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212E/225S Tuboscocca for sale

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  1. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
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  2. anonymous161

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  3. jjmcd

    jjmcd Formula Junior

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    History of 0190ET from Barchetta. It looks like a significant part of the body was recreated by DK Enginerring in the late 90s.


    52 - Jacques Peron, Nice, F
    52/jun - Marius Heyman, Casablanca, Morroco via Soc. Cogemati
    52 unknown race in Morocco Marius Heyman #25
    52/jul/25 Concours d'Elegance Bois de Boulogne Marius Heyman #115 SuR p57
    FA12 p125
    "7470 MA 19"
    52/aug/13 fat. acc. Rallye Liege-Rome-Liege Marius Heyman/ Claude Leguezec #41
    - Marius Heyman died on the Roma-Bolzano part of the route
    55 - front rebuild with a modified air intake and a new grille
    55 - Joseph Ampoulié, Garage Ampoulie, Neuilly sur Seine, F "2715 DN 75"
    56 7th OA 5th IC 12h Reims Yves Giraud-Cabantous/
    Joseph Ampoulié #19 FbV p123
    56/jun/10 dnf 1000km Paris, Monthlery Yves Giraud-Cabantous/ Joseph Ampulié #12
    57 - .................
    5. burnt unknown hillclimb
    75 - wreck resurfaced with M. Checchi, Chambery, F missing rear body & roof
    87 - wreck sold to David Shute, Somerset, UK
    90 - wreck sold to Jacques Montenarie, Paris, F
    98/nov - wreck sold to Angelo Galeazzi, Brescia, I via Emilio Comelli
    98/nov - measurements from 0170ET were taken at DK Eng. to create a new roof
    99 - completely reconstructed in Italy, painted dark red
    00/may/25-28 Mille Miglia Angelo Galeazzi/ Portesi #162 ZA 137 FD"
    02/feb - David Clark, London, UK (Taylor & Crawley) "FAS 860"
    02/jul/13-14 Festival of Speed, Goodwood David Clark
    03/jan - offered by Taylor & Crawley, London, UK for PDS 400,000.-
    03/jul - Michael Willms, Aachen, D
    03/jul/23-24 1st IC 10th Modena Track Days, Concours d'Elegance, Nuerburgring Michael Willms
    04/may GP Historique Monaco Michael Willms #33
    04/oct/27-31 24th OA Ferrari Maserati Historic Challenge, Finali Mondiali, Monza, Cat. B, race 1 Michael Willms #312
    04/oct/27-31 dns Ferrari Maserati Historic Challenge, Finali Mondiali, Monza, Cat. B, race 2 Michael Willms #312
    05/mar - offered by Gregor Fisken, London, UK
    05/may - offered by Gregor Fisken, London, UK CaS 5/05 p251
    0. - Federico Bianchi, I "ZA 116 XY"
    0. - repainted French blue
    06/may/11-14 Mille Miglia Federico Bianchi/ E. Costella #284 C154 p24
    06/dec/17 - NS - Bonhams Gstaad Ferrari & Maserati auction - highbid SFr. 980.000.-
    0. - Marcello Fratini, I
    09/may/14-16 Mille Miglia Marcello Fratini/ Alessandro Bruni #134
    10/may/05-09 Mille Miglia Marcello Fratini/ Alessandro Bruni #155
    10/sep/24-27 1st Uniques Special Ones Concours d'Elegance, Firenze Marcello Fratini
    11/may/12-15 Mille Miglia Marcello Fratini/ Alessandro Bruni #173
    12/may/17-20 Mille Miglia Marcello Fratini/ Roberto Benelli
     
  4. Timmmmmmmmmmy

    Timmmmmmmmmmy F1 Rookie

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    Great looking car.................
     
  5. GTE

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    If money were no object, I would buy that in a heartbeat.
     
  6. The Red Baron

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    Bit more than that I think. Est around $1.75 M
     
  7. KenGoldman

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    I asked for info--they were quoting 2.5 Million euros--which is around $3.25 US Dollars.

    Nice looking car---but seems a bit on the high side today

    Ken Goldman
     
  8. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Oh wow. Really on the high side.
     
  9. BIRA

    BIRA Formula Junior

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    From what I heard, the most recent buyer paid a lot for this from the previous owner. Somehow, it seem very expensive compared to the other Tuboscocca that was sold few weeks ago and sold before last year by T.S. that does not have matching engine, not even a correct type, but the original engine can be found. This present car had a colorful race life with lethal accident and fire, separately. But it looks good although I personally preferred it when it was dark red, a color that suited this car very well. Time will tell if the market climbs as high as the asking price...I am a careful vintage racer and personally I would not buy a car involved in a deadly accident, but this is a personnal thing. In one case, a nice dealer tried to persuade me on the basis that the driver did not die in it,,,actually he was thrown out of the car and died the day after in hospital. I passed nevertheless...
     
  10. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
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    I would pass also.
     
  11. kare

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    I must wonder why are these partially or wholly reconstructed cars ALWAYS off-shape?
     
  12. The Red Baron

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    In what respect do you mean Kare. Got a comparison photo available.
     
  13. kare

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    Rear fenders are slightly off-shape. 2-tone paint really makes it stick out. Probably comes down to use of English wheel, which tend to produce make rounder forms compared to hand beating.

    But it is a very good job anyway - and I am very happy that somebody went through the trouble to restore the car instead of rebuilding into yet another terrible looking fake Barchetta!

    It is also a good thing that the mishaps the car once had are all public. In most cases they aren't and it takes hours to work to discover that everything is not always just as smooth as the history file suggest.
     
  14. ggjjr

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    I almost purchased a '66 Corvette, one time, until I found out that a prior owner had lost it going around a curve and hit a guy wire, cutting through the A-pillar and decapitating him. I just couldn't get past the thought of a head rolling around in the back.

    George
     
  15. jjmcd

    jjmcd Formula Junior

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    Are you referring to #0168ED? -- sold for $1,237,500 @2013 Amelia Island by Rm Auctions One of six 225S competition berlinettas. Second in Class, 8th place overall at the 1953 12 Hours of Sebring. Overall winner at the 1955 Cuban Sports Car Grand Prix. Understood to be one of two berlinettas constructed on the famed “Tuboscocca’ chassis. Offered from 38 continuous years of recent ownership. Fresh mechanical and cosmetic refurbishment. Superb entry for top historic races and rally events.


    RM Auctions is proud to present this iconic 225S, chassis 0168ED. As one of the six competition berlinettas built (indicated as such by the even numbered chassis, reserved by Ferrari for the racing variants) it features the aforementioned, unmistakable ovoid egg crate grille (this, in the attractive ‘convex’ formation) as well as the desirable triple oval, chrome-ringed ‘portholes’ on the front fenders as well as other eye-catching Vignale touches.

    0168ED is an extraordinary example of this rare breed, with a short yet impressive competition history and documented ownership chain, culminating with its most recent keeper, who has owned the car for nearly 38 years.

    After a very brief stint in the hands of its first Roman owner from July 25, 1952, it was re-attained by the factory in November of that year (likely as a trade-in) and promptly sold and exported to Luigi Chinetti Motors in New York, USA.

    Chinetti sold the car to brothers Peter S. and Robert Yung of New York who intended to race, and race they did. 0168ED, in the capable hands of its privateer owners, debuted the car on American circuits at the second annual 12 Hours of Sebring in March 1953, remarkably finishing in 8th position overall, taking a 2nd in their class. Another significant result came in May of that year, where the car placed 4th overall at Bridgehampton.

    From the Yungs, it was sold to Santiago Gonzales of Cuba, whereupon he achieved a remarkable First Place in the Cuban Grand Prix Sport, held in Havana in October of 1955.

    From Cuba the car was sold back to an American in 1957 (Robert Andinolfi of Los Angeles), landing in California where it has remained through the present day. During the 1960s the car had another California owner, Jerry Curion.

    This brings us to its most recent owner, Donald R. Wasserman of San Francisco, who acquired the car in 1971 from a referral by noted Ferrariste and author Richard F. Merritt. Wasserman was known to many as a ‘larger than life’ character who was constantly ahead of the curve as an enthusiast of vintage racing machinery as well as in business – for example, he was early to see the potential of real estate investments in the Haight-Ashbury area of San Francisco. As an avid historic racer, motorcyclist and even winery operator (Great Bison from the California Central Coast), he was a founding board member of the CSRG, one of the oldest vintage motorsport clubs in the country.

    By this time, 0168ED, like so many old racing Ferraris, had been fitted with a Corvette V8 and was in need of a comprehensive restoration. Not surprisingly, Wasserman had the vision to see it through, embarking on a full restoration in 1974, which took all of five years to complete. During this process, an early Ferrari 250 GT engine was acquired. This 250 GT unit, with inside-plug heads and early, front mounted twin distributors is clearly a direct progression in Ferrari’s ongoing development of the Colombo V12s. In this configuration, the 250 GT engine is very similar in appearance and performance to the original 225S engine, making it a very appropriate substitute. A letter from Wasserman to noted Ferrari historian Marcel Massini, dated 1983, confirms that his objective was to remain period-correct. The Ferrari gearbox and differential are original type and specification. (A highly-respected Ferrari restorer was impressed upon recent inspection that he found virtually no evidence of structural modifications that remained to accommodate the Corvette engine.) NOTE: The original, ‘0168ED’ engine is installed in the 166MM Spider Scaglietti, also available at this sale, and presents a virtually unique opportunity to reunite the original engine with the 225S. Persistent attention to detail during the restoration was rewarded upon completion when the 225S achieved a First in Class award (Ferrari and GT Cars Through 1958) at the Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance in 1979. Afterwards Wasserman campaigned 0168ED in vintage racing events on several occasions in the 1980s, including the Monterey Historics in 1980 and 1984, and the Mexican road race ‘La Carrera Classic’ (Ensenada – San Felipe) in 1986. The car was featured on concours lawns subsequent to its Pebble debut, notably at the Emilia-Romagna Concorso d’Eleganza, Fort Mason, San Francisco in 1987.

    Sadly, Mr. Wasserman passed away in December 2008, leaving behind the legacy of a true enthusiast and his long term love affair with this particular car. There are many documents that are to be included with the car, numerous photos and even the original tool roll has survived. Donald Wasserman owned other early and important Ferraris (including a 212 and a mighty 1967 312 F1) but it is telling about this car that 0168ED remained with him to the very end of a life well-lived.

    The Wasserman estate heirs believe that the car has seen little use during their patriarch’s later years and was found in need of some mechanical recommissioning prior to offering the car for sale. This has now been accomplished at a cost of over $30,000. The primary focus of this program was the engine. So, in recent weeks the unit has been disassembled and extensively inspected and refurbished as necessary by a Ferrari specialist, to include new pistons and main and rod bearings. After reassembly, the engine was checked and tested and is expected to provide many more long years of reliable use. (Test results will be made available upon request.) In addition, the clutch was rebuilt and the transmission and brakes inspected.

    The Borrani wheels have been rebuilt and shod with fresh rubber. Various cosmetic items have been addressed as well, but overall the appearance reflects precisely its modern history from its ‘70s concours restoration, followed by enthusiastic event usage in its subsequent years.

    Any Ferrari competition berlinetta is special. As one of only six of the alluringly bodied Vignale cars built, this wonderful and rare 225S is dripping with charisma and could be considered the ultimate example of an ‘event car,’ eminently suitable for historic circuit racing, for use on the very popular 1000-mile touring events held around the country, or, perhaps most significantly, a desirable entry for the all-time classic ‘Mille Miglia Storica.’


    Or to #0170ET, which was what DK used to recreate the body on 0190ET? - see:


    1952 Ferrari 212/225 Sport Coupé by Vignale 170ET- sold for EUR644,000 @ 2010 RM Auctions Sporting Classics of Monaco This particular Ferrari 225, chassis 0170 ET, is one of a limited few competition berlinettas bodied by Vignale, indicated as such by the even-numbered chassis, reserved by Ferrari for the racing variants. It started life as a 212 and was purchased in 1952 by Dr. Augusto Caraceni, son of Domenico Caraceni, the famous Rome-based tailor who furnished everyone from Humphrey Bogart to Aristotle Onassis. In April, the car was test driven by the factory, undergoing suspension upgrades in the process. On 3rd May, Caraceni entered the XIX Mille Miglia with co-driver Franco Meloni. Although they did not finish the race, Caraceni continued racing with great success throughout the summer, including several hillclimbs and the Coppa Intereuropa in Monza. He won his class in the Aosta-Gran San Bernardino hillclimb and became the Italian hillclimb class champion for 1952.

    In early 1953, the car was returned to the factory in Maranello, and its engine was upgraded to 225 specification. Subsequent owner Jan Bos-Eyssen of Holland raced the car through 1956, primarily at Zandvoort. In 1964, the car was sent overseas to the U.S. and remained in the New York/Connecticut area until its owner in 1974 commissioned a restoration by Ferrari expert François Sicard. Thereafter, the car remained in the United States until 1986, and its detailed ownership history is well documented and available to interested bidders.

    Over the ensuing years, the car has been enjoyed actively by its owners, both in the U.S. and Europe, and has proven itself a superb entry in shows and races, participating in the Monterey Historics (1984), the Mille Miglia Storica (1990, 1992 and 2002), the Historic Grand Prix in Monaco (1997), the 1992 Coppa d’Oro delle Dolomiti and the Ennstall Classic in Austria (2005 – 2007). It has been featured in Classic & Sports Car (1987), was pictured in the 1952 Ferrari Yearbook, and has been shown in everything from the Ferrari Concours in Carmel to a period of display at the Monteverdi Auto Museum in Switzerland.

    The current engine fitted in 0170 ET is a larger, more powerful three-litre 250 GT V12 engine (type 128B) with internal number 508, which is likely out of a 250 GT Boano. Any Ferrari competition berlinetta is special of course. As one of the rare, alluringly bodied Vignale cars built, this wonderful and rare 225 Sport is dripping with charisma and is eminently suitable for historic circuit racing, for use on the popular 1000-mile touring events held around the world or, perhaps most significantly, a desirable entry for the all-time classic Mille Miglia Storica or Monaco Historic Grand Prix.

    225 Sport Vignale Berlinetta 0170ET
     
  16. BIRA

    BIRA Formula Junior

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    Both cars were way less expensive than the asking price of 0190.
     
  17. The Red Baron

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    The 225S is a relatively rare car. Only 21/22 produced and therefore very collectable. I believe the model is still generally under valued.
     

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