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    275 GTB prototype s/n5161,GTB Speciale s/n 6437 and GTB/4 prototype s/n 8769. Anyone have pictures? I searched, no joy. Are they just like all the other 275 GTB?
     
  2. Ed Niles

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    I have pix of (I think) 6437, but am just getting up and running with the latest batch of my pix digitized by out friend Jarrett. If he sees this he will post; otherwise wait a few days. It was in my possession for a while back in the day.
     
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    Thank GOD they didn't leave that as the final design! The production 275s look so much more graceful and flow so much better imo.
     
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    #6 Ed Niles, May 12, 2008
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    Here are some pix of 6437, the 275GTB prototype, taken by me when it was in my possession back in the day.
    6721_275GTB (1976 California, USA)6 Ed Niles.jpg
    6721_275GTB (1976 California, USA)4 Ed Niles.jpg
     
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  7. Ed Niles

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    Note the chrome trim on the tail, outside trunk hinges, lack of windwing, and extra hood bump. Just a bit different.
     
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    Maybe on Mike Sheehan's site you will see photos of 6437. He sold it many years ago and restored it for Hong Kong customer. It was green then and I remember seeing it at Monterey maybe 1989-90 ??? (Lovely car)
     
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    Gorgeous. I love those small details. Subtle, but add up to a lot.
     
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    Monterey 1992 it was, shown with the original Torino licence plate "To685458"
     
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    8769 was auctioned by Coys at Monaco in May 2004, maybe you can link to a photo there.
     
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    Thanks for sharing with us those two photos of 06437 Ed. According to Bruno Alfieri, 06437 is a one-off executed by Pininfarina and was exhibited at the 1965 Frankfurt Motor Show. Its first owner was Battista Farina. Best regards.
     
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    Hi Ed,

    You may not remember this, but I've understand the nose on this car is longer than the production Shortnose.

    john

    PS. It's interesting that this car didn't have the unsightly front and rear window trim you see on the 250 Lusso and the production 275GTB.
     
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    6437 has the exact same details as 4335, another Ferrari specificaly designed, owned and driven by Batista PinFarina: no side vents on the left window, chrome ring around the tail, Ferrari script on one side of the registration plate and Pinin Farina script on the other side, special hood, special interior ( thicker and more confortable seat like 400 SA.)
     
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    It is interesting that the rear trunk lid has outside hinges
    like the much later cars with the torque tubes.
     
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    Is that an extra hood bulge in the center or just a reflection?
     
  18. andric

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    Its a bulge
     
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    Ed do you remember the mystery 275 GTB? There was a single sort of side view b&W photograph of it all alone in an old issue of Prancing Horse the FOC magazine. I seem to remember it had extra vents in the body and the editor asked if anyone could identify which model it was. Long before all the 'old' knowledge that floats around here with such clarity! Thanks
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  20. Ed Niles

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    No, but some days I can barely remember my name! There are actually several GTB's with extra vents, some early examples of "comp cars" and some later modifications.
     
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    your pictures are always amazing Mr Niles. the memory may fade a bit, but the pics are priceless!
     
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    One picture in 'The Prancing Horse' magazine issue number 48. Ed my memory is not so sharp either. No extra vents on this 275 GTB. Actually there were less vents; no vents on the sail panel behind the side window glass. The rear window glass was unique in that it wrapped around on the sides almost down to the rear fenders. Like you would see on the rear window on a 1978 Corvette coupe. External hinges for the the trunk lid. The roof drip moulding ran from the side glass ventipane windows back to the moulding around the rear window in a rather inelegant way. 3 spoke mag wheels on this one rather than wires. Any idea about what appears to be one-off design. Nice chrome on the exhaust and a clean spotless car as if recently completed, the car looked new in the period picture. Sorry no scan possible...
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    Hello kare: thank you for the link to the GTB. It looks somewhat similar but there are many subtle differences with the b&w picture car. Most obvious is a shorter tail on the pic(ture) car with no swept up Kamm lip so the trunk is also shorted. The whole rear panel between the tail lights is more vertical on the pic car than on the red car which tilts out toward the top with it's sort of built in spoiler. The pic car has bumpers and a street exhaust system implying at least initially it was a street car rather than a race car. The pic car is missing the trim around the rear glass that the red car has. The pic car has tighter radius rear wheel well area cut out. The red car has the rear wheel well lip swept back more; especially behind the tire. The pic car has the rear edge of the pass door coming almost straight down. The pass door on the red car is cut with slightly more curve as it angles towards the front of the car. Very interesting to compare these to similar but ultimately different cars.
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    Does anyone else have "The Prancing Horse" magazine issue #48? Can they scan the picture of the 275 GTB on page 33 of that issue? No access to a scan here unfortunately. Thanks
    CH
     
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    Thanks for the pictures, Ed. Nice one. First time see the 275 prototype.
     
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    I always preferred the smaller rear window on the early 275GTBs. Gives it more of a vintage look perhaps.
     
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    #27 Tom Roland, May 26, 2008
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    Here is the photo from Prancing Horse #48, CH. Doesn't it look like some Modenese rush job?

    But Kare might be right saying it's the same car as 7185, alledgedly "the third of only three very special competition berlinettas..." after the famous (and unique) 6885. If you compare both photos, the latter 7185 car is nothing else than an "elaborazione" on the earlier rush job.
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  28. kare

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    This is 07185. Too bad it was hotrodded beyond recognition. Somebody must have thought it would be more funky as a wannabe race car. I think it was 10 times as exciting as a road car! Best wishes, Kare
     
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    Kare: it would be even far more exiting as a plain standard 275 GTB.
     
  30. of2worlds

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    Tom thank you for sharing the old picture from PH #48! Hard to believe they are one on the same with 7185. The car has been really worked over to no good effect. I agree with Kare that the original was not changed for the better.

    An interesting story some time would be all the Ferrari models that Rob de la Rive Box of Switzerland got his hands on...
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    We purchased 8769 for our customer some time back in the '80s and serviced it for a number of years. I believe the car was a prototype in engine only (4 cam prototype). The car was dark gray when we picked it up but later painted red by our client.

    I have photos but don't have a scanner. If you really would like them, let me know and we'll figure out a way to get them to you.
     
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    I remember it well. Dan F. showed me around the car when I stopped by one afternoon. Every time it was in for service after that, I would also stop and look.
    A(any) 4 cam in Grigio Argento is stunningly beautiful.
    I didn't know it was 'the prototype'. Apt that it was the first 4 cam I got to know. I never expected to find it in a thread on Fchat though.
    I've never forgotten the car and I've never forgiven the owner (who I knew) for respraying. Tom Justice at Valley Paint & Body in Amelia did a fantastic job, but going from original G.A. to resale red was, to use the term loosely, a crime.

    If you get the photos scanned, it would be great to see them in this thread!

    Thanks for posting, Tyler.

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    Thanks for contributing. I'm glad someone else could comment on the car. I've got a file full of old photographs of Ferraris that have been in the shop over the years. Thankfully, due to our old computer system, pretty much all of them remained in our system with the VIN numbers. If I can get around to scanning all of them, I'll post them in the old photos section.

    Best,

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    Are you referring to the colour, Cyril?
     
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    Incorrect wheels, the mirror and some details too...
     
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    I wonder why Coys give 08769 as the 1966 Paris Show car which was not silver but dark red ??

    The Paris Show car should be 09021 which was sold new to France...
     
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    Have they perhaps misunderstood the text from the book Ferrari 70 years?
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  40. Marcel Massini

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    Coys have no idea what they are talking about.

    08769 was originally Nocciola (hazelnut) but later repainted Argento Metallizzato 106-E-1.
    08769 is NOT the 1966 Paris Motor Show car.
    The factory issued their Certificate of Origin on April 19, 1967.
    The car was sold 15 May 1967 to the first private owner, a 50 year old lady in Rome. It then had six further owners in Italy until the first one in Illinois, USA, 1974.

    09021 was originally Rosso Rubino 106-R-12.
    09021 is the 1966 Paris Motor Show car. It was then sold to fashion designer Charles Jourdan.

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  41. Marcel Massini

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    08769 was NOT delivered with Borrani wire wheels.

    The engine block has been restamped.

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    Did it sell and if so for how much?
     
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    Marcel and I both know the location of the original engine block.
     
  44. miurasv

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    Why was it changed, Dyke?
     
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    Steve: Imagine what happens when you run a 4 Cam engine to almost 10,000 rpm in 1st gear, and then push in the clutch.
     
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    Catastrophic mechanical failure. The block must look like a piece of Swiss cheese.
     
  47. Bob Zambelli

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    Marcel: Back in the early 70s, I serviced what I recall as a 275 GTB/4, silver, owned by Paul Least in Geneseo, NY.
    Very minor work, just on the window regulator.
    He told me that it was a Daytona but the engine definitely appeared to be a 275-4 cam.
    Just a fading memory but do you know the story on the car?

    Bob Z.
     
  48. Marcel Massini

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    11001.
    Least bought it 1970 via Chinetti from Greg Young of Wilton, CT.
    Sold March 1987 by Least to Joe Alphabet in Huntington Beach, CA.

    The second prototype for the 365 GTB/4 Daytona (the first one was chassis 10287, the third one was chassis 11795), strictly a styling prototype as the car was apparently built on a standard 275 GTB/4 chassis. Therefore, its official designation was a "275 GTB/4". Body style similar to production 365 GTB/4 except for the nose, which is similar to 275 GTB/4 but with flatter headlights. Had a three-spoke wooden Nardi steering wheel (without slots cut into the spokes). Inside rear view mirror was mounted on the driver's door. Had velocity stacks and a spare air cleaner. Had a radio with an 8-track tape player that was installed in a Daytona style console with Daytona switches.

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  49. Bob Zambelli

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    When I asked Paul where he got the car, he told me that he ordered it directly from the factory, built to his specification.
    As I recall, he could barely drive a manual gearbox!
    Legend had it that he traded it for a new Ferrari, a 308 or something of that nature but I never saw the car again after I serviced it.
    I did drive it and it seemed to be in dire need of some alignment work. I could not keep it in a straight line.

    I guess Least Auto was in a bit of " Aqua Caldo!

    https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/court-freezes-assets-western-new-york-car-dealer

    So, where is it now?

    Bob Z.
     
  50. Marcel Massini

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    In March 1987 chassis #11001 was sold by Least to Joe Alphabet, resident in Huntington Beach, CA/USA, who paid US$ 200'000, car had 23'887 kms on odometer.
    The lienholder was: In Group Ltd., of Reno/NV/USA.
    August 21, 1987, I sold #11001 to a Swiss collector who kept it for many years (until I sold it for him 6 August 1996). It later belonged to an Asian collection but has changed hands recently and the new owner wishes to remain anonmuys.

    Marcel Massini
     

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