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prices of Daytona Spyder "conversions" ??

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What is the proper way to value the Daytona coupes that have been converted into convertibles? Are they worth slightly more than or slightly less than a regular Daytona coupe?
I thought I read somewhere that "about 100" coupes were converted to Spyders. And that some were built using wrecked coupes. Is that correct?
Who built the best conversions?

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1972 Ferrari Daytona For Sale - Full History and Massini Report, Borrani Wheels

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daytona coupe price minus cost to convert back into coupe form. the conversion is not recognized by factory so no classiche certification possible.
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From my research they're priced the same as coupes.

On our side of the Atlantic anyway, Richard Straman's conversions seem to be the best, and probably most common conversions. Don't know about Europe or GB.
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Here's a nice conversion at Fantasy Junction that has had work done internally to make it match a factory spyder. $725k. Most coupes I see these days range between $675-$750 asking. So about the same.

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Here's a nice conversion at Fantasy Junction that has had work done internally to make it match a factory spyder. $725k. Most coupes I see these days range between $675-$750 asking. So about the same.

1972 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona Spyder Conversion
Being extra picky, the front inner wheel arches have been made in steel which is right but they look to rounded to me.

Inside the trunk looks very odd, pic of the car for sale and pic of what it should be like, on a LHD Spyder. [ Forget this, I have just checked pic's of other genuine Spyders and a lot of them have the angled brace in the trunk ] ! It looks like both styles are correct.
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Has anyone ever taken one of these bastardizations and returned to a proper berlinetta?
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I would buy this before I buy an Aperta. And, frankly, with the cost of the 575 SAs getting out of sight, I would buy this before a 575 SA.

Having said that, I see prices for the 550 PFB and the 575 SA running over $500K, and there is a 550 PFB in San Francisco at $700K and two at Marshall Goodman for over $650K. I have not seen one trade at that price, and I have seen auction results in the $300s. I think the $300s is right for the 550 pFB and 575 SA.

I have seen two Stramans and they are very nice.
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Has anyone ever taken one of these bastardizations and returned to a proper berlinetta?
I take it that you are one of the enthusiasts that do not approve of these conversions
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What about one that was sent back to Italy (from the US) for conversion? I'm unsure if the factory ever converted any Berlinetta's to Spyders. Does anyone know? The car I know of is in NY and quite nice.
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Being extra picky, the front inner wheel arches have been made in steel which is right but they look to rounded to me.

Inside the trunk looks very odd, pic of the car for sale and pic of what it should be like, on a LHD Spyder. [ Forget this, I have just checked pic's of other genuine Spyders and a lot of them have the angled brace in the trunk ] ! It looks like both styles are correct.
I think the research that went into your car probably wasn't equaled here ( your car is amazing), although it seems they did a pretty good job - I'd be very happy with it, after re-painting a different colour of course.
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Inside the trunk looks very odd, pic of the car for sale and pic of what it should be like, on a LHD Spyder. [ Forget this, I have just checked pic's of other genuine Spyders and a lot of them have the angled brace in the trunk ] ! It looks like both styles are correct.
There are similar variations (and more) in Berlinettas too. I recall hearing there are/were at least 11 or 13 different fuel tanks (part numbers) made for Daytona and I'm not sure whether those include any for Competiziones.
I've had three Berlinettas simultaneously in the shop with different OE trunk paneling arrangements and currently two, both US models built less than a year apart, but with different tanks, trunk panels, etc. along with numerous other chassis, coachwork and trim variations.
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Has anyone ever taken one of these bastardizations and returned to a proper berlinetta?
Yes a few have the Competizione Daytona Fantasy Junction have was once made into a Spyder. It's probably only been in the last few years that it has remotely made financial sense.

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Yes a few have the Competizione Daytona Fantasy Junction have was once made into a Spyder. It's probably only been in the last few years that it has remotely made financial sense.

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Great. It's about time.
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It doesn't look quite right to me, someone got a bit creative with the restoration.
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What about one that was sent back to Italy (from the US) for conversion? I'm unsure if the factory ever converted any Berlinetta's to Spyders. Does anyone know? The car I know of is in NY and quite nice.
Technically speaking, aren't the factory spiders themselves actually conversions? I've read numerous times over the years that the 122 factory spiders started out as coupe shells and were converted at the factory by Scaglietti. Of course there were other differences beyond the bodywork between the GTS/4 and the coupe/post factory conversions... but still.

Please correct me on that if I'm wrong.

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The other well known "converter" here in the states was Mike Sheehan. Blanked on his name the other day. Not sure if a Sheehan or a Straman is considered a "better conversion" across the board.
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The other well known "converter" here in the states was Mike Sheehan.
Which may also be described as work having been done by European Auto Sales (Costa Mesa, CA), his company at the time.
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Technically speaking, aren't the factory spiders themselves actually conversions? I've read numerous times over the years that the 122 factory spiders started out as coupe shells and were converted at the factory by Scaglietti. Of course there were other differences beyond the bodywork between the GTS/4 and the coupe/post factory conversions... but still.

Please correct me on that if I'm wrong.
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Spyder's were made at the factory as Spyder's from the start, NO coupes were made into Spyder's at the factory or Scaglietti other than maybe a pre production one.
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Spyder's were made at the factory as Spyder's from the start, NO coupes were made into Spyder's at the factory or Scaglietti other than maybe a pre production one.
And to be more specific, but hopefully not terribly inaccurate, my understanding is that factory didn't really make any of the vintage era production cars.
Bulk of the assembly and fabrication was "out-sourced" to coachbuilders like Scaglietti, Pininfarina, etc. while "the factory" only installed the running gear and perhaps some other mechanical components, but I could be wrong since I was never there to see all this in person.
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Spyder's were made at the factory as Spyder's from the start, NO coupes were made into Spyder's at the factory or Scaglietti other than maybe a pre production one.
Yes, sorry. I did not mean finished cars were cut into spiders by the factory. What I have heard/read/thought was that unassembled coupe body parts were cut/modified into spyders BEFORE being put onto chassis/frame.

So in other words, an unfitted coupe shell would get it's roof cut off and be modified into a spyder before it was assembled onto the chassis. Is that still wrong? They actually hammered out entirely different parts for the spyders from the get-go?
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