| Author | Message | ||
| Ken A (Zff)
Junior Member Username: Zff Post Number: 89 Registered: 12-2002 |
I think JPM gave MS more than enough space. Can you imagine how tight it would be for JPM if it were the other way around? MS was lucky he didn't lose his front wing. What was up with Alonso braking too early into NGK? Looked pretty scary from DC's point of view. I LOVED the way MS hounded Alonso right up to the very last corner. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1440 Registered: 10-2002 |
I was surprised about MS driving off, but the guys on Speed explained it (after help from their own producer): It is legal, if the engine is still running and if the driver reenters the track where he left it (Senna didn't in Japan, but cut through the chicane) and if he is in a dangerous position. All true in his case. I'm not of a MS fan because of his perfectly clean corporate image (although he speaks more than Kimi, his statements have about as little meaning), but I never had an issue with his driving. It is part of the game. Controlled aggression, that's perfectly fine IMHO. Something his brother lacks. JPM and MS was a race incident with JPM being the luckier. Rulewise however that turn did belong to Montoya as his car was in front. MS was at fault, but at least he tried. Unlike his brother. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 969 Registered: 1-2002 |
MS stuck his line, and so did JPM. There's nothing make your mascara run about that; I've seen FAR dirtier moves in other racing series; i.e., trans-am, ALMS, SpeedWC, etc. racing is racing. Also, a bit obtusely, sir Williams even admitted that JPM has a tendancy to drive over-drive it, and doesn't see the need for him to tame down. MS, also, didn't recieve any "illegal" help; the engine was still running, hence the marshalls helping him was legit, from what I know (limited scope mind you). And, I've got to dissent w/ Art regarding the lack of driver importance; the driver, at least yet, isn't just a warm body filling a space. While I'd betray that I personally think equipment has become the major component in motorsport, there's still something to be said for someone like MS; put me in the f2003-GA and watch the sh&t fly (off track). | ||
| sindo rodil (308qv_miami)
New member Username: 308qv_miami Post Number: 45 Registered: 5-2003 |
Fred you're right about the rules, if the engine was running it's ok.Also everyone bashing MS about his ramming other cars should see videos of Senna, although no one likes to admit it,he could be a pretty dirty driver when need be. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 745 Registered: 2-2001 |
I thought the rule said that if the engine was still running the the car could be pushed but not pushed to be restarted. Not positive on that, just my understanding.And Jack, I guess Michael just cheated his way to 68 wins. The fact of the matter is all of the great champions have that killer instinct. What I like about Michael is when he gets it he knows its part of the business sometimes. Sometimes you are on the giveing end and sometimes the receiving end. I am not saying it was all Montoyas fault. I think it was just two guys not wanting to give in and Michael got the short end of it. Also Art, I think the driver has a lot to do with it in that the good ones can give the right input to have the proper changes made to the car and getting it set up right. JMHO | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 614 Registered: 11-2002 |
Finally Ferrari have realised that their car package trails ...:
This is a section from www.f1-live.com. Yep the McLaren is FAST and if they can stop it failing Ferrari have a big problem!!! And yes maybe the Bridgestones are the problem, but in the end Ferrari will be the ones that pay so they need to find something ... And as I have said before ... time to think radically for next years car as they have reached the end for that design ... no minor improvements can be made and they are already being left behind by the others. Maybe they should relook at the split keel design ... like the McLarens??? Come on Ferrari, CHANGE and meet the challenge. I want more championships. I do not want Ferrari to fizz into another 21 year struggle. Actually I have a lot of faith in Todt, so I imagine he is working hard and planning and reinventing their future ... And yes if MS's car was touched by a track marshal he should be disqualified ... remember Ayton Senna at Japan when Prost and he crashed into each other ... and Prost won the championship as Senna's race win was disqualified! If they do not disqualify MS then the Ferrari accusers of bias will be out in force!!! Pete | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1421 Registered: 10-2002 |
Art, I almost agree: I look at F1 being a four component package: Tires, engine, driver and car (chassis if you like). Ferrari got three out of four, being down on the tires. Williams and McLaren got also three out of four, but being a tad down on the chassis (Williams made leaps and bounds recently, Mc Laren hopefully comes out soon with its new car). That's what makes F1 interesting, when the packages are not 100%. Last year, Ferrari had all four components, hence domination and boredom. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1974 Registered: 6-2001 |
Tire wars go on and on. Next week, Bridgestone will have an advantage, etc. That's what improves the breed. There are three factors in racing: Tires, Engine, and driver. The most important is the engine, followed by the tires, with the driver being the least important. Art | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1416 Registered: 10-2002 |
Bridgestones suck. MS makes a mistake but is lucky to keep going (didn't know that was legal). Kimi was unlucky. JPM is a real racer. Just like Kimi and MS. Good. The championship is still open. Even better! | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
New member Username: Beast Post Number: 36 Registered: 5-2003 |
Pete; I really dont think that the Ferrari 2003-GA is a slow car. I really feel that the Bridgestone tire are the weak link in the package. Even last years car was not as dominant in the early races as it was last year. Michelin has closed the gap and has taken the lead in the tire tech war. It is time for the Bridgestone tire gurus to but a lot of midnight oil and come up with a new compound or design to close the gap back down. Once that happens we will see the real potential of the 2003-GA. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 832 Registered: 4-2003 |
>>>It's statements like that, that make me think Michael is a class act. I'd rather see him behave on-track in such a way that that his PR one-liners wouldn't be necessary. What's even worse, people seem to buy it... How come his behaviour is always questionable when he is being overtaken in righthanders? Hill, Villeneuve, Coulthard and now we can add JPM to the list of "puntees"... Sorry, but to me his one-liner mentioned below does NOT make up for that IMHO. I guess nobody would call JV or Coulthard a class act if it would have been either of them who punted MS instead.... Jack | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 605 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yep MS always gives 110%, you can guarantee that! Pete ps: If he wins the championship again this year it will be 80% MS and only 20% car as the F2003-GA is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 744 Registered: 2-2001 |
It's statements like that, that make me think Michael is a class act. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 604 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yep Kimi should have won that race. Looks to me like the McLaren with Michelin boots is the best package ... unless your last name is Courthard  . How can Courthard stand getting it up the arse like that year after year. The guy is a total push over ... I guess he thinks that being a loser in F1 is better than not being in F1 at all ... and I guess he is scoring plenty of skirt. But I cannot think of any other reason why he takes the crap he gets dealt ... or though he is no champion. Ralph did not deserve that win as he never, ever raised is game to TAKE the win ... he just waits for somebody to fail. So different to his brother ... he should be driving a tractor across a field somewhere not racing in F1! Pete | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 846 Registered: 9-2002 |
GOddamn, Kimi should have won! --Dan | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 831 Registered: 4-2003 |
>>>man, you your apparent hatred for MS clouds all your posts about him. :-D I guess I'm a natural admirer for underdogs... Jack | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2112 Registered: 1-2002 |
Jack, Jack, Jack. I love ya , man, you your apparent hatred for MS clouds all your posts about him. To wit: Michael Schumacher added, "As for the collision with Juan Pablo, in my opinion it was a straightforward racing incident. He was faster than me, tried to pass, gave me just enough room to survive. Maybe I could have wished for a little bit more space, but I have no problem with Juan Pablo over this. No one was to blame. Of course, I am happy for Ralf, keeping it in the family at our home race." | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 827 Registered: 4-2003 |
Nah, MS wasn't punted.... MS swerved off the racing line before the corner to block JPM. JPM held the racing line and was along MS when they entered the corner. That gave JPM the right of way. MS plainly refused (as so many times before) to give way and preferred punting JPM over being a decent racing driver. Just not the behaviour you would expect from a world champ... MS has noone else to blame but himself. Sic! Art, JPM came in second despite MS ramming the Ferrari into the Williams. Jack | ||
| Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
Junior Member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 206 Registered: 5-2002 |
barichello was third michael was 5th, although he was punted (imo) off the track by jpm it seems as though the tires are letting the ferraris down this year but who knows | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1966 Registered: 6-2001 |
Michael got 3rd? Montoya 2nd? Times have changed. Art | ||
| Bart Duesler (The_bart)
Junior Member Username: The_bart Post Number: 164 Registered: 1-2003 |
Opps - wrong one. Rats |