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| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 345 Registered: 8-2003 |
Well,since people don't really get any "real" driver training in drivers Ed. The only alternative is experience...and LOTS of it. A young guy who has a hot car,would really be doing himself,and the driving public,a big favor and look into some sort of intense driver training course. Had there been one when I was a teen(1970's) I would have definitely taken it. But,after driving for 30 years,a little racing,and one defensive driving course,I think I got the hang of it. I drive a Ferrari and a "Vette, and usually only drive a little bit over the posted limit,(unless I am out on the Highway and there isn't any other traffic.)Because,I'll pass this along to any young guys out there. I probably pay 1/10th of what you pay for insurance,on a Ferrari and a 'vette...ONLY because of a good driving record,AND,one of the few "perks" of getting "old" is lower insurance rates...PROVIDING that you have had a clean driving record for a LONG time! It's really worth it. If you want to speed and race,there are more and more tracks popping up all over the country where we can do that. When I was about 16('76) There was a guy who had a '67 GTO. He ALWAYS sped everywhere he went. We kept saying that he was "an accident waiting to happen". Well,one day,this genius was going WAY TOO FAST in a RESIDENTIAL area,sure as sh*t,he lost control,went off the road,and ran over a 4 year old boy on a big wheel. Yeah,real slick,speed racer.He really impressed alot of people with his speed and driving ability,didn't he. That little boy would be about 31 years old,now,maybe with some little kids of his own. Mr.GTO ruined many lives that day,including his own,JUST because he thought he was some hotshot driver. I get "challenged" CONSTANTLY both in the Ferrari,and the 'vette by some moron punk in a ricerocket or Trans Am,or something. I just say,"yeah,yeah,yeah,You win." You beat me. I'm not street racing and putting my driving PRIVELEGES in jeopardy just to satisfy some punk.I really ENJOY driving my Ferrari and Corvette and am not going to risk that,or anyones life just to prove some Bullsh*t. NO WAY. You really don't have to prove anything when you are driving a Ferrari !  | ||
| Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
Member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 352 Registered: 5-2002 |
I guess that is the way it is... Back then there were muscle cars, now there are Civics, Integras, Eclipses, etc. with NO2 racing down the streets abd 4 wheel drifting through every turn all the while shooting 2 foot long blue flames out of their exhaust pipes. Maybe there is not an immediate solution? | ||
| Lou B (Toby91)
Member Username: Toby91 Post Number: 316 Registered: 4-2001 |
>>He tells me about how when he gets a car he is going to be "going 90 down Main Street." Where do they get this? I am not sure. << Don't you think action films like Bullett to Fast and the Furious have something to do with it? Virtually all action TV or films have high speed street action which most if not all of us enjoy watching. Nothing new here. I recall regularly pushing my Dad's new '56 Roadmaster to 120 and street racing on what I now know were crappy tires. | ||
| Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
Member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 350 Registered: 5-2002 |
There is a real mentality problem with a lot of young (possibly old) drivers here in the US. I would say that a healthy percentage (30% perhaps?) of the people in my school have some sort of ticket at this point. They are all 18 and under as well. This is pretty sad. People just think that it is "cool" to drive fast- everywhere. Residential areas, Main Street, etc. I guess it just does not occur to them that people's lives are at risk when they drive as such - not to mention they risk losing their license. Even my brother who is 14 says that I drive like a woman (or whatever) because I only go about 5-10 over the limit on roads without much traffic. He tells me about how when he gets a car he is going to be "going 90 down Main Street." Where do they get this? I am not sure. Most of the problems I see with young people driving are technical. It amazes me how the #1 kid in my class just randomly smashes the gas/brake or swerves for no apparent reason. I'm not really sure that I know how we can change this. In Ohio we are required to take 24 hours of driver's education with 8 hours of additional driving. These classes were jammed into 2 weeks (most schools do 1 week) and consisted of mainly watched boring movies from the 1970's/1980's. I'm not sure how much I really learned there except random technicalities of driving law. While driving the instructor may say some things to you, but for the most part they are just college students/old people (the instructors) who want the extra money. Many even cut the hours of the sessions. No one will ever fail driver's ed, because it is bad publicity. Since there are no standards, the Mom whose kid failed driver's ed would just tell other parents to keep their kids away from the place. There definitely are problems, the key is to figure out how to solve them. I definitely agree with strict penalties on drunk driving - it is surprising that no governor has taken up this issue. How would someone argue against making the penalties more strict? Testing the older drivers would also help, but I really do not see a clear-cut solution. | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 341 Registered: 8-2003 |
We have a cable access program here in the Chicago area called,"Motorsports Unlimited",which is hosted by a really great guy named,Bill Wildt.This show covers ALL motorsport,and Bill is VERY passionate about motorsport. He used to race motorcycles and cars. Anyway,last weeks show was about a program which is based out of Las Vegas called,"Drivers Edge". It actually teaches young drivers "HOW" to drive an automobile,properly,and defensively,without being "agressive". The programs founder,(forgot his name, but he's a youngish 30 something,and also races cars. As well as his other instructors-all racecar drivers by "trade".)The programs founder says that here in America,we are NOT taught how to drive an automobile in Drivers Ed.,but we are simply taught how to pass a test. And,if you think about it,he's right. He also goes on to tell about the extensive driver TRAINING in Europe. And THATS what we need to do here in the U.S. I agree with him. Kids are simply taught how to pass a drivers test.Thats it. Not how to properly come out of a skid,or other defensive driving moves. We NEED to have programs like "Drivers Edge" taught in our schools. Kids at 16 are not as experienced in life,driving,common sense. They THINK that they are "invincible" and that "it will never happen to me" attitude. And,the problem with that kind of thinking is that it's usually wrong,and,someone ELSE usually gets hurt,too,because of their f*ck-up. We need to have Drivers TRAINING in school drivers ed programs. Not just a simple written test,and a few 1/2 hours of driving around the neighborhood learning how to parallel park! | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 899 Registered: 2-2003 |
Ok, so if you find a population/automobile density in the UK that compares to some of our major cities where we have these statistics, how do they compare? Its 18 and 18 there. If I can spare a moment to research, I will try and find out. Or, how about Germany where its legal to drink at 16 (with exceptions)? I've seen plenty of 8-14 year olds as drunk as their brothers and sisters when heading to a football game!! Sunny | ||
| casey slattery (Mondialcab)
New member Username: Mondialcab Post Number: 16 Registered: 9-2003 |
ok, but would raising the age to 18 change much? This would probably just lead to 16 and 17 year olds driving without a license. I know if I was going to turn 16 and the law just change to raise the age to 18 I would be very upset to say the least. I know I would not hesitate to drive just to "stick it to the man." This means teenages would be driving without ANY kind of basic training or drivers ed. + 18 is much closer to the drinking age. At 18 I was much more likely to be drinking than at 16. Nothing could be as bad as a new driver and a drunk driver! BTW, just to be clear, I dont drink & drive. | ||
| Amir (Amir)
Junior Member Username: Amir Post Number: 107 Registered: 2-2003 |
You are wrong. Many studies exist to prove this. Everyone's personal experience is different, but the overall statistics is what we have to go by. The only thing that new drivers have on their side is a fresh memory of the rules (if they were actually studied) and quicker reflexes in some cases (quickly overcome by a demographic that is very easy to distract). This is why insurance is so high for me. | ||
| casey slattery (Mondialcab)
New member Username: Mondialcab Post Number: 14 Registered: 9-2003 |
I agree that many people dont understand how important the right to drive is, but I disagree that raising the driving age to 18 is a possible solution. I dont know of any people my age who go nuts when they get their license. I remember being more worried than excited when I got mine! I think it seems to be older people who have had their license for a while and feel like their experience makes them infallible that cause most accidents. This is when people do stupid things like drive drunk, decide not to buckle up,ect. When someone asks about my ferrari the first thing they say is "how fast have you driven it." Yes, I do enjoy to sport my car, but I am always aware of my mortality and I respect the rules of the road as well as other drivers. I think most kids I know are the same way (at least when their with me). | ||
| Amir (Amir)
Junior Member Username: Amir Post Number: 105 Registered: 2-2003 |
Also, sidewalks in most residential and corporate areas are deserted. Bumping into people is only a concern in places like Manhattan or the central business and shopping districts in most smaller cities. If you can bypass these, hitting people is not really a concern. I know postal workers are using these in a few pilot programs. As far as styling goes, the bland colors are terrible. It's so minimalist that there isn't much that can be done in terms of part shapes and panels. It's a platform between two slim wheels with a mast to bring the control handles to chest-height. If you read about the engineering behind it, and its capabilities, it begins to look beautiful because of the innovation in it. I think a black one would look cool. | ||
| Amir (Amir)
Junior Member Username: Amir Post Number: 104 Registered: 2-2003 |
At the state level, the Segway has been legalized for sidewalk use. But each city can pass laws to override that, although so far as I know, none have. I also wondered if it was safe to have Segways zipping around on sidewalks. It has been engineered to be extremely safe. One of Dean Kamen's favourite demos is to ride straight into people at full speed. It is no worse than been hit by a person walking into you at full speed. I believe Segway's biggest problem has been overcoming all the public misconceptions about it. I agree on the styling. But for the benefits and utility that it provides, I think it's worth the sacrifice on the style points. I would get one, but I worry about leaving it outside classes. There's enough electrical engineers on campus who could bypass the 64-bit encrypted key. | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 898 Registered: 2-2003 |
Driving age to 18? Jeez, some European countries do that and their schools are better to boot. Arnold will set California straight. Hahaha, right! | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 897 Registered: 2-2003 |
Amir, I believe in Los Angeles as in San Francisco, its currently illegal to drive it on the sidewalks. When I move to San Diego, having a segway will not be possible to the amount of travel I will doing. Besides, it doesn't have the style I'm after Sunny | ||
| Lou B (Toby91)
Member Username: Toby91 Post Number: 309 Registered: 4-2001 |
Do you really think its a good idea to have a bunch of Segways tooling down the sidewalks at 10 mph or so dodging childen and old people. The sidwalks were invented as a safe place to walk without being trampled by horses or motor vehicles. Its amazing to me that they have permission to do this in many states that won't allow bicycles on sidewalks. | ||
| Amir (Amir)
Junior Member Username: Amir Post Number: 103 Registered: 2-2003 |
Sunny, the Segway is for use on sidewalks. It is not designed to do battle with motor vehicles. You ride it on the curb. People who are using it are very happy with it, and saving a ton of money too, although that's probably not of as much concern on this board. It's good for the environment, reduces stress, and can shorten your commute time in many cases (as long as you commute 10 miles or less each way, and you don't go on highways). | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Intermediate Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 1015 Registered: 8-2001 |
Problem with that law (which I would support) is that we would have an inordinate amount of high school seniors in jail having to retake their senior year of school. Course the solution of this problem might be to raise the driving age to 18. Jon | ||
| Lou B (Toby91)
Member Username: Toby91 Post Number: 308 Registered: 4-2001 |
What do you guys think of a Sweden type law where a DUI convection is 1 year in jail, period, full stop, no excuses. I've done a lot of business and entertaining there and there always was a designated driver or people taking taxis home and getting their cars the next day. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Intermediate Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 1008 Registered: 8-2001 |
You all are right it OUGHT to be a privledge but eveyone in this country treats it as a right. How can it be a privledge to drive when it costs $20 for a license and a 90 year old blind man could pass the driving portion of the test in any state. I came here from Germany when I was still rather young (9 years old). I can remember my mother failing her driving test in Germany several times. She had to take a 3 hour written exam in GERMAN, not English, Hispanic, Japanese or any other language, but German since she would be driving in Germany. On top of that she had to drive a car with an instructor, usually a police officer for another 2 to 3 hours in various traffic conditions. She had to do 45 minutes driving in city traffic, 45 minutes driving on the autobahn, and lastly in Northern Germany where it snows 5 months out of the year she had to drive on a skidpad that was wetted down and very slippery. Lastly she had spend what would now be the equivlent of $800 for a license. That my friend's is a privledge! When I took my driving test for the first time here in the states I laughed my ass all the way home afterwards and told my mother about it. No parrallel parking, which I practiced for two months. We had to drive the car through some cones at 60 mph without hitting the brakes, something I could have done in a 18 wheel rig at 80mph and some other driving maneuvers that a 7 year old could master in 5 minutes. As for drunks, take their car (if they own it) and throw em in jail. In some European countries they take you license on the first offense (Sweden used to do this). Why not? If I run around with a loaded gun and shoot at people, even though I might miss everyone and not hit a single soul with a bullet I am going to jail for attempted murder/manslaughter for quite some time. A drunk driving a car should be tried for attempeted murder plain and simple. When I met my wife she lived in Oklahoma. She was quite a party girl and often drove home a bit looped. When I asked her about DUI she said "..oh around here you just tell the cop the truth and he will most times let you go.." I thought WTF that's crazy. Driving should be a privledge but with a $20 license fee and a test any monkey could pass, let alone a 16 year old it's NOT A PRIVLEDGE! Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 896 Registered: 2-2003 |
A segway, around people that drive like this and treat pedestrians with even less respect? Ha! No thanks. I like my curb weight just fine ;) Sunny | ||
| Amir (Amir)
Junior Member Username: Amir Post Number: 102 Registered: 2-2003 |
You sound like the perfect candidate for a Segway. Check out www.bookofseg.com If you are interested in reading about Dean Kamen, the extraordinary person behind the company, I recommend a book called Code Name Ginger. | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 895 Registered: 2-2003 |
Frank, your right in my book. Its a privilage. There is a reason we're called $10 dollar drivers by Europeans. I was nearly sideswiped by a Lincoln Navigator Monday night. I was doing 75mph in the #3 lane of 5. Less than 6 other cars in 1500ft in front or behind and they were in #4 and #5. It was night and I have Sylvania Xtra vision bulbs in already sufficient lenses. They wanted to make a lane change from #1, and were ahead of me. Signalled, waited, moved. Signalled, waited, for a second and then started to move over. I stomped the throttle, juked right and gave a quick toot on the horn. The driver was in their mid-late 30's. Yesterday night leaving work, double left turn lane, very ratty pickup truck with a cab on the back bed, we both coast at less than 10mph and make our lefts but they continue to turn left into my lane, not just cutting the turn too short. I dive on the brakes my car can enter the sidewalk and honk the horn. I honk the horn and the driver in their early 40's stares ahead, totally unaware. Today, leaving work to go to lunch, I'm prepping to turn out of the driveway at work. Its a steep driveway enough for me to scrape, so I'm sticking out as most of you are doing, inching forward to get a clear view. I see a US Postal Office mail truck coming several hundred feet away at about 30mph and slowing down. It slows down more, and stops, in front of me. As I stare bewildered for a few seconds, the driver comes around the back completely oblivious, and starts to take a few steps towards the mailboxes. My windows happen to be down. I yell out, "Excuse me, am I ••••••• invisible?" Blank stare in response, they stop, pivot around, get back in, and move up a car length so I can leave and than walk again towards the mailboxes. Shortly after, three people side by side going 30mph in a 35mph on a street that averages 45mph from 6am through 6pm. Its a known speed trap if you exceed 45mph. The street is 3 lanes in my direction, two in the other, each wider than a freeway lane. The three cars are subconsiously pacing each other. Lots of fun. A/C on at this point, windows up, enjoying the silence, a silver 325i driven by some 20-something with windows down revs hard on me to try and get my attention. I don't even look over. On the way back to work from finally having lunch, I'm coming up to a 4 way stop sign in a residential area, I come to a complete stop and flip on my left signal. A CL500/600 driven by a 30-something taps the brake (its down hill mind you) barely making the nose wiggle, and blows the stop sign, looking at me just realizing I was there. So I give them the finger. They do a double take, with an arrogant look of, "What the •••• was their problem, did that •••••• just flip me off?" on their face. I decide to go straight instead of follow the trouble waiting for me to the left. Before I get into work, a raised glistening red F350 pulls out from a driveway on the left from 7-11 and into my lane, not even realizing I was there, and I swerve hard to the right and just want to get back to work at this point, my parking spot waiting for me about 2500ft away. In all of these cases I left out (or tried to) race, gender, and social status so I can avoid stereotyping people and let you figure out. I have these situations every.. single.. day. I work 10am to 7pm JUST so I can avoid peak traffic hours, where this behavior gets worse, and I begin getting angry. I live under 5 miles from the office, but you can see what can happen in this short a distance... Sunny | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2835 Registered: 1-2002 |
Have to agree with Randall here. Drunk driving penalties in Europe are MUCH more harsh than here. | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 678 Registered: 1-2003 |
"Despite increasing penalties, drunk driving rates have not decreased much" The penalties are still a joke. And as long as penalties are a joke things don't change. You can look at countries that hammer criminals, crime is lower. The simple fact is most Americans are afraid of getting punished for committing a crime, so we (American citizens) choose to keep the punishments light. The "what if" arguement always comes up; ie. "what if I slip up one night and drink one too many and get pulled over? I don't want to get punished". | ||
| Amir (Amir)
Junior Member Username: Amir Post Number: 94 Registered: 2-2003 |
Just wanted to point out that everyone is a human being first and foremost. This accident would not be any less tragic and their loss would not be any less if the family were here illegally. My question was meant to provoke a "What the fu*k does that have anything to do with it" reaction, which applies equally to many other arguments that reveal F-chatters' attitudes towards immigrants (legal or not--and 90% of the time you don't know). OK, about your recommendations for laws and more laws, violators by definition break the law. So the laws might help in punishment, but not in prevention, which is where we need to focus our efforts. I don't think deterrents work simply because people are not considering them when they are under the influence. Same for the incompetent. Despite increasing penalties, drunk driving rates have not decreased much after the initial improvements in fatality rates. Besides real-time technology that will safely disable the car if the driver is not exhibiting alert and capable control, I don't see any solutions. It must also be asked, why wasn't a construction truck/trailer positioned to shield the workers. Many times this helps avert a serious tragedy like this one. | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 304 Registered: 8-2003 |
Yes,Amir. She was a U.S.born citizen. Married with the 7 kids. She just worked "part time" for the construction company,(for some extra money,I suppose) And,I don't know about everywhere else in the country. But,here in Illinois,we have "Road construction Speed Zones." Clearly marked,and say that "Fines Double in Construction Zones". This was made into effect after ANOTHER road construction crew member was killed-same way-drunk driver speeding in a work zone-last year. And,yeah,Rich. I kind of got to agree with you,a little,about the law of averages prevailing,and,I personally,have been driving for 30 years. Used to do a little racing. Took a defensive driving course AND racetrack driver training,and I STILL was hit,not once,not twice,but 3 times by "the other guy"...not my fault. 1st.time,hit by a bus while I was on a motorcycle.-(I used to race motorcycles)-but,he blew the light and T-boned me. 2nd. time,was run off the road to avoid an either drunk driver,or he fell asleep at the wheel. Drifted into my lane,I "floored it" to avoid the imminent "Head-on" collision,but my car spun sideways,on the "soft" shoulder, into a pole. 3rd.time. Sitting in my car at a red,left arrow with my then 3 year old son. The Forward moving traffic still had a green light. A guy in a work van slammed into the rear of our car-we didn't see it coming. He was on Medication that made him "Drowsy",and fell asleep at the wheel!Those are just MY incidents. None my fault. Tried to be as defensive as possible. But,some can't be avoided. Could tell you about DOZENS more that I DID avoid,especially on the bike! But,there's GOT TO BE A WAY to KEEP people convicted of severe traffic violations from getting behind the wheel of a car. Also,repeat offenders,drunk drivers.Uninsured motorists.Unlicensed drivers.ETC...Probably neither you or I expect this to happen. I'll bet that she didn't either,when she told her family that she loved them,would see them later,and left for work. I hope that, that scumbag gets life in prison,so that he can think about what he did for the rest of his life. On the news,today,a "family spokesman" said;" I wish that that guy could have been here to see the kids when we had to tell them that their mother was killed today by a drunk driver". Yeah. Really F*cking nice. How about all the old guys ,all the time, who get "confused" and hit the gas instead of the brake,and take out some young people in the process? Driving NEEDS to be more regulated. And,if it's too difficult,take the bus. | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 676 Registered: 1-2003 |
Here's a simple way to curb drunk driving some: Impound and auction off the car that the drunk was driving, regardless of ownership unless the vehicle was stolen. Also impound and auction all other vehicles registered to that person. This would be in addition to fines/jailtime and license suspension. | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 675 Registered: 1-2003 |
The simple answer is no one wants to have harsh punishments for drunk drivers. If someone mentions the idea of slamming people on their first offense, immediately people stand up and say "Isn't that a little extreme?" It isn't our governments fault, it's the fault of the citizens. | ||
| rich stephens (Dino2400)
Member Username: Dino2400 Post Number: 610 Registered: 10-2001 |
A terrible event in Chicago, agreed. But most people do a fine job of driving. I must have encountred millions of cars in my life until one turned in front of me and I couldn't fully stop and we had some property damage for her insurance company to pay for. 18 years, god knows how many hundreds of thousands of miles and just one incident. No one I personally know has been involved in any kind of car accident that required hospitalization or funeralization. Things can get better, driver's training can get better, testing harder...and I wouldn't mind seeing all those things. I don't have any ideas on how to keep former drunk drivers from getting behind the wheel again though (even without a license). Wish I did, but I don't. | ||
| Amir (Amir)
Junior Member Username: Amir Post Number: 87 Registered: 2-2003 |
Was the woman here illegally? Are the children US citizens? | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 300 Registered: 8-2003 |
See alot of posts regarding lousy drivers,and what can be done about them. Apparently,not much. Our Government sees every single driver as more,"tax dollars". Plain and simple. And,your safety,or your family's safety are just secondary.We have very simple,VERY BASIC "Drivers Education" classes. But,from what I've read,nothing compared to the drivers training that they teach in Europe. In the U.S. Anybody can get a license when they turn 16. Regardless of how well they can actually drive. As long as they pass the "Bare Minimum" of points,then "voila!" a Drivers License! Our drivers training needs to be MUCH more involved,more difficult,so that only a truly good driver will pass. You wouldn't want a Doctor,who just barely skated through his exams,performing surgery on you,would you? Driving is a VERY serious PRIVELEGE. It is NOT a God given right,SIMPLY because you turn 16 years of age! Right? Should it be? And what about illegal immigrants who come over here. Do not go through the proper channels and testing, and drive a car,(without Insurance) anyway? Do you want them plowing into you or your loved ones? Then "taking off" and not being responsible for their actions. What about The very young,who lack experience. The very old,who lack quick reaction time. Or,people with certain illnesses that could cause them to faint,or pass out while driving? Do they have the "right" to drive? The "right" to put you or your family in danger,every time they want to "exercise their 'right' to drive?" What about your "right" to be protected from being hurt or killed by one of these people? The 5'2" woman trying to operate a huge SUV,while chatting on the phone,and sreaming at her kids,who have the DVD player blasting? Yeah,it's her "right" to do that,isn't it. What about YOUR right to not being hit by her because she's got too much going on,and the vehicle is WAY TOO BIG for her to SAFELY handle. Lastly. I made a post on one of these threads, that someone else started,about Immigrants getting licenses in America,without a problem. And,I mentioned "Driving is a privelege,Not a right".(ask any cop,judge,lawmaker?,I bet thats what they'd say)And some guy posted back,something like "HaHahaha I'm on the floor right now laughing my ass off." Well,what would he say about this. Yesterday,in the Chicago area. A young woman,late 30's I believe. Who was working in a posted road construction zone as a flagger. Was ran over AND killed by some moron,who was driving drunk,(3:30 in the afternoon). She was the mother of 7 kids-ages 9 to 19. This piece of garbage driver had 6 DUI arrests,4 convictions. 5 times convicted of "driving on a suspended license". Drivers License revoked twice. Tell those 7 kids that just lost their mother,that driving isn't a privelege,it's a "RIGHT!" Why,can't our Government keep convicted drivers out from behind the wheel of an automobile? Your basic"right"is to be protected from these scumbags. |