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Old 04-03-2006, 10:04 AM
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How the Breadvan came to be.

[QUOTE=eurperules] wonderful makes me proud to be belgian!

care to tell us some more interesting side notes on mr Bizzarrini and his development on the 'breadvan'?

Count Giovanni Volpi on creating the Breadvan and GTO (excellent read for collectors)

Count Volpi did explain the creation of the Breadvan in this thread.
It is an excellent read.

Photos: Count Volpi 2005 at his Villa in Venice.
Volpi and Massimino in the sixies.
I think Massimino was building a F1 car for GV, not sure of details.
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Old 04-03-2006, 11:34 AM
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Does the Count still own any Ferraris?
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Old 04-03-2006, 12:51 PM
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The man does not own a single car.

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Does the Count still own any Ferraris?
I was surprised to learn he does not own any cars. Not even a current model car of any kind.

The many Ferrari cars he raced were sold through a broker after a few races. He usually got about what he paid for the 250 SWB and GTO cars after he used them for a few races.

He sold the Breadvan for $2,500. Yep, that's right, $2,500. The Breadvan was a re-bodied 1961 250 SWB, which probably cost not more than $4,000 brand new.

No one, at the time, had any idea these cars would become collector items.

He once dumped a wrecked F1 Porsche in the trash as the expense to transport it home after the race was more than the value of the car.

The one car he kept awhile for a daily driver and sold for the low six figures was the 1961 TRi, which won many races.

Please Note: All photos are copy right Giovanni Volpi.

The TRi photo in street dress was taken in 1977. Provo (Test) MO (Modena)
The 1962 Sebring brochure is signed by Swede Joe Bonnier: "To Giovanni, Thanks for a nice car."
Joe was Porsche werks driver in 1961, but also drove cars for GV. For instance, Joe drove a Birdcage Maserati for GV in the Gran Prix of Pescara in 1961.
Bandini is shown racing the TRi.
CDM at left in lawn chair at Gran Prix Pescara 1961. My flight suit got "lost" and I flew my USAF F100 back to Germany in civilian coat and tie, which caused a great flap back at base, followed by my now well rehearsed rug dance.
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Old 04-03-2006, 03:33 PM
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I was working for Peter Sachs in 1985 when he was trying to help Volpi sell the TRI61. Several people got close but I found it amazing that it was so difficult to find it a new home. I am not sure but I believe the late Stanley Nowak purchased it for Ralph Lauren about then but I do not believe that it was sold for low six figures.
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Old 04-03-2006, 03:40 PM
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Old 04-03-2006, 06:07 PM
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Count Volpi Tri 61 did sell for $440,000, now owned by Ralph Lauren

A quote from by Bertocchi.

"I was working for Peter Sachs in 1985 when he was trying to help Volpi sell the TRI61. Several people got close but I found it amazing that it was so difficult to find it a new home. I am not sure but I believe the late Stanley Nowak purchased it for Ralph Lauren about then but I do not believe that it was sold for low six figures."

CDM email to Count Volpi:
Giovanni,
I understood you sold this car for $440,000, but assume that is confidential/personal information.
Is is OK to say your sale price, or would you prefer to keep it confidential.
Gary

email reply from Count Volpi:
I vaguely remember speaking to Sachs at some point but to no effect. 440 is correct. Don't mind telling it. Don't remember Nowak. What I remember is that both the Lauren people and Lauren himself, whom I met in Milan, besides not being able to tell the front end from the rear end of a car, could not make up their minds whether the TR was genuine or a fake. The reason, I suspect, being that it was in its usual 'bare bones' 'kick around' configuration and not shiny enough and laden with twenty coats of paint as it is now, transvested for some surreal car-show typical of those who make fakes - and they do exist, often helped by connivances going high up. I still wonder why Lauren bought it. As for the person who found Lauren, she is an old friend of mine who knew him quite well: Mimi Russell. At a cocktail party in NY, she had by chance overheard some Italians she knew (and I did not) discussing the car to my obvious disadvantage, got angry, and decided to thwart their game. Bravo, Mimi!

Re. Photos: all copy right Giovanni Volpi
I'm not sure these are the same TRi mentioned above.
Some photos are labeled TRi 61 and some TR 2,which I believe was a second TR GV owned and raced.
photo 1: Jackie Stewart
photo 2: view from
photo 3: Clermont race
photo 4: Cary Grant (I think he is saying, Judy, Judy, Judy, there is no room to make love in there.)

What I finding interesting about this era: Count Volpi owned and raced these cars and he alone owns those memories. RL comes along and throws paint and money at the car years later, then takes the bows at Pebble Beach like he'd actually done something. I guess that is the game today.
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Old 04-03-2006, 07:55 PM
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What I finding interesting about this era: Count Volpi owned and raced these cars and he alone owns those memories. RL comes along and throws paint and money at the car years later, then takes the bows at Pebble Beach like he'd actually done something. I guess that is the game today.
Gary, Thank you for the insight. I don't consider $440K but that's me. I agree whole heartidly that the true "Car Guys" are not the owners of such cars. Garages with epoxy floors and flawless cars inside that never see the light of day have become the norm. Volpi made history!
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Old 04-03-2006, 08:53 PM
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^ I totally agree


Ct. Volpi, thanks so much for all this insight. It is so cool to hear the stories of these cars from the [ex] owners themselves and thank you Gary for being the person that connects us all to him.


Thank you again


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Old 04-03-2006, 09:28 PM
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Thanks so much for bringing Count Volpi into this discussion, Gary! And thanks to the Count, as well, for sharing his memories and his pictures!

One more question: Did he ever drive these cars himself (not necessarily in competition), or was he strictly an owner? Did he drive them on the street?

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Old 04-03-2006, 09:40 PM
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Thanks very much to you Gary for facilitating the conversation and especially to Count Volpi for sharing his memories and his photos. As a member of the younger generation (only 22 now) who was not able to experience these days first hand, it really is a treat to at least hear about them from those that were there. If only I had a time machine!!

-Jarrett

P.S. Also, all of the photos below are of 0792TR, do you know what year they were taken? Thanks
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Old 04-03-2006, 09:47 PM
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Count thanks for sharing! CDM what are the counts thoughts on the newer f-cars? Does he ever think about going out and either picking up a new or vintage one to remind him of the good old days?
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Old 04-03-2006, 09:59 PM
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Re. Did Count Volpi drive his own race cars?

If memory serves, Giovanni did some racing in his youth, but as he was an only child, he promised his mother he would not race.

I know he drove both the Breadvan and at least two TR for some time as street cars after their race careers were finished.

He owned several 250 SWB at one time and loaned them to friends to drive to the airport etc at the conclusion of a race. At Pescara, I think Joe Bonnie took one of several 250 SWB cars GV has positioned there to catch a flight in Rome.

He gave me a driving lesson in Italy in the 1961 250 SWB that later became the Breadvan. The car was brand new and GV insisted I shift up and down without touching the clutch. His purpose was to demonstrate how good the tranny was. A ZF if I recall, but not positive.

I got back to my air base and told the story and guys were out trying to shift their Porsches and 190SL Benz without using the clutch. At the time, I had a Gull Wing with 12,000 miles and didn't have the courage to try it

Below is a non-racing car accident Count Volpi survived. The photo label says TR 2l.

I forgot to ask him, but I presume this Ferrari exists somewhere in the world today as a multi-million dollar TR. Or maybe it just went in the trash bin.
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Old 04-03-2006, 10:21 PM
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Why does Count Volpi not own any new or old Ferrari's

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what are the counts thoughts on the newer f-cars? Does he ever think about going out and either picking up a new or vintage one to remind him of the good old days?
Erik
I think I know his views but it is not for me to repeat. I will just note that he hasn't owned a Ferrari for many years.

He does like lightweight cars and suggested I look into purchasing a Lotus Elise, which I did. It is difficult to appreciate all the benefits of a truly lightweight car (1900 lb.) until you've flogged one on the track.

He gave me an appreciation for lightweight models, and to show I'm trainable, I purchased a Challenge Stradale. I can't drive it within 50% of its limits, but still it is fun to own.

In another post, Count Volpi has said owning them is of little value to him now. What he has are the memories of being there, and doing it. ie he walked the walk, and while others now own the cars, they didn't have all those experiences in the sixties that he had.

I constantly encourage him to write a book of his racing experiences. From conversation, I know that much of what's out there is either inaccurate, or there is at least another very interesting side of the story.

He had many, many personal experiences with Enzo himself. When you see that Enzo office photo, think of young Giovanni sitting in that chair, about age 25 and going nose to nose with Enzo.
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Old 04-03-2006, 10:33 PM
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Very very cool!!! Thanks, and I can understand where he is coming from. How did you ever meet the count in the first place? Forgive me if you mentioned it before, but I didn't see it in reading this thread.
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Old 04-03-2006, 11:38 PM
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How I met Count Volpi

In 1961, I was part of USAF Skyblazer jet aerobatic team. The Air Force had two teams at the time, The Thunderbirds and The Skyblazers, both flying airshows in the F100 Super Sabre.

The Skyblazers flew an airshow at the 1961 Gran Prix of Germany at the Nurburgring. I met Count Volpi at the Nurburgrng and he wanted us to fly an airshow over Venice. I flew down to visit him in Venice to discuss the show site.

The airshow never came about, but I did arrange for both Count Volpi and German Count Wolfgang "Taffy" von Tripps to have back seat rides in a two seat F100. Taffy was killed the following month at Monza in the 1961 Shark Nose F1 Ferrari 156. He and Phil Hill were close in drivers points and Hill went on to become World Champion in 1961.

Photos: copy right Giovanni Volpi

CDM and Jill Norinder, wife of Ulf Norinder, a wealthy Swede who owned his own F1 Porsche.
Volpi suiting up for his F100F ride out of Aviano Air Base, Italy.
Misurata 1, the Count's boat that picked me up in Venice (His title is Count Giovanni Volpi di Misurata)
Taffy at Monte Carlo 1961 in Ferrari 156
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I echo the earlier comments. For those of us who weren't to be born for longer than we've been alive, it's fantastic to have first (or second) hand recollections of the glory days.

Thanks to both of you for sharing something none of us would have otherwise been privy to.

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0792 of Count Volpi

I can confirm that 0792 does see the light of the day, sometimes.
Below are a few pix, it is owned by Ralph Lauren who bought it in March 1985.
After August 1963 0792 was retired from active competition. 2-10 March 1968 it was displayed at the 3rd Annual Racing Car Show at the Carlo Biscaretti di Ruffia Museum in Torino, Italy. On 20 July 1968 0792 was officially registered for the road on Italian license plates of Rome "Roma D 14700" (see also pix in post #63). I have the Italian ACI PRA documents for 0792 which confirm this. 24 July 1968 0792 was sold through Francesco Jammi for Volpi to S.A.S. Ulisse Berghiun in Rome (on paperwork). In May 1980 I saw 0792 during the Monaco Formula One Grand Prix, parked in front of the Casino and Hotel de Paris. In June 1980 the car was stored at Charles Pozzi SA in Paris, France. In September 1981 Andrea Fabbris drove 0792 during the Raid Ferrari D'Epoca meeting in Modena, and then again in September 1983 by Fabbris during the Ferrari Days in Modena. In December 1982 0792 was advertised for sale in "Cavallino" magazine, issue #14, by MR Inc. in New York. After the purchase Lauren showed 0792 on 15-18 May 1986 during the FCA Annual Meet and Concours in Palm Beach/FL. In December 1990 0792 was featured in "Rosso" magazine, issue #1. In April 1991 it was pictured page 58 of the French magazine "Automobiles Classiques", issue #43. In 1996 the car was color featured in Gunther Raupp's large format Ferrari Calendar. July/August 1999 the car was featured in "Vintage Motorsport" magazine. In July 2002 Paul Russell and Company in Essex/MA rebuilt the exhaust system. In 2005 0792 was displayed in the special exhibit "Speed, Style and Beauty - Cars from the Ralph Lauren Collection" in the Boston Museum of Fine Arts.
I took the pictures below in October 2003.
COPYRIGHT MARCEL MASSINI
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2-liter crash pix in post #72

These crash photos show chassis #0696 MDTR, a 500 TRC, which Volpi owned in March 1962. 0696 MDTR is the ex-Fernand Tavano car. In 1963 it was used by Mimmo Dei's driver's school and Scuderia Centro Sud, mostly on the Modena Aerautodrome. It belongs since 1967 to a private collector and has recently been completely restored.
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Count Volpi was the buyer of one of the last projects of Giotto Bizzarrini.
Built during late 80, early 90, the front Barchetta was powered by a 348 Ferrari engine.
Any ideas where can be the car today ?

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