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  1. P300V8

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    #1401 P300V8, Jan 3, 2017
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    There you go...from the orientation of your image one might have supposed the car was heading towards New Zealand...
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    Looks beautiful in the best of surroundings! The pictures are really appreciated.
     
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    That's better thanks
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    Eventually some more progresses are being made on the engine after the very busy end of year.

    All the important measurements have been made and we are happy that the conrods and the crank are OK.

    However, some conrod bushes were worn causing oval movements. We were concerned that it affected also the conrods, but fortunately not.

    So the great news is that although initially the engine looked great, I was right to overhaul as the little end issue would have grown!
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    Yes, that's what it says, the first italian owner ordered like this.
    In the seventies this caro was not uncommon, you can find it as well in Porsche 911 on that aera.
    Someone has to like it, not my taste at all, my silver-rose 951 Turbo (1988) had a caro as well, I replaced the seats later on.
     
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    A bit special, but I would like the fact that it is unique. Reminds me of the Countach with the Burburry's interior.
     
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    #1408 P300V8, Jan 21, 2017
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    Are we to assume that the stepped dash, fitted to the P250 bodied P111s and the P300 bodied cars, the P300 gear lever and gate, the body coloured engine compartment and boot, the white airbox lids, the spot lights and the wing mirror were also part of this special factory order?
     
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    Also a non S with air conditioning.
     
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    #1410 P300V8, Jan 21, 2017
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    I think AC was available on both and only as an extra. Electric windows and metallic paint were standard on the S.
     
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    #1411 hyenahf, Jan 21, 2017
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    howdy ivor

    if its a really late 74 it might be possible to have the stepped dash. typically the P300 gear stick and gate came with the stepped dash but not always as i recall. there seems to be many anomalies. I got the early funky chuncky mod seats changed to the P111 type seats somewhere in between #15626 to #15630 a RHD car in 74. seems to me that there were a batch of RHD cars that came out around this time. first step dash in a P250 ive seen is #15142 then most were flat than again until #15828 then went flat again once more. 828 may have been retrofitted since its a thoroughly restored car?

    white airfilters lids were on a lot of cars maybe two dozen or more. i often wonder why it appeared on this one while other were mostly black?
    88k km is a lot of miles for a interior in that conditions. the ariel antenna dosent appear to be stock nor that alfa romeo wing mirror.
    my hunch is some of it may not be original.
     
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    #1412 P300V8, Jan 22, 2017
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    It is difficult to be completely certain as many cars have been "refreshed" over the years. However as far as I can tell all LHD cars with P300 bodies had the stepped dash and the open gear lever gate.

    The car in question has a P250 body and 2.4L engine so it would have had the covered gate. The stepped dash, the padded glove box and the roll over bar were fitted as a package to the P111s. This car does not have the roll over bar nor the padded glove box.

    The change in seat design may also have been related to P111 development but was adopted across all models. To determine where this change happened it might be more fruitful to base the analysis on the body number since Bertone used this as their reference number for trimming. Those P111 bodies were the final tranche of P250 bodies from 459 to 498 though a couple were used for P117s and these may well have the stepped dash etc.

    The P111 and P300 brochures show how these cars should have looked [thanks Kaare!]

    Scans of Lamborghini Urraco 111 brochure (1974a) - timpelen.com
    Scans of Lamborghini Urraco P300 brochure (1974b1) - timpelen.com

    Oh and another thing...notice that the dash in the brochure is covered in mouse hair not leather. This is another commonly seen change since the mouse hair was prone to fading and wear.
     
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    I'm replacing the crappy 90's radio in my 1974 250S for something more period - I'm tempted with a Voxson 8-track. What has everyone got in theirs? I'm assuming that all sorts were fitted from new, or it was left to the importers to sort out?

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    what a dope interior, those seat lookso good like only the factory could do it.
     
  17. JohnMH

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    Hi, I am a new visitor to this section on F-Chat (L-Chat?); I am a Countach guy so I normally hang out there.

    A friend found a rough, non-running Uracco in need of a complete restoration which I will look at this weekend. I have taken on projects before (LP5000S, TR) but never considered a Uracco. In summary, are many parts NLA? If it is a 2.5 car (which I suspect it is) are there real reliability concerns which might make the project less than worthwhile? Is there anything which would make a Uracco an unsuitable restoration project generally?

    Does the little V8 make the drive a worthwhile experience? As the car should be pretty cheap I am not as concerned about being underwater (and as I haven't sold any of my completed projects yet I am not too worried about short term resale value).

    If I get the car I will post some pics.
     
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    Any Urraco is worth saving! No panels are available but the majority of mechanical components are although prices can be eye watering. Viability really depends on its current state. For identification purposes the vin plate is inside the engine compartment and the body number is at the base of the engine cover support strut...
     
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    Hey John, good to see you. YES, save it. I have said MANY times to Lambo owners that they must ad one to their stable. Not real expensive, be it then or now.
    It such a great car. VERY different from all other Lamborghinis. Very different than other marques. So easy to drive, like an old fiat.

    Post some photos if you are able.
     
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    Totally agree! This little car is a hidden jewel. The engine revs like hell and makes one of the most beautiful sounds ever. Plus the car is very nimble and agile, the roadholding is very good.

    Parts availability is comparable to other italian exotics, but I guess you know that sort of things!
     
  21. JohnMH

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    Alas, drove for an hour this afternoon to see it. Gone! Oh well, maybe next time.
     
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    is this the blue rubber bumper car?
     
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    I think so. Do you know more about it?
     
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    #1422 P300V8, Feb 13, 2017
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    For those of you who might have missed it, Urraco S 15420 just sold at auction in Paris for Euro 115K which is Euro 151k after fees etc. This was a nicely refurbished one owner chrome bumper car although with several non original features including a curious arrangement where the third air box should be...
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  25. LC3929

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    You calculated as follows:

    115 hammer price + 15% fee 28,75 plus 20% vat 7,19 = 151

    Isn't something wrong in your maths? Please elaborate.
     
  26. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Artcurial Automobiles de Collection :

    • de 1 à 900 000 € : 16 % + TVA au taux en vigueur 20%
    • Au-delà de 900 000 € : 12 % + TVA au taux en vigueur


    it should be : 115.000 € + 16% x VAT (18.400 x 1.20 = 22.080 )

    => 137.080 €
     
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    Yes indeed. I really don't know what happened there! Still a good price though...
     
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    I was interested in it but I had no idea were to start to being the hunt! It was sitting out in what looked like a salvage yard. It was a dark blue rubber bumper car with black trim I think, eading me to believe it was a P200 or P2000
     
  29. JohnMH

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    I went to its earlier exact resting spot in Sharjah last Friday and it was gone. I have a suspicion where it might have ended up, but spending a day to drive out there just to find out I was wrong does not appeal too much. I found a dead TR in the meantime (but am not certain I need another project TR - I am still finishing the one I have).
     
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    We are blessed.

    none of you guys are currency traders :).
     
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    you probably see in astoria ny soon....:)
     
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    GULLWING?
     
  33. JohnMH

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    Funny. Although many of the owners here probably could not care less about selling.

    I know of a LM002 which was left on a beach up the coast when it broke down while off roading in the dunes at someone's beach house. I saw it after it had been sprayed with salt water. For years. Tragic, but even then the seller would not sell.
     
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    #1432 hyenahf, Feb 18, 2017
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    Man that's sad... I would have love to have had that project urraco ...
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    is this AGIP lubrificanti decal for urraco ?

    was it also used for other lamborghini models ?
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    #1434 em42, Feb 21, 2017
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    The process continues!

    The liners are being installed today and the gearbox is being dismantled.

    Everything is going pretty smoothly except that that we have to get some unobtainable parts, delaying the whole process quite a bit. The factory doesn't give a leadtime, which I guess is normal! We'll wait one more week and try the search ourselves.
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    Hei, why you do not blast out the green surface off the inner engine block? In most cases the tightening surfaces are not free of corrosion marks. Despite the manual you should use very little amount of sealant (e.g. Reinzosil) just to be sure. The liners have to be 0.1 to 0.13mm higher than the surrounding engine block. If you have little corrosion on the engine block, it could help to add very little sealant, too just to fill the gaps due to the corrosion in the tightening surface. The cylinder heads are tightened up only with 6mkg. Good luck for a non leaking engine! Martin (pulled the engine twice due to loss of water)
     
  38. Lambo262

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    Those rod bearings look awful...you should take a long hard look at the oiling system before putting the motor back together !

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    Thanks for your comments. I'll discuss them with the mechanics.
     
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    Hei, the fitting track rod end for Urraco (FRAP 511, VW Bus Mk II, BMW 02-series, ...) is avaliable in turning clockwise (FRAP 511) and counter-clockwise (FRAP 512). Can anybody give me any Information if I need two clockwise-turning, one clockwise one counter-clockwise or two counter-clockwise turning items? I think the left hand threat item (FRAP 512) is normally the inner tie rod end but Urraco has no inner rod end.

    Frap - OEM

    Thanks, Martin
     
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    Hi Emilio,

    the AGIP lubricants decal of your picture should be correct for early production Urracos (attached pic shows this decal on a early production example). Anyway I'm not sure that this label has rounded corners, since I've found it with straight corners (see other attached pic, decal nr 04). I reproduced it on Autocad dwg file and it can be easily laser printed on a polyester autoadhesive sheet with a perfect result, i.e. as original. If you need the file please let me know.
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    Hi everyone,

    Thanks again for the comments. The bearings will be changed and the oiling system has had a thorough check. Everything is in order.
    Thanks Martin for the tips on the tightening, I hope it'll be watertight the first time...
    Still waiting for some parts, but in the meantime the gearbox is being taken care of!
     
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    Hi Everyone,

    I know I'm preaching to the choir here but I think the Urraco the most beautiful car ever. Recently I went to see a Ferrari Mondial 3.2 for sale. As we were walking to view the Mondial I saw in the background the tail end of a Urraco. I said to the "seller" "don't tell me that's a Urraco?" He couldn't believe it!! He told me I was only the second person he had met that knew what the car was (the other was his mechanic!!). Well the Urraco is also for sale (you can view it on Hemings). Would love to hear/to get all of your expert opinion(s) on the car, especially any thing specific I should know/find out. Can't tell you how much I would appreciate it. I know the "ask" is high (dealer price), but I know he's pretty "flexible". My non-expert opinion on the Urraco market, such as it is, is that a "driver", and a private sale, price should be 80-100k. Feel free to pm if you wish. Thanks to all.

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    Sorry; I'm speaking of the yellow one, not the one at Gullwing. Unless everyone thinks that the superior example (very, very doubtful, although it is a 300).
     
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    Judging from the vin quoted as A115072A and the narrative this is 15072 originally bianco/nero. Only the earliest cars had the boot badge.
     
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    Thank you P300V8!! Re "only the earliest cars had the boot badge" is this a good thing or not? I'm more a Ferrari guy myself, but the Urraco? My first, and true love!! Lol I know that Ferrari gradually improves on a car's "weaknesses" (you may know that the "M", as in the 456M, stands for "modified"). So does the fact that this is an early car make it more or less desirable? What do you think a fair offer would be for it? Thanks again P300V8.

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    Dear Temple,

    The Urraco is a fantastic car! It is without discussion one of the best cars I have ever owned. Great engine (mine is a 250), with a wonderful noise. By today's standards it is maybe not the most powerful V8 ever, but it is very balanced and rev happy. What is great is that it really suits well the modern traffic conditions. So you can derive a lot of pleasure without putting yourself or your driver's license in danger!

    On the other hand the chassis is really amazing. It is a really nimble car with a fantastic roadholding.

    The thing is really to find a good example because a lot of them were neglected and have passed though a vast number of hands without proper maintenance.

    Don't hesitate to share pictures!

    Really happy to help if possible!
     
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    Thank you EM42!! You can see the car in question in all its glory on the Hemmings web-site as that is where it is currently listed. I'm going to see the seller again in a couple weeks, I'll be sure to take lots of pics then. Any areas of the car I should pay special attention to?
     
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    Beautiful specs, to me it checks all the boxes in terms of specs: early boot badge, chunky early interior, great colour combination. But as always, it is very difficult to tell from pictures.

    What I would check:
    - rust, rust, rust, rust... These italian 70s cars could even rust standing still in climate controlled garages, joking but you get the point. I saw a bit of superficial rust on one of the boot pictures. So a whole check is definitely on the list.
    - check that all the electrics + A/C are working. It is very unlikely that everything works, and it is very time consuming to sort out.
    - does it possess its books and tools.
    - is it matching numbers/colours.
    - check the compression of the engine, the state of the gearbox, suspension, barke system, etc... And maybe the best investment you can do is a pre purchase inspection from an independent third party. It'll save you a lot of money and could help you find a good deal with the seller.

    All the best! Keep us posted!
     
  50. P300V8

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    Yes the Urraco is very pretty [Gandini] and was technically advanced [Stanzani] for its day. The non S early cars with boot badge, chunky seats and original solid colour palette are the purest form of Urraco as this was how they were originally intended, and would be my choice for a P250. But get a pre purchase inspection as restoration can be very expensive and this needs to be factored into the purchase price. No body parts are available and factory spares if available can be eyewateringly expensive!
     
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    Not to mention delays even though you pay a huge amount of money...
     
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    I see this car has had some recent mechanical work. Nevertheless you should in particular check for written evidence that the original sodium filled exhaust valves have been replaced with solid stainless valves. A potentially catastrophic feature of these engines after 40+ years!
     

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