| Author | Message | ||
| Russ Turner (Snj5)
Member Username: Snj5 Post Number: 586 Registered: 2-2003 |
Mark! Bitte, eine Hefewiezen fuer mich! Forza Ferrari! Tschuess! rt | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 506 Registered: 10-2002 |
Viva the red cars!! WHAT A RACE!! Cheers from an internet cafe in Greifswald, Germany, MARK | ||
| Najib Amanullah (Najib)
Member Username: Najib Post Number: 259 Registered: 4-2001 |
I agree that there should be a greater spread between 1st and 2nd. Maybe 4 points. I would suggest 11.7.5.3.2.1 After all it is all about winning. Hate to think that KR could have won the championship by winning only one race in the whole season. In fact, I think its the only race he has won. Just stupid. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 849 Registered: 2-2001 |
Yeah Jordan, me too! All of the sudden both cars were gone from view and I thought the brothers took each other out. Very scary moment. | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Member Username: Wax Post Number: 556 Registered: 7-2003 |
DJ - I'm working on an in-depth look at the 2 scoring systems and 5 others. Here's a summary of what they're all based on: (8) Now: 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 Spread: 2-2-1-1-1-1-1 (6) Then:10-6-4-3-2-1 Spread: 4-2-1-1-1 (8) Prime numbers: 17-13-11-7-5-3-2-1 Spread: 4-2-4-2-2-1-1 (6) Prime numbers: 11-7-5-3-2-1 Spread: 4-2-2-1-1 (8) Compromise: 12-9-6-5-4-3-2-1 Spread: 3-3-2-1-1-1-1 (6) Compromise: 10-7-5-3-2-1 Spread: 3-2-2-1-1 (7) Further Compromise I'd Recommend: 10-7-5-4-3-2-1 Spread: 3-2-1-1-1-1 Why is that recommended, wax?: a) 3 & 2 Point Spread on the Podium, respectively. b) Separates the podium from the pack, and the pack from one another, one-by-one. c) Odd numbers of point winners are the norm. ie 1 if winner-take-all, 3 if medalists, 5 if ribbons, 7 if honorable mentions are included. 6 is too few, 8 is too many. I'm breaking down the point rewards in an driver-by-driver, race-by-race format first, then team-by-team. Then the changes in the actual point spreads. When completed, I will present the raw data for consumption under a new topic - this will allow one to see the advantages and disadvantages of each system, and reach their own logical conclusion as to what appears to work fairly to one and all, (Fans, Drivers, Teams, Bigshots) and what doesn't. | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 2190 Registered: 12-2002 |
Frederick, that point when they showed the rear view from da Matta's car and MS and RS disappeared from view nearly gave me a heart attack. | ||
| DJ (Godfather)
Junior Member Username: Godfather Post Number: 164 Registered: 11-2002 |
Anybody know of the site that compares both scoring systems? | ||
| rich stephens (Dino2400)
Member Username: Dino2400 Post Number: 632 Registered: 10-2001 |
Under the old scoring system, Michael would have had it wrapped up weeks ago, and rightfully so. The new scoring system is stupid. Racing is about winning and there should be a much larger gap between 1st and the other places. If they want to pay points down to 8th place, fine: but make it 20 for a win, 12 for 2nd, 8 for 3rd, and so on. None of this 10,8, 6.. crap. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Intermediate Member Username: Psk Post Number: 1042 Registered: 11-2002 |
Definitely not RS's fault that collision. Not sure whos but like Jack said it did look like Da Matta braked early. In the end MS was extremely lucky not to get a flat tyre or broken left rear suspension, etc. While I did not enjoy the season as much as some, I will admit to finding that race very stressful, and thus exciting. Thus I have to admitt that the new rules might have had something to do with this ... or was it just Michelin raising their game ? Time for RB to step up and start beating MS instead of expecting MS to slow for him  Pete | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Intermediate Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 1152 Registered: 4-2003 |
I don't feel you can blame Ralf for what happened (I'm not a huge fan of his, but he's ok in my eyes). Da Matta, being no rookie at racing, gave MS a brake test and MS had to swerve to the left to avoid him. Ralf was even more surprised and, IMHO, did what he could to avoid a collision. While still spinning, you could see him raise his hand to MS as a sign of "sorry, didn't intend that". So, I don't think there will be any harsh words between the two brothers tonight. Just my observations of course, for what they are worth. Jack Oh, I almost forgot... Probably the best racing season EVER and congrats to the team! | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 846 Registered: 2-2001 |
I thought Michael did an impressive job of holding off Ralf. At one point Ralf tried to make a move on him and Michael just shut the door on him. You can't blame Ralf for trying to get by him. People are always critical of him when it comes to him getting past Michael. At one point they had the rear camera view from Damatas (sp) car and they disapeared from view. I thought they took each other out but luckily it was just Ralfs car that was damaged. | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Member Username: Wax Post Number: 552 Registered: 7-2003 |
Regarding Jim Avery's Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 12:12 pm post: Jim Avery was spot-on correct to post the quotes and the accompanying team picture. He understands. This was the final televised question and answer exchange between reporter and Champion. Notable was the fact that while other answers had Michael looking at the reporter while answering - he looked straight at the camera during this one. The significance is that his sentiments were centered around we, the team and it was very real and heartfelt. Through the spectacle of it all, this is the most important of life's lessons learned and shared with his fellow man. Schumaker redefined the touchstone of not just an individual's accomplishments, and strength through humbling experience, but that of a team's, and the F-1 culture. Maggio la forza di ferrari � con voi. | ||
| Vaughan (Vanimal)
Junior Member Username: Vanimal Post Number: 94 Registered: 3-2003 |
I am the happiest man today, go Ferrari, and good on you Rubens and Schumy, your the best, well worth getting up at 06h00..... Ferrari Rules, now, yesterday and tomorrow. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Intermediate Member Username: Psk Post Number: 1041 Registered: 11-2002 |
Now that was the most stressful race I have ever watched!!! Concrats and MS deserved the win, far best results of the season. I must say I was a little disapointed in Kimi not stepping up and pushing RB. The fact that Coulthard was able to follow Kimi right to the end shows how slow Kimi was going. Thus guess he is not ready to be WC!. Good drive by RB ... nervous and tentative drive by MS that nearly got him into trouble ... but to give the guy a break, that must have been a scary race. I am glad that MS got points so it was not just a RB helped to win title situation. Pete | ||
| Russ Turner (Snj5)
Member Username: Snj5 Post Number: 579 Registered: 2-2003 |
With the way Montoya rocketed away from everyone, he must have over revved or had 1 gallon of fuel. It seems to me that there are times it is important for Ralf to show Uncle Frank he is not about to defer to his older brother. His co-driver certainly doesn't..... Double character points to the whole Ferrari team and the leadership for fighting back - not neccesarily an attribute I would have given them pre-Luca. While the outstanding singular performances are world-beating, I must tip my hat to deMontezemelo for setting up, resourcing, and allowing the team to function the way it does. Double character points for Rubens because.... there are just too many reasons not to. Forza Ferrari! rt | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Intermediate Member Username: Ross Post Number: 1377 Registered: 3-2002 |
forza ferrari ! hat trick at the final race ! it must suck to be a maclaren fan these days ! bet there will be some words between the schumi bros tonight - what was ralf thinking !? | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Intermediate Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 1080 Registered: 9-2002 |
What was montoya doing? Was his car messing up or something early in the race? | ||
| Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 384 Registered: 6-2003 |
Q: Well, you did finish in the points, in eighth place, and you did secure your sixth world championship, your ninth with Ferrari including the Constructors� championship. Can you give us some final thoughts on the team and on those achievements? MS: "First of all, I think it is very strange for me because most of my championships I have won with a victory and here and now today I am winning a championship with eighth position which is last of the points, but still winning the championship which is a mixed emotion. But what the team has achieved is just fantastic. If you see what has happened at Hockenheim, in Budapest, how many people wrote us off, how many people wrote things about us, outspoken things. And here we are, we�re back. We never give up, we�re always there, we always fight, and I think that�s one of the big strengths of the Ferrari team. Everybody in Ferrari is that way. It�s just a huge big family and we are all proud to be a part of it."   | ||
| Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 383 Registered: 6-2003 |
Not to gloat, but I think a victory drive thru town flying (and driving) the colors is in order! (I was going to do it last night, about 2:30 am, but didn't want to get hit by a drunk driver) Let's celebrate!! Champagne anyone? | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 842 Registered: 2-2001 |
I still think its whacked that Schumacher can will six races and Kimi just one and only win it by two points. That just doesn't seem right. | ||
| Jim DeRespino (Jimbo)
Junior Member Username: Jimbo Post Number: 119 Registered: 10-2001 |
All is right with the world. Despite the rule changes and personal tragedy, MS and Ferrari once again regain their rightful position at the top of the F1 world. And does anyone doubt Reubens??? Of course, now I can't wait for the 2004 F1 season to start... | ||
| Najib Amanullah (Najib)
Member Username: Najib Post Number: 257 Registered: 4-2001 |
I really cant stand headlines like "Barrichello helps Schumacher to title number six" on F1-live.com. So does this imply Kimi Raikkonen would have won if not for RB. NO. Of course he wouldn't. If RB was out of the race, KR would be 1st and MS 7th and he would still be World Champion. Coulthard held back and let KR into 2nd spot so he had a better chance. That is what team work is all about. In any case MS only needed an 8th spot to win. What a buch of sissy crybabies who cant admit MS is the better driver. He worked damn hard up the field when bad weather had robbed him of a better starting spot on the grid. Good luck to him .....here's looking forward to title No.7. | ||
| Darrell Pardy (Dpardyferrari)
New member Username: Dpardyferrari Post Number: 47 Registered: 8-2002 |
Followed it on the internet - hope the VCR is working. Can't wait to see it.. CONRATULATIONS to Michael, Rubins and the entire team. THis has been a great run.... | ||
| Ken A (Zff)
Junior Member Username: Zff Post Number: 153 Registered: 12-2002 |
YEEEEEAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! FORZA FERRARI!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Russ Turner (Snj5)
Member Username: Snj5 Post Number: 578 Registered: 2-2003 |
Wooo-Hoooo!!! Rubinho rocks! Bellisimo! What a brilliant team effort all year!! Forza Ferrari! | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1538 Registered: 1-2002 |
I really can't stand micheal hobbs; especially his inane comments about micheal's lose of concentrations when he came together w/ sato. blah blah blah. utter windbag. congrats MS, and ferrari. | ||
| Najib Amanullah (Najib)
Member Username: Najib Post Number: 256 Registered: 4-2001 |
Congrats Michael and Ferrari. I'm glad they did it on the field and did not have to resort to appeals etc. Its a GREAT day. | ||
| Mike Procopio (Pupz308)
Member Username: Pupz308 Post Number: 555 Registered: 10-2002 |
FORZA FERRARI!!!!!!!! WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 382 Registered: 6-2003 |
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| Steven Duke (Sduke)
New member Username: Sduke Post Number: 42 Registered: 3-2003 |
FORZA FERRARI!!!!!! Ferrari's 5th Constructors Title!!! Eclipsing McLaren. Michaels 6th!!!!! I LOVE FERRARI!!! I will sleep like a baby tonight because the world is right!!!!! | ||
| Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 381 Registered: 6-2003 |
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| Paul G. (Diesirae)
Junior Member Username: Diesirae Post Number: 60 Registered: 11-2001 |
I'm out waiving my Ferrari flag on my porch in the middle of the night (I hope the neighbors don't call the cops). Great job Michael, Ruebens, and Ferrari!! | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Member Username: Beast Post Number: 412 Registered: 5-2003 |
Congrats Michael 6 time world champ!!!!! Way to stick it out... FORZA FERRARI!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Steven Duke (Sduke)
New member Username: Sduke Post Number: 41 Registered: 3-2003 |
FORZA FERRARI!!!!!!!!!!!! 5 consecutive constructors titles, eclipsing McLaren!!! Michaels 6th!!! It's a great day!!! I LOVE FERRARI!!!!!!! steve | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Member Username: Wax Post Number: 545 Registered: 7-2003 |
YES! GAME! SET! MATCH! | ||
| Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 380 Registered: 6-2003 |
Excellent strategy, excellent execution! Congrats to the entire Ferrari team!! Boys, we saw it LIVE!!!! NOW, FOR WHAT I HAVE WAITED FOR, I WILL PONY UP THE $35 FOR A SCHUMACHER HAT...6 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6568 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yes, congrats to Rubens too. He ran a great race. Only competition went out with mechanicals. Takes car and driver. | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 2185 Registered: 12-2002 |
 FORZA FERRARI! | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 2184 Registered: 12-2002 |
ITS OVER! Hurray for Ferrari MS, and Rubens! | ||
| Paul G. (Diesirae)
Junior Member Username: Diesirae Post Number: 59 Registered: 11-2001 |
Woohoo!!! I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight. | ||
| Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 379 Registered: 6-2003 |
Hooray! Way to go Ruebens! Michael is the GREATEST!!! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6567 Registered: 12-2000 |
Congrats Michael and Ferrari. 2003 World Champions! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6566 Registered: 12-2000 |
2 laps to go, these are loooong laps. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6565 Registered: 12-2000 |
I doubt both Kimi will take first and Michael will drop any places. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6564 Registered: 12-2000 |
I hate commercials! No, I don't care about Bosley. I like bald! | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 841 Registered: 2-2001 |
This has been a nerve rackng race. | ||
| Steven Duke (Sduke)
New member Username: Sduke Post Number: 40 Registered: 3-2003 |
Michael 8th! Does he have to pit again, or will he go until the end? This is killing me! Why does David Hobbs keep talking about Brazil. Ahhhh dammit! Go Rubens!!!! steve | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6563 Registered: 12-2000 |
Naa, as long as he didn't gain a position. | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 2183 Registered: 12-2002 |
I dont think they will be talking tonight | ||
| Steven Duke (Sduke)
New member Username: Sduke Post Number: 39 Registered: 3-2003 |
Crap!!! Michael and Ralf come together trying to get around Sato. Ralf is in for a nose and Michael took a shortcut thru the infield. Possible penalty???? Go Rubens.......save us steve | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6562 Registered: 12-2000 |
Wow, that was crazy. This is great racing! No brotherly love under the green flag. | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 2182 Registered: 12-2002 |
GOOD GOD! The schumi brothers incident was too close for me. My heart skipped a beat. All we need is MS to hold onto 8th position...BArichello is pretty much set to win as long as nothing goes wrong...Then its a double victory for Ferrari! Break out those champange bottles! | ||
| Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 378 Registered: 6-2003 |
Go Ruebens! Keep it up!! Michael, hang in there! This is a little too close for comfort!!! | ||
| Steven Duke (Sduke)
New member Username: Sduke Post Number: 38 Registered: 3-2003 |
Michael is 6th now. Rubens has 39 second lead on Kimi. Michael just came in to the pits. Now he is in 10th. dammit!! Great season no matter what. steve | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 2181 Registered: 12-2002 |
I doubt Michael will be on the podium, but I think the championship is his as long as Kimi doesnt win...Lets cross our fingers | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6560 Registered: 12-2000 |
Great race so far, much drama, F1 might be moving up my list after Indy and this race. Awesome Ferrari has clinched another Constructors. Michael is 10th behind Ralf now, how many more places will he move up? |