| Author | Message | |||
| Jim Muise (Writerguy)
Junior Member Username: Writerguy Post Number: 233 Registered: 9-2003 |
Gene pool? remember we were created and "selection" had nothing to do with it... I have a really good arguement on how by getting a really religious door knocker to agree that the bible is "Factual word of god' that you can use creation to prove god does not exist Makes their heads explode quite fun | |||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6688 Registered: 12-2000 |
Amen to that Robin.  | |||
| Robin Overcash (Robin)
Member Username: Robin Post Number: 292 Registered: 1-2003 |
Dang I'm gonna have to buy a Hummer just to fit all of those on the back! Thanks for the history lesson too Peter.. it's always interesting to see how modern interpretations differ from their origins. Every time I see one of the 'truth' fish eating the Darwin fish, I want to run the moron off the road. They need to be removed from the gene pool.. -R | |||
| PeterS (Peters)
Intermediate Member Username: Peters Post Number: 1627 Registered: 1-2003 |
I'm getting the Prozac Fish Emblem for my girlfriend! Tht site is pretty funny! | |||
| Steven Duke (Sduke)
New member Username: Sduke Post Number: 48 Registered: 3-2003 |
Here is a page with many others. Some are hysterical. http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/emblems.html | |||
| Jim Muise (Writerguy)
Junior Member Username: Writerguy Post Number: 212 Registered: 9-2003 |
I MUST order one of those Darwin humping ones I have noticed LOTS of the Fish on some of the vehicles driven by the worst offenders of road rules. Reminds me of my Dad and his brother "Father Joe" the priest. They were going to a hockey game together and my Dad said "Padre you drive like you know you have a pass to heaven, I'm not so sure so I'll Drive." | |||
| PeterS (Peters)
Intermediate Member Username: Peters Post Number: 1626 Registered: 1-2003 |
James...Here is your answer: For many pop-culture Christians, the "fish" decal on the back car bumper, or attached to a key chain or door is a symbol of their religion, and a feel-good statement about Jesus Christ. Early Christians used the fish as a recognition sign of their religion. It is also identified as the "Ichthus," an acronym from the Greek, "Lesous Christos Theou Uios Soter," or "Jesus Christ the Son of God, Saviour." Oxford English Dictionary (C.E.) defines "Ichthyic" as "of, pertaining to, or characteristic of fishes; the fish world in all its orders." But contemporary Jesus worshippers might be surprised, even outraged, to learn that one of their preeminent religious symbols antedated the Christian religion, and has its roots in pagan fertility awareness and sexuality. Barbara G. Walker writes in "The Woman's Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects," that the acronym pertaining to Jesus Christ was a "rationale invented after the fact... Christians simply copied this pagan symbol along with many others." Ichthys was the offspring son of the ancient Sea goddess Atargatis, and was known in various mythic systems as Tirgata, Aphrodite, Pelagia or Delphine. The word also meant "womb" and "dolphin" in some tongues, and representations of this appeared in the depiction of mermaids. The fish also a central element in other stories, including the Goddess of Ephesus (who has a fish amulet covering her genital region), as well as the tale of the fish that swallowed the penis of Osiris, and was also considered a symbol of the vulva of Isis. Along with being a generative and reproductive spirit in mythology, the fish also has been identified in certain cultures with reincarnation and the life force. Sir James George Frazer noted in his work, "Adonis, Attis, Osiris: Studies in the History of Oriental Religion" (Part Four of his larger work, "The Golden Bough") that among one group in India, the fish was believed to house a deceased soul, and that as part of a fertility ritual specific fish is eaten in the belief that it will be reincarnated in a newborn child. Well before Christianity, the fish symbol was known as "the Great Mother," a pointed oval sign, the "vesica piscis" or Vessel of the Fish. "Fish" and "womb" were synonymous terms in ancient Greek,"delphos." Its link to fertility, birth, feminine sexuality and the natural force of women was acknowledged also by the Celts, as well as pagan cultures throughout northern Europe. Eleanor Gaddon traces a "Cult of the Fish Mother" as far back as the hunting and fishing people of the Danube River Basin in the sixth millennium B.C.E. Over fifty shrines have been found throughout the region which depict a fishlike deity, a female creature who "incorporates aspects of an egg, a fish and a woman which could have been a primeval creator or a mythical ancestress..." The "Great Goddess" was portrayed elsewhere with pendulous breasts, accentuated buttocks and a conspicuous vaginal orifice, the upright "vesica piscis" which Christians later adopted and rotated 90-degrees to serve as their symbol. Along with the fish used as a code sign for early Christian communities, the ichthys also found its way into the ritual and decor of church rites. One case in point is the church mitre worn by prelates. Where did this originate? Dr. Thomas Inman discussed this phenomenon in his two volume opus, "Ancient Faiths Embodied in Ancient Names," (1869). He included a representation of a sculpture from Mesopotamia, observing "It is the impression of an ancient gem, and represents a man clothed with a fish, the head being the mitre; priests thus clothed, often bearing in their hand the mystic bag..." "In almost every instance," added Inman, "it will be recognized that the fish's head is represented as of the same form as the modern bishop's mitre." The fish also appears in another sacred iconograph, the Avatars of Vishnu, where the deity "is represented as emerging from the mouth of a fish, and being a fish himself; the legend being that he was to be the Saviour of the world in a deluge which was to follow..." From its focus of worshipping a god-man born of a virgin to the selection of holidays and symbols, Christianity appropriated the metaphors of earlier pagan religions, grafting them into its own account of the creation and beyond. Few Jesus worshippers are aware of this. Even fewer know that when they flaunt the "Ichthus" or Ichthys on a tee-shirt, car bumper or even the door of a state legislative office as a representation which originated in Christianity, they are in fact, displaying a more ancient symbol indicative of female anatomy and reproductive potency -- the very sign of the Great Mother. | |||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6677 Registered: 12-2000 |
This part is a little hazy, but I think someone would draw half of it and then another Christian would come along and complete it. | |||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6676 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yes, Christians were being persecuted, so had to hide their belief. They would draw fishes in the sand to communicate with each other. | |||
| James Dunne (Audiguy)
Member Username: Audiguy Post Number: 360 Registered: 6-2003 |
Does anyone actually know the origin of the Ichthus or Christian fish symbol?? Just curious. | |||
| PeterS (Peters)
Intermediate Member Username: Peters Post Number: 1624 Registered: 1-2003 |
My favorite bumper sticker read "Nuke a gay whale for Christ"...That kinda rolled it all up! | |||
| Kds (Kds)
Member Username: Kds Post Number: 345 Registered: 5-2003 |
Yeah...these are pretty funny....I like the one where the evolution fish is having it's way with the Christian fish. I've seen quit a few of them on cars up here in Alberta. | |||
| Telson (Pitbull_trader)
Junior Member Username: Pitbull_trader Post Number: 146 Registered: 8-2003 |
lol, thx for posting. | |||
| Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Advanced Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 3415 Registered: 4-2002 |
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| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 6463 Registered: 5-2001 |
well that upload did not work. Check out the site. Reality bites! | |||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 6462 Registered: 5-2001 |
just found this website by coincidence. www.rof.com great stuff. Check out the bumper stickers. I like: "The Religious Right is NEITHER!" Also cool symbols:
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