| Author | Message | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1992 Registered: 10-2002 |
Warren, you're spot on. Not only my opinion, but actual market research: Smoking in movies can be habit forming and get somebody (re)started. The tobacco industry knows this of course and guess why they place so many smokers in movies? It looks cool on the screen, but so does driving a Ferrari or a Harley, but you don't see too many of those in the plot. Whereas tobacco advertisements as they are on the cars are 'only' influencing your decision at the supermarket of what brand to choose. PS: I'm not a smoker and couldn't care less. But I do miss Spa and Montreal. | ||
| Warren Balla (West662)
New member Username: West662 Post Number: 9 Registered: 8-2003 |
I dont understand what all the bullshiit is about. I mean, they gotta give this tobacco thing a rest. They wont allow these cars to race because it would be cigarette advertising on TV, yet they show movies and television shows with people smoking. I think actually seeing someone having a smoke (which they have no problem in showing) will pursuade people to smoke or crave a smoke more than just seeing a logo on the side of the car. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1854 Registered: 10-2002 |
As much as I don't like JV and as much as I respect Bernie, in this case it is reversed: Jacques spoke out about the loss of Montreal for monetary/tobacco reasons and Bernie had nothing better to say than to accuse him of driving the sucky BAR just for $$$. Bernie might be right, but Villeneuve's motivation is not the point of the discussion here. | ||
| Paul Wehmer (Pwehmer)
Junior Member Username: Pwehmer Post Number: 190 Registered: 10-2002 |
He says JV is overpaid etc. The link should work. - perhaps the worm virus shut down the website. | ||
| Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
Member Username: Drtax Post Number: 275 Registered: 4-2003 |
Paul, what did he say? I can't get to the web site. thx | ||
| Paul Wehmer (Pwehmer)
Junior Member Username: Pwehmer Post Number: 189 Registered: 10-2002 |
Two Montreal radio people actually managed to call Bernie and pretend that one of them was Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chr�tien! Go to the page below: http://www.ckoi.com/ckoi2/bernie2.php Then click on "Cliquez ici" to hear the conversation. Hear what he says about the Canadian GP and Jacques Villeneuve! The whole thing started as a joke, but Bernie was surprisingly revealing so they just let it run!! It starts with a quick set-up in French, so just wait for it to start... :-) | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 781 Registered: 2-2001 |
I always park around 34th and Lafayette rd. Its about a 15 minute walk to the track. As soon as the race ends we head to the car walk past all of the traffic and I am at home on my couch in about 45 minutes. I have it down pretty good. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1807 Registered: 10-2002 |
I have tried several different strategies myself. Last year wasn't bad: I parked near the track and told the parking lot folks, that I'll leave early, so they put me on 'pole position'. I left 15 minutes before the end and sure enough drove off without traffic jam. Listened to the end of the race in the car radio. I'm planning on doing a similar thing this year. I'll bring my F car and park it with the FCA section just outside the stadium, that probably gives me a 'pole position' as well. Once you've seen a winner's ceremony, you've seen them all. And in Indy you can't do anything else anyway (unlike Imola where we hung out and checked out pit lane etc). | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member Username: Beast Post Number: 160 Registered: 5-2003 |
The only bad part of watching the race is some of the events that you just cannot see or hear or smell when the event is live. For example hearing Rubens or Kimi's motors dropping cyl's at the last two races the battles between the Minardis and Jags last year and the smell of an Expired Asiatech motor. Plus the TV mutes the beautiful music that is a F-1 V-10 at full song. There is no better sound in the world in my opinion. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1312 Registered: 3-2002 |
We decided to go down Thursday night and come home Sunday morning again. That way we get two full days at the track and get to see the race live on TV again. Part of me feels a bit like a schlub for doing that, but so be it. | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member Username: Beast Post Number: 156 Registered: 5-2003 |
Last year i parked in the front yard of a house about 3/4 mile north of the track for $10. While it was not as bad as parking at the track lots it still was close to an hour to get onto the freeway to head back to my motel. This year on friday i am going to do some recon and see what the parking look like to the south and perhaps stay in the neighborhood streets to get back to my motel. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1309 Registered: 3-2002 |
The first year at Indy we took RVs and parked across the street. Great convenience, but enormous hassle getting out on Sunday. Year 2 my friends insisted on leaving right after the race, so we drove to the track and paid to park around the corner. Afterwards we returned and our lot was blocked in by hundreds of buses queued to haul people away. Last year, we got up Sunday morning, drove home, and watched the race on TV! My basic rule is, if we stay for the race, we go home on Monday. That way you can hang back at the track and let the crowd dwindle. | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member Username: Beast Post Number: 154 Registered: 5-2003 |
Andreas; I would have to agree with the pros and cons of both tracks. When i went to Canada I found it to be a very easy track to get to and the night life absolutly fantastic, Yet the views of the track tended to be limited. Indy on the other hand several sections give you great views of the track and the ease of walking around checking all sections out. But trafic getting out of the race has got to be the pits. This year i am honestly thinking of taking a taxi to the track on race day and walking back to my motel 3.5 miles just to avoid the traffic jam. Plus i can use the exercise. One thing i just wonder is maybe Tony George having a hand in this deal as well. In order to entice more spectators to come to Indy, if it will be the only North America race event for F1???? Rob | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1804 Registered: 10-2002 |
I'd say from a spectator's perspective both tracks have their plus and minuses. Indy is Indy and has the high speed banked turn (the only one in F1) and a lovely slow infield (again from a spectator's perspective). Montreal has some nice turns, especially the one after the start/finish and of course the hairpin. As mentioned by others before, the really cool thing about Montreal is the vicinity to the city. You just hop on that monorail and check into your hotel room/bar/restaurant. Unlike any other F1 racetrack (not counting Monaco, where only a few have the $$$ to stay in town). Personally I think both events should stay in the calendar. It is after all a World championship and not a European only event. Dump Nuerburgring, Imola and Hungaroring instead if you must. | ||
| Trevor Ely (Bmwm3n528)
Junior Member Username: Bmwm3n528 Post Number: 105 Registered: 4-2003 |
man, i kept hearing how much better the Canadian GP was compared to the USGP, made me want to go next year...oh well, guess that takes care of that. trevor | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1293 Registered: 3-2002 |
Shrewd reading between the lines, Andreas. I think you've pinpointed it. Bernie, used to dealing with fellow Europeans, isn't accustomed to people holding their ground against him. Now he's painted himself into a corner that could, once again, cost him one of the best races of the season. Even he should recognize when to draw the line between business and sport. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1790 Registered: 10-2002 |
Nothing confusing: Bernie gave Legault a fair warning shot and that guy called the "bluff", now Bernie makes a poker face to keep the discussion open. If you read the article it sounds very clear and definite to me, that Bernie wants them to get an exception (like Spa did after one year of arm wrenching) and also that Legault (being FRENCH-Canadian that he is) doesn't want to go that way. Sad. Stubborn like the environmentalists from Belgium were the first time around. The the loss of the revenues changed peoples minds and voting ballots. It might happen in Canada for 2005 as well, but I think it is lost for 2004. Funny how Bernie says he doesn't know what is in his head at the moment. Yeah right, like Kasparow doesn't know what his next chess move is. | ||
| Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
Member Username: Anthony_ferrari Post Number: 345 Registered: 11-2002 |
This is getting very confusing: http://sport.independent.co.uk/motor_racing/story.jsp?story=431880 Andreas, that would be great. As usual with us we won't know what's happening until the last minute! Will keep you posted.  | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 2337 Registered: 6-2001 |
I hope this isn't true. Art | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1778 Registered: 10-2002 |
Anthony, would be ultra cool to host the Currie family in Chicago for a few days in between. Keeping my fingers crossed! | ||
| Ira Schwartz (Iraschwartz)
New member Username: Iraschwartz Post Number: 15 Registered: 5-2003 |
Yes, but the ever-credible Bernie is now denying it, and says he can't imagine how anyone got this idea! | ||
| Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
Member Username: Anthony_ferrari Post Number: 344 Registered: 11-2002 |
In case you haven't already seen it: http://www.pitpass.com/news2/news.cfm?newsid=7076 There will be no Canadian GP in 2004! I was really tempted to do the US/Canadian back-to-back trip. Alas, it is not to be... |