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1952 Ferrari 212 SN 0197EL

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  1. Christian.Fr

    Christian.Fr Two Time F1 World Champ

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    #1 Christian.Fr, Dec 16, 2005
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    1952
    Coupé Vignale
    quantities builded: 13
    Châssis n° 135 E, 147 E, 161 EL, 171 EL, 173 E, 175 EL, 179 EL, 197 EL,
    209 EL, 211 EL, 217 EL, 219 EL, 223 EL

    particularity #147 E rebuilded by SCAGLIETTI like a 250 GT Spider California

    production : 82 units
    36 by Vignale, 18 Pininfarina, 14 Ghia
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  2. Christian.Fr

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    #2 Christian.Fr, Dec 20, 2005
    someone interrested by this nice coupé Vignale?
     
  3. GTE

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    Why? Do you have it up for sale or anything?
     
  4. Christian.Fr

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    #4 Christian.Fr, Dec 20, 2005
    only for knowlage of people someone didn t know the car.
    thats all.
    if your are intereted you can see on barchetta tihs car is actually in auction
     
  5. dretceterini

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    #5 dretceterini, Dec 20, 2005
    I love the car but it is WAY beyond what I can afford
     
  6. Christian.Fr

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    #6 Christian.Fr, Dec 20, 2005
    well, for most people.
     
  7. Bertocchi

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    #7 Bertocchi, Dec 20, 2005
    Was this car once owned by Don Nelson? His had a 250 engine!
     
  8. wax

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    #8 wax, Dec 20, 2005
    Rep'd by these folks:
    http://www.gregorfisken.com/ShowCar.asp?ID=43
    ________

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

    1 - 212 Inter Stabilimenti Farina Berlinetta
    = 1 "Farina"

    23 - 212 Inter Vignale Coupé
    3 - 212 Inter Vignale Berlinetta
    4 - 212 Inter Vignale Cabriolet
    2 - 212 Europa Vignale Coupé
    1 - 212 Inter Vignale Spyder
    = 33 "Vignale"

    2 - 212 Inter Ghia-Aigle Coupé (S/N 0137EL designed by Micholetti)
    = 2 "Ghia-Aigle"

    14 - 212 Inter Ghia Coupé
    4 - 212 Inter Ghia Coupé 2+2
    = 18 "Ghia"

    1 - 212 Inter Berlinetta Tuboscocca
    = 1 "Tuboscocca"

    3 - 212 Inter Touring Berlinetta
    1 - 212 Inter Touring Barchetta
    = 4 "Touring"

    1 - 212 Inter Abbott Coupé (pix are not of a coupe, rather, a convertible, and said to be one of ugliest Ferrari Convertibles elsewhere)
    = 1 "Abbot"

    1 - 212 Inter PF Cabriolet
    1 - 212 Europa PF Coupé
    = 2 "PF"

    1 - 212 Inter Pinin Farina Cabriolet
    3 - 212 Europa Pinin Farina Coupé
    11 - 212 Inter Pinin Farina Coupé
    = 15 "Pinin Farina" (Taken together, 1 "Farina", 2 "PF", 15 "Pin Farina" = 18 [Pinin] Farina)

    77 = 212 Inter/Europa/America, not 82, as qv500.com states.
     
  9. Christian.Fr

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    #9 Christian.Fr, Dec 20, 2005
    Ferrari 212 Inter 1951-53
    Coupé Vignale
    23 ex
    Châssis n° 111 ES, 125 EL, 131 E, 139 E, 145 E, 157 EL, 163 EL, 181 EL, 203 EL, 221 EL, 225 EL, 231 EL, 239 EU, 241 EU, 243 EU, 251 EU, 257 EU, 267 EU, 271 EU, 273 EU, 285 EU, 287 EU, 289 EU
    125 EL rebuild in Spider VIGNALE
    131 E ,
    239 EU new sn 292 MM accident 1952
    251 EU Barquette TOURING by FANTUZZI
    273 EU modified in 225 S

    Coupé Ghia-Aigle
    1 ex
    Châssis n° 137 S

    Coupé Farina
    1 ex
    Châssis n° 229 EL

    1952
    Coupé Vignale
    13 ex
    Châssis n° 135 E, 147 E, 161 EL, 171 EL, 173 E, 175 EL, 179 EL, 197 EL, 209 EL, 211 EL, 217 EL, 219 EL, 223 EL
    147 E rebuilded by SCAGLIETTI in 250 GT Spider California

    Cabriolet Vignale
    4 ex
    Châssis n° 159 EL, 207 EL, 227 EL, 255 EU

    Coupé Ghia
    13 ex
    Châssis n° 149 E, 153 EL, 155 EL, 169 E, 183 EL, 185 EL, 187 EL, 189 EL, 193 EL, 199 EL, 201 EL, 205 EL, 213 EL

    Cabriolet Ghia
    2 ex
    Châssis n° 191 EL, 233 EL

    Coupé Touring
    4 ex
    Châssis n° 141 T, 143 E, 167 EL, 215 EL

    Coupé Farina
    1 ex
    Châssis n° 107 ES

    Cabriolet Abbott
    1 ex
    Châssis n° 165 EL
    Rebuilded in Barquette TOURING 1990
    Motor inside 212 Inter Châssis n° 247 EL

    Cabriolet Pinin-Farina
    1 exe
    Châssis n° 177 E

    Coupé Ghia-Aigle
    1 ex
    Châssis n° 151 S
    before was 195 Inter
     
  10. wax

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    #10 wax, Dec 20, 2005
    I'll compare notes later - here's what I was basing first post on, though:


    212 Inter Stabilimenti Farina Berlinetta
    0107ES
    1/1
    1 Farina

    212 Inter Vignale Coupé
    0111ES
    0131E
    0135E
    0147E - Scaglietti rebodied as California Spyder
    0157EL
    0161EL
    0163EL
    0173E
    0175E
    0187EL
    0197EL
    0217EL
    0219EL
    0221EL
    0231EL
    0237EU - may have later been restamped as '53 0352MM
    0243EU
    0257EU
    0267EU
    0271EU
    0285EU
    0287EU
    0289EU
    23/24

    212 Inter Vignale Berlinetta
    0125EL - '87 rebodied Spyder style
    0179EL
    0203EL
    3/27

    212 Inter Vignale Cabriolet
    0159EL
    0207EL
    0227EL
    0255EU
    4/31

    212 Europa Vignale Coupe
    0239EU - '53 traded for 0292MM - 212 Export Vignale Coupe - restamped 0239EU
    0251EU - '50's modified to convertible - '70's - Fantuzzi rebodied as Touring Barchetta
    2/33

    212 Inter Vignale Spyder
    0273EU
    1/34
    33 Vignale


    0137EL 212 Inter Ghia-Aigle Coupe - design by Micholetti
    0195EL 212 Inter Ghia-Aigle Coupe
    2/36
    2 Ghia Aigle

    212 Inter Ghia Coupé
    0139E
    0145E
    0149E
    0155EL
    0169EL
    0171EL
    0185EL
    0189EL
    0191E
    0205EL
    0213EL
    0225EL - had Chevy V-8 engine then engine from 0227EL installed.
    0229EL - formerly 0109S 195 Inter Ghia Coupe
    0233EL
    14/50

    212 Inter Ghia Coupe 2+2
    0153EL
    0193EL
    0199EL
    0201EL
    4/54
    18 Ghia

    212 Inter Berlinetta Tuboscocca
    0141T
    1/55
    1 Tuboscocca

    212 Inter Touring Berlinetta
    0143E
    0167EL
    0241EU
    3/58

    212 Inter Touring Barchetta
    0253EU
    1/59
    4 Touring

    212 Inter Abbott Coupe
    0165EL
    1/60
    1 Abbot

    212 Inter PF Cabriolet
    0177E
    1/61

    212 Europa PF Coupe
    0263EU
    1/62
    2 PF

    212 Inter Pinin Farina Cabriolet
    0235EU
    1/63

    212 Europa Pinin Farina Coupe
    0265EL
    0269EU
    0291EU
    3/66

    212 Inter Pinin Farina Coupe
    0245EL
    0247EL
    0249EL
    0259EU
    0261EU
    0275EU
    0277EU
    0279EU
    0281EU
    0283EU
    0297EU
    11/77
    14 Pinin Farina
     
  11. The Red Baron

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    #11 The Red Baron, Dec 24, 2005
    0137EL 212 Inter Ghia-Aigle Coupe - design by Micholetti
    0195EL 212 Inter Ghia-Aigle Coupe
    2/36
    2 Ghia Aigle


    WAX,
    With all due respect 212 sn0137EL is not an Inter but an Export. Same with sn0195EL. This has been discussed quite a few times before, in various forums.
    The car has 170hp, monza capped 120 litre fuel tank, 2480 wheel base and quite a few other identifying features that make it an export.
     
  12. wax

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    #12 wax, Dec 24, 2005
    With all due respect? Haaaaaaaahahahahaaaaaa

    I'm just interested in where the occasionally mentioned "82" total comes from - I came up with 77.

    Absent the 2 Ghia-Aigles, this total is now 75 - subject to revision/correction.
     
  13. Christian.Fr

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    #13 Christian.Fr, Dec 24, 2005
    Wax, no problem for me i said 82 you find 75/77, and so what ? numbers that all.


    Thanks Red Baron for your help and infos.
     
  14. Christian.Fr

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    #14 Christian.Fr, Dec 24, 2005
    Funny because this morning i received the Ferrari club magasine #6
    i writing what they have put in Ferrari cost list,
    212 quantities built are: 108 .

    212 export barchetta vignale v12 2562cc 170HP 0076E to 0182E built 11
    212 export berlinetta vignale v12 2562cc 170HP 0074E to 0190E built 5
    212 export barchetta touring v12 2562cc 170HP 078E to 0158E built 9
    212 inter (dif body) v12 2562cc 150HP 0107ES to 02149EL built 50
    212 export berlinetta Touring v12 2562cc 170 HP 0080E to 0112E built 3
    212 s tuboscossa V12 2562cc 180HP 0141T to 0170ET built 2
    212 europa v12 2562cc 160cv 0233EU to 0279EU built 28

    interesting no?
     
  15. judge4re

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    #15 judge4re, Dec 24, 2005
    Here is what Cavallino #149 (the copy on my desk) has:

    212 MM (0070) 1 made
    212 Inter Vignale (0111-0289) 36 made
    212 Inter Ghia et. al. (0107-0291) 42 made
    212 Export Touring (0078-0158) 10 made
    212 Export Vignale et. al. (0074-0190) 16 made
    212 F1 (102-110) 2 made

    212 E Montagna (0862) 1 made :D
     
  16. Christian.Fr

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    #16 Christian.Fr, Dec 24, 2005
    108 built, well it seems good.
     
  17. bobleb

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    #18 Marcel Massini, Dec 24, 2005
    Another genuine 212 Inter has lost its life because some idiot used it as donor car. The "Touring Barchetta" body looks absolutely horrible and makes no sense at all. So disappointing. People who do such things should go to jail.
    Marcel Massini
     
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    #19 Christian.Fr, Dec 24, 2005
    it s clear.
     
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    #20 bobleb, Dec 24, 2005
    That sounds pretty harsh to me.
     
  21. Marcel Massini

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    #21 Marcel Massini, Dec 24, 2005
    Not harsh at all. Destroying an authentic and genuine and original Ferrari should be considered a serious crime. Zero tolerance, it's the only way.

    Marcel Massini
     
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    #22 Wouter Melissen, Dec 24, 2005
    We can only hope that the buyer sets out to replace the Barchetta body with the original coupe body.
     
  23. Christian.Fr

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    #23 Christian.Fr, Dec 24, 2005
    poor cars...built, rebuilt, and rerebuilt... waou at least it s a Ferrari?

    Well, i prefer to be a conservator, like a collectionor
     
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    #24 bobleb, Dec 24, 2005
    You say "destroyed", I'd say "improved". Seems like a matter of opinion to me.
     
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    #25 bobleb, Dec 24, 2005
    The fact that the original body has been preserved is certainly of value. However, should I end up buying the car, I would not be the one to replace it. My ENJOYMENT of the car would largely be because of the open barchetta.
     
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