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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by 134282, Aug 21, 2017.
It was supposed to be an amazing turnout this year. Where are all the pictures?!?
Tons of pics on Instagram ! 😉
Just got home, will upload asap.
I closed my Facebook account, and I can't even bring myself to come here everyday anymore. I can't deal with another social media account on another social media site.
Anxiously rubbing my hands together and F5ing the hell out of my keyboard.
Here's Peter's beautiful photography on Barchetta...
Ferrari - Maserati - Alfa Romeo >> Barchetta - The Classic and Sports Car Channel .... Updated News as It Happens.
Thank you; that's a nice start.
Apologies in advance for poor iPhone pics.
Ferrari exhibit on Fairway One.
Ferrari needs to be taken to task for putting Classiche Certification ahead of representing the history of the marque at their 70th Anniversary commemoration at Pebble on Sunday. I arrived late and didn't have time to carefully catalogue the models that were there versus the ones that weren't. But glaring omissions were the 250 PF Coupe and 250 GTE 2+2.
Apparently all cars had to have Classiche certification to be included. But since they weren't being judged and the only time I saw a hood opened on ANY car was when I asked one car's minders to do it for me, I'm not sure what practical purpose certification served.
The cynic in me wants to believe that it was a not-so-subtle statement by the folks in Maranello that "..you have to play by our rules if you want to play at all. See how valuable Classiche certification is?".
Great report ! Thank you very much for the pics !
Sports Car Digest has a nice gallery as usual: Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance 2017 - Photos, Results and Winners
0515GT is just the most amazingly beautiful car ever. Every time I see a picture of it I go weak at the knees...
Any HD photos?
How about on flickr?
Yes, thanks so much, for sharing those...
Makes me think... there are not many left in Europe that are significant... :-(
Just kidding , great to see so many classics and a lot of them non-red as well.
We have updated our galleries in the Media Center:
70th Anniversary display: https://barchetta.mediacenter.pro/-/Events-by-Year-Auction-Concours-News-Race-Rally-etc/00-2017/Concours/Monterey/Pebble-Beach-PS/Anniversary-Exhibition-Ferrari?rd=1964532&Dir=2256535
Class M1 (Ferrari Grand Touring): https://barchetta.mediacenter.pro/-/Events-by-Year-Auction-Concours-News-Race-Rally-etc/00-2017/Concours/Monterey/Pebble-Beach-PS/Class-M1?rd=1964532&Dir=2256548
Class M2 (Ferrari Competition): https://barchetta.mediacenter.pro/-/Events-by-Year-Auction-Concours-News-Race-Rally-etc/00-2017/Concours/Monterey/Pebble-Beach-PS/Class-M2?rd=1964532&Dir=2256549
Class M3 (Ferrari Race Winners): https://barchetta.mediacenter.pro/-/Events-by-Year-Auction-Concours-News-Race-Rally-etc/00-2017/Concours/Monterey/Pebble-Beach-PS/Class-M3?rd=1964532&Dir=2256550
Class M4 (Ferrari One-Offs): https://barchetta.mediacenter.pro/-/Events-by-Year-Auction-Concours-News-Race-Rally-etc/00-2017/Concours/Monterey/Pebble-Beach-PS/Class-M4?rd=1964532&Dir=2256551
That´s it, I hope you enjoy...
Great galleries Peter !! Thanks !!
Wexner must be proud of his stupid red on 0452/MD, as usual...
Nobody noticed again that the nose of 0402/AM was not correctly redone.
When you think that this car won Pebble Beach in 2016...
Congratulations to the judges and the proud owner !!
So you think just because the lower side of the opening looks less rounded this car should have not won PB and the owner should not be proud of it???
I think that a car which is not perfect shouldn't win Pebble Beach.
About the proud owner, when you see all the money lost into the new horrible replica Vignale body of 0070, the less he could do is to restore properly 0402/AM....
You right Cyril that a horrible work......US finish
He must love red lingerie....
Great event, thanks for sharing the best of summer!
1.) How do you know that the other cars in Pebble are all perfect or do you have files for all of them
2.) I might regret that but may I ask you how many Ferrari you did own and restore in your life. I do not mean to insult you in the slightest way but unfortunately I can not judge whether you have some serious insight or just want to talk down others cars just by a few pictures
Sorry, no intention to bother you but I am interested as this might preset the following conversation.
what a pleasure to see 0233EU out there in full swing. What a car!
what about the repaint of 7963? Pity.
1) Where I have said that all the others cars in Pebble Beach were all perfect ?
2) I didn't know that owning a Ferrari and having restored it were a condition to be judge at Pebble Beach. Thank you, I understand better now how does it work and why nobody here cares about authenticity of the cars shown. I would call this partiality.
I could make a big thread here with tons of errors in all the Ferrari shown at Pebble Beach since the last 20 years but I can't as I have owned in my life only some Fiat, Lancia and Alfa Romeo. 😱
I am sorry to read that you obviously took my post as an insult...
I am simply tired of all those people over here who never owned or restored a Ferrari looking down on other people (like the sarcastic comments of the proud owner or Wexner) for not treating their car exactly as the expert here expect.
Wexner for example can paint his car whatever colour he likes...as the paint before was not the original paint anyway nothing of the originality was harmed and the next owner can repaint it into a different colour if needed....
For personal use: https://www.autoblog.com/2017/08/21/ferrari-celebrates-70th-anniversary-on-the-18th-fairway-at-pebbl/
Right click on the fullscreen pics and you have high resolutions pics for your enjoyment ;-)
OK, if Wexner paint his next Ferrari in bright pink with green peas, I'm sure you will be the guy who will applaud at Pebble Beach next year...
I forgot to say I have also owned some fast italian motorbikes (in Ferrari red colour of course) : I should be banned of FerrariChat for that !!!
Thanks to all who posted personal images and links
I enjoyed the vicarious experience
Some are just achingly beautiful
Would that i won the powerball...
(A ridiculous lottery)
Beautiful detailed pics of the cars at Pebble... https://www.autoblog.com/2017/08/21/2017-pebble-beach-concours-delegance-photo-gallery-amazing-details/#slide-7041130
Car royalty at the tour d'elegance...
Aardy has the best eyes on f-chat, no question about that. If you think somebody here has better judgement on these things, just FORGET IT.
I too wonder how expensive must these cars become, before detail is starting to interest parties involved. It seems that every new player must do the same mistakes over and over again, before they slowly gain the understading that it took enormous discipline to create these cars in the first place - and it does take even more discipline to repair them correctly as there is no "artistic freedom" in reparation. Those players who understand this are few and far between, and have been working with these cars for decades. Having worked on these cars for decades, on the other hand, guarantees nothing. I for one, would never have cosmetic repairs performed in Europe as there is NOBODY who can pull if off, even close. I too have been shocked by too many disasterous restorations over and over again.
ps. if you work on a car trying to put things back the way they were, it is possible that you slowly gain understading how difficult it really is to make it right. Even if you do - and that is a big if - and your bills get paid anyway, you start to get sloppy. Very few artesans have discipline unless their customers are ruthless with their demands.
Come on...give it a break.
If Wexner decides to paint the car the way you said I do not have to like it but he still did not do anything that is not reversible. Why do people over here behave like it is blasphemy when a car does not look like the day it left the doors in Maranello?
If the first owner painted it pink with green peas, does it have to stay like that to the end of Days??? Nothing wrong with a repaint if it is not the Original paint anymore anyway...as for the front of the 375: Why don't you ask the restorer why the car was done that way? Maybe the front was changed in period after that Picture ? Why implying it is only because Lack of Knowledge or because they are lazy?
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I think the discrepancy may be created by the angle of the photos being different, resulting in projection and curvature playing tricks.
No, Aardy is right. And yes, many restored cars have wrong fronts or wrong body lines. I could give a long list too. And a guy who paint red all the historic cars of his collection today has no taste. This is so 80's...
when it was green
Thanks to Kare, Giotto and others for their post but don't forget the new rules to be allowed to post in this thread :
1) You must be a Ferrari owner.
2) You must have restored it.
Kare, Giotto, I think it's OK for you. Thanks ! 😂
I regret to say that Peter he s not really objective in this case, probably business with some customers.
Smell to cheap excuse. )
No, not at all...but I doubt most of you would say that this way Into the Face of the restorer but it is easy to do this here...please write Butch Dennison that he did it all wrong
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I think he can comes here and explain by himself...
I'm pretty sure it will nice to have a conversation with him, him and the owner too...
Where did you see " all wrong " in my posts?
Well, when trying to re-create a body like 0070M one is stepping into the fire, so getting burned in the end cannot be a big surprice.
In this case, the body is a total failure.
This also raises another question: when body repairs in period (or later) modify the shape of the car: should one redo the body as when it came out of the factory or leave the cars as they are now?
A few 250 GTO's have such currently "non-correct" shapes such as 3851GT (wrong rear fender, wrong side vents position), or 3647GT (wrong main air intake shape and foglights position, 2 or 3 side vents).
3647GT had a number of accidents and was rebodied, but the rebodies were always done by Ferrari/Scaglietti in period, were they not????