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Old 12-16-2005, 10:08 AM
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1952 Ferrari 212 SN 0197EL

1952
Coupé Vignale
quantities builded: 13
Châssis n° 135 E, 147 E, 161 EL, 171 EL, 173 E, 175 EL, 179 EL, 197 EL,
209 EL, 211 EL, 217 EL, 219 EL, 223 EL

particularity #147 E rebuilded by SCAGLIETTI like a 250 GT Spider California

production : 82 units
36 by Vignale, 18 Pininfarina, 14 Ghia
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Old 12-20-2005, 07:52 AM
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someone interrested by this nice coupé Vignale?
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Why? Do you have it up for sale or anything?
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:18 AM
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only for knowlage of people someone didn t know the car.
thats all.
if your are intereted you can see on barchetta tihs car is actually in auction
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I love the car but it is WAY beyond what I can afford
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Old 12-20-2005, 10:05 AM
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well, for most people.
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Old 12-20-2005, 10:18 AM
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Was this car once owned by Don Nelson? His had a 250 engine!
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Old 12-20-2005, 10:25 AM
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Rep'd by these folks:
http://www.gregorfisken.com/ShowCar.asp?ID=43
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

1 - 212 Inter Stabilimenti Farina Berlinetta
= 1 "Farina"

23 - 212 Inter Vignale Coupé
3 - 212 Inter Vignale Berlinetta
4 - 212 Inter Vignale Cabriolet
2 - 212 Europa Vignale Coupé
1 - 212 Inter Vignale Spyder
= 33 "Vignale"

2 - 212 Inter Ghia-Aigle Coupé (S/N 0137EL designed by Micholetti)
= 2 "Ghia-Aigle"

14 - 212 Inter Ghia Coupé
4 - 212 Inter Ghia Coupé 2+2
= 18 "Ghia"

1 - 212 Inter Berlinetta Tuboscocca
= 1 "Tuboscocca"

3 - 212 Inter Touring Berlinetta
1 - 212 Inter Touring Barchetta
= 4 "Touring"

1 - 212 Inter Abbott Coupé (pix are not of a coupe, rather, a convertible, and said to be one of ugliest Ferrari Convertibles elsewhere)
= 1 "Abbot"

1 - 212 Inter PF Cabriolet
1 - 212 Europa PF Coupé
= 2 "PF"

1 - 212 Inter Pinin Farina Cabriolet
3 - 212 Europa Pinin Farina Coupé
11 - 212 Inter Pinin Farina Coupé
= 15 "Pinin Farina" (Taken together, 1 "Farina", 2 "PF", 15 "Pin Farina" = 18 [Pinin] Farina)

77 = 212 Inter/Europa/America, not 82, as qv500.com states.
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Old 12-20-2005, 12:09 PM
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Ferrari 212 Inter 1951-53
Coupé Vignale
23 ex
Châssis n° 111 ES, 125 EL, 131 E, 139 E, 145 E, 157 EL, 163 EL, 181 EL, 203 EL, 221 EL, 225 EL, 231 EL, 239 EU, 241 EU, 243 EU, 251 EU, 257 EU, 267 EU, 271 EU, 273 EU, 285 EU, 287 EU, 289 EU
125 EL rebuild in Spider VIGNALE
131 E ,
239 EU new sn 292 MM accident 1952
251 EU Barquette TOURING by FANTUZZI
273 EU modified in 225 S

Coupé Ghia-Aigle
1 ex
Châssis n° 137 S

Coupé Farina
1 ex
Châssis n° 229 EL

1952
Coupé Vignale
13 ex
Châssis n° 135 E, 147 E, 161 EL, 171 EL, 173 E, 175 EL, 179 EL, 197 EL, 209 EL, 211 EL, 217 EL, 219 EL, 223 EL
147 E rebuilded by SCAGLIETTI in 250 GT Spider California

Cabriolet Vignale
4 ex
Châssis n° 159 EL, 207 EL, 227 EL, 255 EU

Coupé Ghia
13 ex
Châssis n° 149 E, 153 EL, 155 EL, 169 E, 183 EL, 185 EL, 187 EL, 189 EL, 193 EL, 199 EL, 201 EL, 205 EL, 213 EL

Cabriolet Ghia
2 ex
Châssis n° 191 EL, 233 EL

Coupé Touring
4 ex
Châssis n° 141 T, 143 E, 167 EL, 215 EL

Coupé Farina
1 ex
Châssis n° 107 ES

Cabriolet Abbott
1 ex
Châssis n° 165 EL
Rebuilded in Barquette TOURING 1990
Motor inside 212 Inter Châssis n° 247 EL

Cabriolet Pinin-Farina
1 exe
Châssis n° 177 E

Coupé Ghia-Aigle
1 ex
Châssis n° 151 S
before was 195 Inter
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I'll compare notes later - here's what I was basing first post on, though:


212 Inter Stabilimenti Farina Berlinetta
0107ES
1/1
1 Farina

212 Inter Vignale Coupé
0111ES
0131E
0135E
0147E - Scaglietti rebodied as California Spyder
0157EL
0161EL
0163EL
0173E
0175E
0187EL
0197EL
0217EL
0219EL
0221EL
0231EL
0237EU - may have later been restamped as '53 0352MM
0243EU
0257EU
0267EU
0271EU
0285EU
0287EU
0289EU
23/24

212 Inter Vignale Berlinetta
0125EL - '87 rebodied Spyder style
0179EL
0203EL
3/27

212 Inter Vignale Cabriolet
0159EL
0207EL
0227EL
0255EU
4/31

212 Europa Vignale Coupe
0239EU - '53 traded for 0292MM - 212 Export Vignale Coupe - restamped 0239EU
0251EU - '50's modified to convertible - '70's - Fantuzzi rebodied as Touring Barchetta
2/33

212 Inter Vignale Spyder
0273EU
1/34
33 Vignale


0137EL 212 Inter Ghia-Aigle Coupe - design by Micholetti
0195EL 212 Inter Ghia-Aigle Coupe
2/36
2 Ghia Aigle

212 Inter Ghia Coupé
0139E
0145E
0149E
0155EL
0169EL
0171EL
0185EL
0189EL
0191E
0205EL
0213EL
0225EL - had Chevy V-8 engine then engine from 0227EL installed.
0229EL - formerly 0109S 195 Inter Ghia Coupe
0233EL
14/50

212 Inter Ghia Coupe 2+2
0153EL
0193EL
0199EL
0201EL
4/54
18 Ghia

212 Inter Berlinetta Tuboscocca
0141T
1/55
1 Tuboscocca

212 Inter Touring Berlinetta
0143E
0167EL
0241EU
3/58

212 Inter Touring Barchetta
0253EU
1/59
4 Touring

212 Inter Abbott Coupe
0165EL
1/60
1 Abbot

212 Inter PF Cabriolet
0177E
1/61

212 Europa PF Coupe
0263EU
1/62
2 PF

212 Inter Pinin Farina Cabriolet
0235EU
1/63

212 Europa Pinin Farina Coupe
0265EL
0269EU
0291EU
3/66

212 Inter Pinin Farina Coupe
0245EL
0247EL
0249EL
0259EU
0261EU
0275EU
0277EU
0279EU
0281EU
0283EU
0297EU
11/77
14 Pinin Farina
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Old 12-24-2005, 01:06 AM
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0137EL 212 Inter Ghia-Aigle Coupe - design by Micholetti
0195EL 212 Inter Ghia-Aigle Coupe
2/36
2 Ghia Aigle


WAX,
With all due respect 212 sn0137EL is not an Inter but an Export. Same with sn0195EL. This has been discussed quite a few times before, in various forums.
The car has 170hp, monza capped 120 litre fuel tank, 2480 wheel base and quite a few other identifying features that make it an export.
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Old 12-24-2005, 04:27 AM
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With all due respect? Haaaaaaaahahahahaaaaaa

I'm just interested in where the occasionally mentioned "82" total comes from - I came up with 77.

Absent the 2 Ghia-Aigles, this total is now 75 - subject to revision/correction.
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Old 12-24-2005, 05:13 AM
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Wax, no problem for me i said 82 you find 75/77, and so what ? numbers that all.


Thanks Red Baron for your help and infos.
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Old 12-24-2005, 05:54 AM
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Funny because this morning i received the Ferrari club magasine #6
i writing what they have put in Ferrari cost list,
212 quantities built are: 108 .

212 export barchetta vignale v12 2562cc 170HP 0076E to 0182E built 11
212 export berlinetta vignale v12 2562cc 170HP 0074E to 0190E built 5
212 export barchetta touring v12 2562cc 170HP 078E to 0158E built 9
212 inter (dif body) v12 2562cc 150HP 0107ES to 02149EL built 50
212 export berlinetta Touring v12 2562cc 170 HP 0080E to 0112E built 3
212 s tuboscossa V12 2562cc 180HP 0141T to 0170ET built 2
212 europa v12 2562cc 160cv 0233EU to 0279EU built 28

interesting no?
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Old 12-24-2005, 06:27 AM
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Funny because this morning i received the Ferrari club magasine #6
interesting no?
Here is what Cavallino #149 (the copy on my desk) has:

212 MM (0070) 1 made
212 Inter Vignale (0111-0289) 36 made
212 Inter Ghia et. al. (0107-0291) 42 made
212 Export Touring (0078-0158) 10 made
212 Export Vignale et. al. (0074-0190) 16 made
212 F1 (102-110) 2 made

212 E Montagna (0862) 1 made
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Old 12-24-2005, 07:09 AM
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108 built, well it seems good.
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0259EU seems to have rebodied as a Touring Barchetta. It is for sale at the RM auction in Arizona next month.

http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails...z06&CarID=r157

From the pictures, it looks like quite a good job (to my unpracticed eye, anyway).
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0259EU seems to have rebodied as a Touring Barchetta. It is for sale at the RM auction in Arizona next month.

http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails...z06&CarID=r157

From the pictures, it looks like quite a good job (to my unpracticed eye, anyway).
Another genuine 212 Inter has lost its life because some idiot used it as donor car. The "Touring Barchetta" body looks absolutely horrible and makes no sense at all. So disappointing. People who do such things should go to jail.
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Old 12-24-2005, 11:07 AM
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it s clear.
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Another genuine 212 Inter has lost its life because some idiot used it as donor car. The "Touring Barchetta" body looks absolutely horrible and makes no sense at all. So disappointing. People who do such things should go to jail.
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That sounds pretty harsh to me.
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