| Author | Message | ||
| Mfennell70 (Mfennell70)
Junior Member Username: Mfennell70 Post Number: 169 Registered: 7-2001 |
I know it's impossible to have perspective on this one, but at 33 I can barely remember any of the •••• that seemed soooo important way back in high school. You grow up, you find your way, you meet the people that *you* want to meet rather than whatever random clowns are your age and live near you. I got a 60 in a 35 (IIRC) when I was 18. Dad was pissed. <shrug> Now he pays me back by scaring me in the Lotus. PS: OTOH, if you were *my* son, it would be Civic DX automatic for you buddy.  | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1660 Registered: 12-2001 |
Hugh:As i think Mr. Ashcroft has proved, imminence is in the eye of the beholder. | ||
| Brian Saligman (Brisalig)
Junior Member Username: Brisalig Post Number: 181 Registered: 8-2002 |
I dont have anymore money right now, and my mom is the only one to "bail" me out on this. The wraith of my mom has me more worried then paying for court fees, taking the DSC or paying it. I think I might be able to pull this off with out telling my mom. I just hate to make her upset or dissapoint her, plus a long lecture and some sort of punishment too Since its my first offense it can go off my record(thank goodnss), and I can be sqeaky clean driving teen I just didnt know that you were young....thats all. I thought you were makin fun of me cuz im a teen, and those are real concerns of mine....and mybe you thought that was funny. Thats all. No problem. Glad were totally okay. P.S. I want a friend with an NSX Regards, Brian | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1463 Registered: 1-2002 |
btw, bill, not sure if you're still looking for wheels for the gt2, but I came across this and thought to share:  -hubert | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1462 Registered: 1-2002 |
I guess I was hoping for the possbility of an exemption to their right to trespass based upon the distinction of trespassing for the sake of "surveillance" v. the apprehension of a imminent crime, but I'm sure the law disagrees with me. Actually, what i'd like clarity on, is the reach of the laws arm under the predication of "imminent." It's just that, and in my febile mind, I see the officer that's siting and waiting for the vicious speeder is, in some way, bypassing the classical modes of apprehension; if he catches you on the road, it's clearly judicious (in my mind), but if he's surveying the area (for hours at end), I'd love for there to exist a law that defines that act as improper surveillance, when conducted on private property, as it pertains to moving violations at large. | ||
| Jaime T. Ferraris are sex on wheels (Chevarri)
Junior Member Username: Chevarri Post Number: 186 Registered: 1-2003 |
"Jamie T, I am not sure if that was directed at me...in an attempt to make fun of me...or if you are serious. This really was a huge thing in my life. Please dont make a joke of it." Joke? No way Brian, Im in the same boat as you! I have to go through the same process as you do. I was being serious, and just wanted to share my experience the same night yours happened. Sorry if you took it the wrong way, I had no intentions of making fun. Out of curiousity, why did you think I was making fun of you? | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1658 Registered: 12-2001 |
I would think they would have the right to trespass in instances where the threat of an imminent crime makes their presence on private property a necessary part of their duties, Hugh... | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1461 Registered: 1-2002 |
I have a query re: speed traps. Is there no law prohibiting the use of private property for cops to hide on, and create a speed trap; i.e, theres a hill that leads from my home, to the freeway, the local PD routinely hang out in the parking lot of a business at the base of the hill, and in the driveway of an townhome complex in the middle of the gradient. I know that if they're on the sidewalk, it's city property, but their rear wheels are on private property; isn't there a law prohibiting the use of private property for a "steak-out" of sorts? | ||
| Brian Saligman (Brisalig)
Junior Member Username: Brisalig Post Number: 180 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jamie T, I am not sure if that was directed at me...in an attempt to make fun of me...or if you are serious. This really was a huge thing in my life. Please dont make a joke of it. Thanks for being there to help me through it all! DL, I was not drinking, nor do I drink. Its stupid, and a waste of time and money. Id rather buy gas. I have just as much, if not more fun sober with my friends. Not to say that some of my friends dont drink...but I dont. I still dont understand...do you dislike me? THANKS SOOO MUCH GUYS. I REALLY NEEDED YOUR HELP, AND YOU WERE THERE FOR ME. I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT THIS WONT HAPPEN AGAIN. I AM GONNA BE CAREFUL EVERYTIME I STEP ON THE CLUTCH TO START THE ENGINE. BE SAFE EVERYONE, AS I WILL TO0. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1657 Registered: 12-2001 |
There is also a difference between getting a ticket negotiated to avoid points while still paying a fine and getting a ticket "fixed" (ie dropped, officer purposely doesn't show up for hearing, bribe, etc.) Your dad shouldn't confuse your taking an appropriate licking from the law with exposing yourself to the full wrath of a local judge; you won't necessarily learn the lesson from being temporarily banned from driving (if that's applicable in your state)for a minor speeding infraction. At the same time, its not just about this ticket, as i think i indicated to you in my earlier post, but a mindset about street driving that will be with you everytime you get behind the wheel. That's something you can only teach yourself, with guidance from others. | ||
| Jerry Slagle (Slag_328gts)
New member Username: Slag_328gts Post Number: 27 Registered: 9-2003 |
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| DL (Darth550)
Member Username: Darth550 Post Number: 374 Registered: 7-2003 |
Brian, For the record, I am in no way assuming that you were drinking. I hope you were not. However, I assume you have heard of M.A.D.D. http://www.madd.org/home/ One night, two of my best friends friends were on their way home from a Van Halen concert in Los Angeles. Seth and Dave. They were tired and decided to pull over and stop on the side of the freeway, turn on their hazards, and take a nap. A drunk driver zeroed in on their flashers and hit the car. Due to the fire, they had to be identified by their dental records!! Seth's mother is the founder of M.A.D.D. I'm not trying to create alot of drama here by posting this story but suffice to say that I am not making fun of you. On the contrary. Just be careful and don't do anything stupid when others are involved. Maybe you and your mother can get your father to change his stance and not force you to tarinsh your record if at all avoidable. Show him this thread. He should realize that you have beaten yourself up enough. Regards, DL | ||
| Jaime T. Ferraris are sex on wheels (Chevarri)
Junior Member Username: Chevarri Post Number: 185 Registered: 1-2003 |
Man, this happened to me last night(Sat)too  I asked my freind if I could drive his NSX, he was gracious enough to say sure. It was fantastic, first exp driving a NSX, and first MR exp as well. Ill leave out all the details, but I was turing it around from some neat curves(which I was expremely pleased with, amazing balance) Im not sure if he noticed, but I had a smile the enitre time, until later that is. I opened it up one more time(by the way was he with me the entire time) and I passed a cop, and I didnt see him. I got pulled over and I FELT SO BAD THAT WHAT JUST HAPPENED, still do The fact that I got pulled over made me feel like "S", and then the fact the that I got a ticket while driving his car made me feel like complete "S". Ticket said I was going 20+ in a 45, Im so glad he didnt have a radar. I have to go to court and either pay the fine, or take another long DSC. I dont have anymore money right now, and my mom is the only one to "bail" me out on this. The wraith of my mom has me more worried then paying for court fees, taking the DSC or paying it. I think I might be able to pull this off with out telling my mom. I just hate to make her upset or dissapoint her, plus a long lecture and some sort of punishment too Since its my first offense it can go off my record(thank goodnss), and I can be sqeaky clean driving teen Whats ironic is that alot of my friends have a speeding ticket, and I didnt until last night because I drive pretty slow. Some of them would make fun of me because how slow I drive, but Id tell them at least I dont have a speeding ticket! I cant use that anymore now I still feel bad. By the way Im 19 | ||
| Ed Christophersen (Dr_c)
Junior Member Username: Dr_c Post Number: 77 Registered: 12-2002 |
Brian: You're getting advice from survivors, from a lot of people who also love to drive fast but who learned to cool it. At my high school graduation, there were 7 empty chairs with a white cloth and a rose on each for students who died in automobile accidents during their senior year. I knew all of them. Sounds like you have been fortunate so far, like we were. Now, if you curtail your driving a bit, and stay away from driving fast when you are upset, you can avoid being killed or killing someone else. You have to live for the ticket to make any difference. Impaired driving, whether from drugs, alcohol, or signficant emotional stress, is extremely dangerous. We're not making fun of you (at least I'm not). We know from experience how dangerous driving can be. | ||
| Brian Saligman (Brisalig)
Junior Member Username: Brisalig Post Number: 179 Registered: 8-2002 |
DL, i hope your not makin fun of me. I have to pay my own insurance...its bad enough already. I actually just got off th phone with my dad, hes dissapointed....which hurts sooo much more than being angry. He told me i have to go to court, and pay the ticket. I cant get it fixed.... I learned sooo much this weekend. | ||
| Chris Horner (Cmhorner17)
Member Username: Cmhorner17 Post Number: 311 Registered: 4-2002 |
LOL DL | ||
| DL (Darth550)
Member Username: Darth550 Post Number: 372 Registered: 7-2003 |
CONGRATS!! You have finally come to the best possible (reality based) conclusion. Hire the legal team and buy your way out of it. You will make a fine president/pro athlete/CEO some day! DL | ||
| Brian Saligman (Brisalig)
Junior Member Username: Brisalig Post Number: 178 Registered: 8-2002 |
there is no way im going to court. I am having a lawyer take care of the ticket...luckilly I have a few friends whose parents are lawyers. I just have to pay some legal fees...thats it. My mom understands..and she knows I learned my lesson, and that Im gonna beat myself up enough about it. That is why shes lettin me take care of it insted of gettin the points...and going to court...ect ect. | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Member Username: Wax Post Number: 413 Registered: 7-2003 |
Brian, someday you'll look back on this and laugh. Trust me, you'll be needing a laugh when that day comes. | ||
| Ed Christophersen (Dr_c)
Junior Member Username: Dr_c Post Number: 76 Registered: 12-2002 |
Brian: When you added the details that last night was one of the worst of your life, it changes things a little. When you are having a bad night, don't ever take chances with your driving. Forget the ticket, that's a good way to get killed. Is this a lecture? You bet it is. Don't take chances when you are upset. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1656 Registered: 12-2001 |
First, before you plead guilty, check the law. A speed for a young driver may cause a license suspension. If that is the case, get a lawyer to negotiate something that involves only a fine, not points. Second, you are just starting on your driving career; it will be full of opportunities to speed and get caught. When i started driving, circa 1970, radar was rare and attitudes were entirely different. You might reflect on whether its worth it to risk your license (and possibly more) by speeding on the street:- before you dismiss what i am saying as lecturing from an old man, consider the possibilities; there are speed traps in more and more places where the posted speed is far lower than what's probably a reasonable speed. Every time you drive in one of those places, you will feel the need to go over, and thus risk your license. The cops know this, and that's why they use such zones as bait. Not fair, but true. If the posted (low speed) zone is reasonable, its there because you are probably in a congested area. You are probably not reasonable to be speeding in such areas, Period. Highways, which offer more high speed opportunities, are rife with cops. They are also usually pretty boring to drive. Why bother risking your license for that? What's left? Remote roads in unpopulated areas without traffic. If you have a clear line of sight, these are your best places, right? Short of that (and nothing is more frustrating than getting to one of these only to find alot of unexpected or slow traffic), that leaves the racing track or special events where speeding is permitted. Again, not a lecture, just logic. There are few places today where you can get away with speeding. Given the long driving career in front of you, you might want to consider how you approach street driving now, since you will inevitably lose the game of cat and mouse with the constabulary. (You don't get "anti-points" for speeding and not getting caught). Every time i put it down, i ask myself whether i will consider it worth it to lose my license for that particular run. You will find very few runs worth taking in that light. Think about it, for what its worth... | ||
| DL (Darth550)
Member Username: Darth550 Post Number: 371 Registered: 7-2003 |
Brian, Although you may think that was the worst night of your life, Wait until your broker calls you one day and tells you that they are going to PUT a block to you that is 8 dollars out of the money AND give you exactly 5 seconds to decide whether to cover or give up the Coca-Cola stock your grandfather left you...just after your second wife hangs up the phone telling you she has decided to remodel the kitchen!!! This one ain't so bad buddy! DL | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 3432 Registered: 6-2001 |
You dont have to tell them about it if you dont want. You could just plead guilty and send in a check for the amount. You could also plead not guilty, request a supporting depostiion and hope they drop the ball and u can get off on a technicality, OR you could just plead not guilty and at your court date they will most likely plea bargin it down to a no points violation, which is what you want since points on your license would raiseyour insurance premiums for a few years IF your company finds out, which they dont always do. | ||
| Brian Saligman (Brisalig)
Junior Member Username: Brisalig Post Number: 176 Registered: 8-2002 |
Lou, I am sorry you feel that way. You were a teenager once too. I really needed help last night, I really was having one of the worse nights of my life. Have you ever felt like soo much is wrong at one time...but you know itll all pass...its just for that amount of time, things are horrible. Multiply that by about 100, and that was almost the extent of my night. Brian | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Advanced Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 2649 Registered: 6-2001 |
Brian: Tell your Dad. Don't let your mother put you in debt. The next time you get a ticket (Don't tell me there isn't going to be a next ticket) your Dad will find out, and he'll be pissed at both you and your mom. That kind of grief you don't need. Art | ||
| Lou B (Toby91)
Member Username: Toby91 Post Number: 332 Registered: 4-2001 |
This thread sounds like an "Ask Beth" or other teenage help column. | ||
| Chris Horner (Cmhorner17)
Member Username: Cmhorner17 Post Number: 308 Registered: 4-2002 |
That's good to hear Brian | ||
| Brian Saligman (Brisalig)
Junior Member Username: Brisalig Post Number: 175 Registered: 8-2002 |
I just got off the phone with my mother. She was extremely cool about it. She said she would let me slide on this one, becuase of how I was doing in school, and she understands that I have a fast car...and out driving with friends. She was there once too. She is not gonna tell my father...(good thing) andif we can get it fixed, maybe she wont tell him at all. That was not as bad as it could have been. I really really learned my lesson...and from now on, im keepin the rpms down near 2k! | ||
| Brian Saligman (Brisalig)
Junior Member Username: Brisalig Post Number: 174 Registered: 8-2002 |
Okay, Im calling my mom right now. Ill let you guys know how it goes. I feel really sick to my stomach Dave, that was my girlfriend in the other thread. Ed, I do live in MO | ||
| Chris Horner (Cmhorner17)
Member Username: Cmhorner17 Post Number: 307 Registered: 4-2002 |
Honesty is the best policy here dude. Same thing - been there done that. I got a 26 over ticket and did NOT want to tell my parents (this was 3 months after I got a brand new car - ironically enough a Grand Am) I just sat my dad down, told him I was speeding, got busted big time and it was my first ticket. He looked at me, shrugged his shoulders and said "I got tickets when I was young too. You're the one that has to pay for it and the insurance if it goes up. Just learn your lesson from it." Everyone else here is right - don't try to weasel out of it, take it on the chin, and learn from it. Actually repeat that whole pattern in life and you'll be fine Good luck, keep us posted. | ||
| Ed Christophersen (Dr_c)
Junior Member Username: Dr_c Post Number: 74 Registered: 12-2002 |
Couple of things come to mind: - if you live in a state like KS and MO, you can plead it down, through an attorney, to a non-moving violation by paying twice the price. Then it should not impact the price of your car insurance. When my son graduated from college, because he had had two speeding tickets and two fender-benders (actually one on black ice that would have been a challenge for any driver), his insurance went from the discounted rate on our policy of $1400 yr, to a high risk policy of his own for $10,000 yr. Be very careful about letting points accumulate. Pay for small wrecks and pay down moving violations. - decide before you talk to them what an appropriate punishment should be. Realistically, it should be a period of time with no driving privileges. Besides, going a period of time without driving will be a consequence that you will remember. Neitzhe (spelling?): what doesn't kill me makes me stronger. I doubt that there is any person on this board who hasn't had a speeding ticket. How you handle it will build character! Actually, whenever you do drive that fast, at any age, you are agreeing to the consequences should you get caught. If you try to weasel your way out of it, or lie to your parents, you'll look like a bigger idiot than necessary. $.02 from someone who has been there and done that. | ||
| Dave White (Dwhite)
Junior Member Username: Dwhite Post Number: 145 Registered: 5-2003 |
You want to play, you're going to play. Happens to us all. At 16 are you going to lose your license for a time period? About this girlfriend, run as fast as you can, she is the jealous type as someone stated in your other thread. | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1396 Registered: 10-2001 |
Just pay the fine and get back to business. | ||
| Corey Feldman (Meatballs_4)
New member Username: Meatballs_4 Post Number: 8 Registered: 9-2003 |
Brian, i'm 21 and have probably been pulled over about 40 times already, it's amazing I still have my license lol. Just don't tell your parents, go to court and get the points pled down, pay the fine and thats it, no big deal. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Intermediate Member Username: Peters Post Number: 1579 Registered: 1-2003 |
Brian..Way to go...Now you gotta do the 'kid thing' in front of your parents. Tell them you got a ticket. At the same time, have a few items in hand that you can live without for a few weeks (Discman, etc)to give up as punishment (Never give your folks a chance to pick out the items!). Take your lumps.....It won't be your last ticket! | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 2045 Registered: 12-2002 |
Well, just tell her the truth... Although I wouldnt exaggerate teh not paying attention part any more than one sentence. Take whatever abuse they give you and accept it. Agree that it was your fault in all cases and apologize sincerely... | ||
| Brian Saligman (Brisalig)
Junior Member Username: Brisalig Post Number: 172 Registered: 8-2002 |
I have a V1, he was driving the other way with no radar on, I had the music up so loud that I never herd it go off when he zapped us with instant on. My friend was driving a Grand AM. I was down in 4th gear, not really pushin it. I am not sure why we were driving like that...really really stupid. AND, to make my night even worse...I am waiting for wes(my buddy) to come outside of someones house, and I get a call from another friend. He was somewhere with my ex and a whole group of guys...and some guy was in the background reading a note that I wrote to liz, and put on her car earlier that night, thanking her for going to lunch with me earlier that day. It was like a joke to them...so I called her, and left a bad voicemail. Now all bets are off...and Im gonnna hang out with whoever I want. She has no right to tell me who I can and cant spend time with. I dont think I could have had a worse night. So what do i say on the phone...mom, I made a big mistake last night with wes...we were screwing around driving to a party...and both got pulled over by the same cop. He wrote us both tickets. I really was not paying attention to the speedo..I had no idea how fast I was going, the only think I knew was that it was less than 120...cuz I was in 4th gear. I really was not paying attention to my stupid actions, I was trying to follow wes...(totally true) as he knew where the house was. Please make some edits to that.... Brian | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 682 Registered: 4-2003 |
What ever happened to your new V1? | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 2044 Registered: 12-2002 |
Brian, comming from another teenager (although with a clean record ) dont worry about it too much. Tell your parents the honest truth, and they will reward you with continuing their trust you. If you make up lies or excuses, your parents will figure it out and it just wouldnt be the wise or mature thing to do... Your parents probably have tickets of their own anyway | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Intermediate Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 1046 Registered: 12-2001 |
Brian, that sucks, sorry to hear it. Just tell your parents you got the ticket and take it on the chin. Man up, man. Seriously, this is not too bad of a ticket. Let's see, when I was sixteen I had to explain "racing on the highways, 120mph in a 55mph zone, why my BMW always needed new tires, wrecking my dad's new Jaguar." When I think about, your strictly an amateur. Trust me, that's a compliment and you should strive to stay that way. If you don't have a V1, buy one! | ||
| DL (Darth550)
Member Username: Darth550 Post Number: 370 Registered: 7-2003 |
Question 1. What was your friend driving? Question 2. Well, did it work? Did you impress one of your Ex's friends enough (by racing) to get a some? BLAME YOUR FATHER! HE should have gotten you a V1 with that car. Try that. DL | ||
| Jeff B. (Miltonian)
Member Username: Miltonian Post Number: 606 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hmmmm. A 16 year old in a 2004 Subaru WRX. The car that those stupid kids are driving like loonies in the TV commercial. What is likely to happen? Hmmmmm. I wonder??? Brian: I'm really sorry you got zapped, but I'd rather hear that you got a ticket than that you wrapped the thing around a tree. You're a smart kid, you'll learn from it, but you'll have to pay for it. Whatever you do, DON'T BLAME IT ON YOUR FRIEND. That's not what your folks will want to hear. YOU got nabbed because YOU were speeding, and YOU are ready to take your medicine. That's about the best you can do. Old fart's opinion. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 863 Registered: 10-2001 |
The joke answer is- Tell them you have some bad news,� you got your girlfriend pregnant. Then after the initial shock�. Tell them your just kidding but you did get a speeding ticket and relatively speaking "its not such a big deal". Just tell them that you got a speeding ticket. Try to explain what happened before you have to tell them how fast you were going. I got a few tickets as a kid. Good song came on the radio, or just not use to looking at the speedo all the time. Hopefully your parents will remember they had a learning curve also. Best ticket I ever got as a teen, my friend set off a pack of firecrackers in my back seat. Cop was right behind us. Pretty funny looking back now. | ||
| Brian Saligman (Brisalig)
Junior Member Username: Brisalig Post Number: 171 Registered: 8-2002 |
Guys, I got busted. I was going 27 over, in a 40 mph zone. I was doin 67 in a 40! I am in soo much trouble. I have not told my parents, they are outa town, what should I tell them?? If you were a parent what would you wanna hear...and if you are a parent, even better, what would u wanna hear from your 16 year old son? I was with a friend, and he was going faster. We both got ticketed. Please Help |