emilio - Hi. I can vouch for the fact that the P300 does indeed deserve its superior reputation for both reliability and performance over the 2 1/2 litre car. There were significant changes between the 2 models. The later car has the larger engine capacity due to an increase in stroke from 53.5 mm to 64.5 mm, revised cylinder heads with a quad-cam set up and timing chains instead of belts. The P250 used the Heron head principle, whereby the combustion chambers were sited entirely within the piston crowns, wherby the P300 has flatter pistons and a more conventional system of combustion. Dimensions of the body were also altered - the 3 litre car is 35mm longer, 20mm narrower and height was increased by 45mm. The car is clearly quicker than the P250,; the significant imrovement in low-end torque makes for a much smoother drive.

    Earlycat - The US cars were a big disappointment. They were thrown together towards the end of the Urraco production run and labelled as Tipo 111's. They are exclusively 2.5 litre cars with assorted interiors, and suffer considerable power-shortage due to emission controls in effect at the time. Most if not all US cars had the later rubber bumpers, as opposed to the chrome ones that were supplied with all early Euro-spec cars. The roadholding on all models of Urraco is terrific, but the power is noticeably absent on the 111's. I'd probably rather have a 2-litre Italian spec car myself I think. They are also alleged to be underpowered, but at least they are not artificially strangled by type-approval.

    Despite the foregoing, all Urracos are terrific cars in my opinion - probably the most under-rated sports car of modern times. I've had one (or more) for almost all of the last 25 years - I couldn't really imagine not having a Urraco of one sort of another in my garage.

    Best wishes


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    I love them, I have owned mine for the past 3 years and drive it the most of all my cars. 73 Euro P250.
     
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    Interesting car. I have never seen one before. Kind of resembles the 308 GT4 a bit.
     
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    #15 EMILIO, Jun 16, 2008
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    tks for the infos!

    they are very nice looking little cars!
    i will post pics of P200 resto (engine has some performance mods and larger pistons :)
     
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    Ive always thought that as well!
     
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    yes, the cars are somewhat related
     
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    mine...

    BTW does anyone have a lead on the wheel bearings for the P250S? i need one and i cant find any in Portugal or Spain...
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    some more random pics:D
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    dash-interior-stering wheel ...all very cool!

    love your interior Diogo!
     
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    grazie...:D

    obrigado...:D
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    Guy's. I've never posted before but could not resist contributing this time. i'm a long time lambo enthusiast from Sydney Australia.

    James A.
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    what size rims are those?

    Nice color

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    #25 Jamesark, Jun 17, 2008
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    Thanks Alberto - the rims are custom made 17in.
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    looks great!!! congrats
    color really suits the car

    i still think the bravo repro in 15" would look some better (17" are a little to big for the car IMO)
     
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    I had considered that but there is so much more tyre choice in 17in. Besides - when I want the car to look original I put the standard 14's on!
     
  29. Smurf

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    sweet...


    some interesting mods...I like the exaust:D whats the VIN?



    any interior pics?
     
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    The exhaust looks like on this one. I dont give any comments on the rest of the car :)
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    Cool Interior !!
     
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    This is the only interior shot I have. My vin is 15630. The exhaust is essentially straight through with only 2 small resonators. I'm not a purist but I always make syre that I keep original parts and that any mods I make are easily reversable.
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    very nice


    BUT wait a moment

    is the white countach yours? bravo wheels?

    you MUST post pics of it !! tks you
     
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    That's one of my other babies! its LP400 0122. It got series one flares etc in the eighties (don't blame me!). When I get some good shots I'll post on the countach thread. It has a set of original bravos but i'm now looking for the 14 x 9.5 with a view of restoring - but I've had no luck - even spoke to Bob Wallace - no one has them!
     
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    many thanks for posting the pics guys... urraco pics are hard to come by. they look fantastic in blue, silver, met brown and that strange looking metallic green. still kicking myself for not picking up John Lewis blue P300 when i had a chance.

    its been nearly 25 yrs since i last drove a P300 and still remember its banshee like motor vividly. I do recall it being alot more exciting than the P250S. I've never got the chance to sample a P111.

    is there a way to tell which cars came the twin remote brake boosters located behind the headlamps?

    one of these days i'm going have to scan all my urraco pics and post a few.

    cheers

    hf
     
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    Emilio smelling a S1, very funny!!! haha!

    Ciao!
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    Another one, Urraco P250 S # 15828

    Nice color combination with the light interior !
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    Some pictures of two Urraco P300 a saw at the event. Both in Belgian ownership.
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    here's another P118 silhouette, so much nicer than the jalpa.

    this car was on ebay a couple of years ago.


    hf
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    I have to add a couple of mine. These are a couple years old. I'll post more when I return to my other computer.
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    A couple more of when I was putting her together.
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    You're welcome..

    Yes, that's Craigs Silhouette.
    Used to be in France untill recently, with golden rims.

    Bye!
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    That should be #40052
     
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    marcello- your correct on the chassis #



    John- heres some pics i took of your fantastic clean P111 at the italian happening at waterford raceway. i remember seeing your car at the Novi auction in 2000



    happy as a clam with all these new urraco/silh pics posted...


    thanks

    hf
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    5 urracos !! that must be some kind of record. I absolutely luv these little V8 gems. some of my thought in additon to well stated comments of david's:




    wasnt the red UK car with the canvas sunroof featured in a britsh classiccar magazine a few years back? I recall the owner used it as a camper tow vehicle.

    i've driven both a P250S and P300 and the later was better in nearly every way mechanically although i prefer the earlier cars interior with thinner seats and door panels (i do luv P300 shiftgate though) and the cleaner styling of the 2 vent bonnet with chrome bumpers. surprisingly the P300 didnt have brake boosters. i thought all P300 where supposed to come with them but i guess not and the early P250 didnt?

    in addition to assorted interiors... there where 4 versions of the black rubber bumpers too. P111 black front bumpers found on the USA spec model, P200, P300 and early Silhouettes. the "late P300" black front bumpers found on the P200, P300, and both P118 type late silh and late jalpa. P111 usa spec black rear bumpers with chrome trim. P300, Silhouette with 2 piece rear black bumpers.

    although stated in the Jean-Francois Marchet urraco book that there where a 20mm difference in width between the P300 and P250 body. I find that hard to believe that they would revamp the body tooling after 520 units for a change that is virtually visually identical? the other dimensions may be attributed to different bumpers (length), weight and tire size (height)?


    so sad that the silhouette was built in such small numbers. I thought it would have been a great alternative to the ferrari 308 GTS here in the states. I blame the BMW E26 (M1) for that....


    cheers

    hf
     
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    :) LOL
     
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    they are so sweet cars!
    do 50k euro buy a good one today? or i have to update my sil. value? ;)
     
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    You should blame the people who decided to take the money of BMW to built the nonsense Cheetah! That was also the reason why BMW got impatient and cancelled the deal with Lambo to build the 400 M1's.
     
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