| Author | Message | ||
| billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Member Username: Fatbillybob Post Number: 349 Registered: 8-2002 |
o.k. I'll do that. So you basically tap the brakes to get from 120 downshift to 3rd take the turn at perhaps 70 as you head up the hill? | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1409 Registered: 1-2002 |
billy bob: the thing is, that corner off the back straight is really fast ( i take it in 3rd flat out). what i do is: lift where the pavement changes, brake moderatly and downshift one gear. after the crest brake some more, downshift again, turn in and get on the gas. i only really brake where the burm begins after the crest. hope that helps. hubert ps : next time we're out there, you should ride with me so you can see what i'm talking about. | ||
| billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Member Username: Fatbillybob Post Number: 347 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hubert, On that back straight what is the secret to the braking zone? Do you slow the car and sacrafice some speed to make a smooth entry into the corner with power up the hill or do you late brake like hell (sometimes get a little out of shape) and the whip into the turn kinda hot and coast up the hill? | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1401 Registered: 1-2002 |
jordan: the car dynoed at 170hp and 140ft/lbs of tq. It weighs 3000 lbs with me in it and a full tank of gas. on the back straight i saw 120 before the braking zone. -hubert | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 1870 Registered: 12-2002 |
Not bad Hubert! How fast can you get that car on the straights? How much hp? | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1331 Registered: 1-2002 |
more pics of my heap:      | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Intermediate Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 1184 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jordan don't purchase a helmet just yet... go try on a few first... when you're ready, I have some good contacts for a helmet. You can try some on at Sube sports in HB (Hubert recommended). I would check out the following sites, too: www.racerwholesale.com www.saferacer.com www.ogracing.com B. | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 1823 Registered: 12-2002 |
Thanks Billy Bob and Hubert! Is there a website I can purchase a good helmet for a good price? | ||
| billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Member Username: Fatbillybob Post Number: 332 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jordan the sa95 thing is a speedventures rule. Other clubs have more or less rules. For the most part you can't go wrong going sa2000 on the helmet. Then you can run with anyone. Racer wholesale are the cheap guys. Cars require all kinds of stuff depending on who you go out with and what class you are in. In general for most timetrial classes you need decent tires, no leaks, secure battery, good ball joints with no wheel play, solid brakes and brake lights...the stuff you want to be street worthy anyway. a minimum 1 layer driving suit is nice as it gives you about 15 seconds to get out of a burning car, a 2.5 lb fire extingusher within reach and bolted to the floor so it is not a projectile in your car. You need numbers and the hot ticket is to buy the 1 ft square white magnet stuff from pegasus racing and put the numbers on there so you can take the numbers on and off you car. This way you don't have to worry about your paint or do the masking tape numbers thing. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1295 Registered: 1-2002 |
jordan: no mods neccessary. just make sure your brake fluid is fresh, there's plenty of material left on your brake pads, and that your tires have in excess or 3/32nd's of material. Beyond that , you'll need a helmet, M95 or SA 95 or newer. Full face or 3/4 is up to you. You'll want to bring extra oil, brake fluid and coolant, but that's about all you'll need. -hubert | ||
| acw (Acw)
Junior Member Username: Acw Post Number: 163 Registered: 2-2002 |
I had a great time as well. Buttonwillow is one of the best track around and the event organization was perfect. I stayed for both days, totaling about 7h of track time. Thanks for the pictures. I did not take any but recorded a few sessions from the car the previous day. The first one is kind of funny. I was chasing a viper, he eventually let me by but I somewhat ran out of track before the end of the pass, leading to a pretty good spin. http://acw-com.activeserverhosting.com/cars/bw082303/HWFM.WMV The second one is a clean lap on Saturday. http://acw-com.activeserverhosting.com/cars/bw082303/OneLap.WMV It was great to meet all of you. ACW | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5835 Registered: 5-2001 |
long live the:  | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5834 Registered: 5-2001 |
Nice guys! Ah I have to wait 10 more days and then I can slap her around as well  | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Intermediate Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 1172 Registered: 10-2002 |
It was a great time... it surprised me when random people came up to me and asked if I posted on Ferrarichat... what a small world! 'ACW' had a Lotus Elise Sport race car and took a few of us out during some sessions - what a driver! Here are a few other snapshots from the day... Up at 6:30am!!   Super 8, baby!!  At the track, getting ready to run...    Hubert putting on his #550:  Andrew and his Integra:  Arick and his eclipse:  Amanda getting a ride in fellow F-Chatter's (ACW) awesome Lotus... went for a ride myself too - that thing sticks to the ground!!  Ricky and Murphy showed up in the afternoon to run the 360...   | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 1815 Registered: 12-2002 |
Great pictures! If I come to the next track day, would someone give me a ride on a few laps? Byron, glad your car is up and running! Hey Hubert, what are the rules for taking a street car (such as my Mustang) on the track? Would I need to do any mods to it? Next summer after some of my driving courses, I want to start trying out the track | ||
| Amanda (Girlgrammy)
New member Username: Girlgrammy Post Number: 6 Registered: 7-2003 |
Pics!!!                     | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 1814 Registered: 12-2002 |
Looking forward to them Sounds like you guys had fun! | ||
| Amanda (Girlgrammy)
New member Username: Girlgrammy Post Number: 5 Registered: 7-2003 |
A fantastic weekend at Buttonwillow it was! For all you who enjoy the "spirited drives" this is the next level. Before hitting Buttonwillow I'd suggest either riding along with a few experienced pros or taking the instruction class just to learn the track; it's a challenging course no doubt. My Lotus ride-along was INCREDIBLE thanks to our new friend AW (still smilling ear to ear, and I promise I wasn't scared) and John from Speedventures was kind enough to show me what a race-preped Z06 can do (Jeeezzzus!) I was very proud of all our guys out there running hard in the blistering heat, Byron's showing some nice lines, Arick is fearless especially in the dirt, Carl's confident and smooth, Andrew likes the dirt too, and Hubert showing his experienced Buttonwillow chops ;) I think it's time for an official Ferrari Driving Club meets Buttonwillow track event. Oh and...don't forget to schedule a massage after the big racing day... -A | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Intermediate Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 1165 Registered: 10-2002 |
Woo hoo! What a day!! It was a warm, breezy day at Buttonwillow yesterday, but I think all who went can agree that we had a blast! Those who were there: me (348 Challenge) Carl (348tb) Hubert (Prelude) Andrew (Integra GS-R) Arick (Eclipse) Ricky (360 Modena) Very fun day - great runs... no major mishaps... a little dust never hurts ;). Amanda took some great shots - I took a few too... will post up pictures later on. Amanda... bring the Z06 next time! Awesome! | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1250 Registered: 1-2002 |
Billy Bob: Sorry, I didn't see your post until now, regarding toe settings. I run ~ 3/8" TOTAL toe OUT in the front, and about 1/16" TOTAL toe IN on the rear. Toe out up front makes turn in a little crisper, and when you load up the front under braking, its plants the fronts flat. If you can see it in your head; if the wheels are point "out" a little unloaded, when you put load on them, they'll be pointing "straight" under load. Too much toe up front though, and yuo'll really eat up tires; if youre looking for cripser turn in, you may want to adjust your castor settings. Also, if youre looking for more grip through the corner, try to add some camber. The rear , with it's toe IN, aids in higher speed stability, by keeping the car planted since the wheels are pointing "in" it keeps them from getting loose. That , in addition to keeping the rear planted when it gets light under braking... when you load up the front , the rear gets light, and the rear wheels (w/ toe in) will straighten out, giving you maximal contact b/w the tire and the road. There's a good section on alignment and to in fred puhns "how to make your car handle" i can fax it to you, if you like. About the trailer space... I"m not sure. I 've seen people in there with tow hitches, but not full out trailers... there's room on the street though. Don't take my word for it. -hubert | ||
| billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Member Username: Fatbillybob Post Number: 319 Registered: 8-2002 |
O.K. Hubert and Byron I'm in for Sunday too. Car #53 red 348 , white trailer, grey suburban. | ||
| billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Member Username: Fatbillybob Post Number: 317 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hubert, Is that motel 6 trailer friendly? Are the rest of you guys going staurday and sunday or just sunday? What group are you guys running? Hubert...do you have any comments on toe-in or toe-out alignments? Some guys think turn in is better with a bit of toe out. Personally I never see any readon to do anything with toe other than stock generally toe-in. Toe-outs give funny high speed stability too. What do you think? | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1221 Registered: 1-2002 |
art; byron: I"ll be there on SUNDAY the 24th, deal? And, yes, Art I'll pick you up at the airport... what time will you fly in? Byron: nomex suit? You're gonna be HOOOOT... bring lots of water... | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Intermediate Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 1106 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hubert, do the 24th. I just picked up my Nomex suit - I'll be there on sunday. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1220 Registered: 1-2002 |
Art: yah, of course. I'll pick you up. I was planning on attending on the 23rd. Is there anyway you can make it down then? Email me your cell [email protected] | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 2352 Registered: 6-2001 |
Hubert: Try the corkscrew on a bike, a fast bike. makes the car feel very slow. If I fly down to the local airport (about 2, 3 miles away) on the 24th would you pick me up? You've got my cell number, I think. Art | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Intermediate Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 1099 Registered: 10-2002 |
Just checked the site last night - if you want to avoid late fees, you will need to register at least 10 days before, which means 8/13. For those interested, I will probably be there with my 348CH on 8/24. I know Hubert is in... and possibly Beth. Gene, Jonathan, anyone else? | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6258 Registered: 8-2002 |
Guys, Make sure you wave when you pass my house on the way there. M | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1204 Registered: 1-2002 |
beth: speedventures runs an "s2000 challenge" so there'll be a lot of s2000's, lots of vettes, BMW, porsches, etc. it varies from grandmas grocery getter (me) to full blown race cars. | ||
| Beth Bradtmiller (348angel)
New member Username: 348angel Post Number: 5 Registered: 7-2003 |
Hubert, I will be there on the 23rd. I'll check out the Motel 6. What kind of cars will be there? Beth | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1203 Registered: 1-2002 |
beth: there's a hotel 6/motel 6 something. right off the freeway next to a carls jr., and it's in the "heart" of buttonwillow. that's where i stay. not the ritz, but okay to lay your head down. which day will you be attending? | ||
| Beth Bradtmiller (348angel)
New member Username: 348angel Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2003 |
Byron, The pic is loaded! You can ride along with me if you like. I need more info on the hotels out there. Where does everyone stay? ~Angel~ | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1202 Registered: 1-2002 |
jordan: yah, the "corkscrew" is really really fun. Right after the crest you feel the car jsut get sucked down; you can see how much load the suspension sees at that point (for reference I'm running 600lbs front springs and 450lbs rears.) Look at the amount of load. My car is not set that low. And it all happens in seconds.  | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 1648 Registered: 12-2002 |
Cool pictures Hubert! That turn at Laguna Seca looks like lots of fun | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1201 Registered: 1-2002 |
Sunny: puff puff give. Just passin' the go fast crack pipe. PS: To do list for me: install new steering wheel/steering hub remove airbag computer pick up carbon fiber hood install hood pins remove the rest of the rear paneling install roll bar (if finished) buy new front pads flush fluid and get one new tire replced/mounted oh, and get the flex pipe on my header replaced (it's leaking. a lot) | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 746 Registered: 2-2003 |
Hubert, my heart races whenever anyone mentions the track pipe.. I just lack the right car to do it in. But, it is fun tossing the sedan around in a safer environment. Even ride alongs would be nice Sunny | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1200 Registered: 1-2002 |
Well, just to intice those on the fence. I found some track pics of the ole DOHC VTEC tractor at laguna seca (hope this makes you guys wanna hit the track).       See you guys there. I hope. -hubert | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 745 Registered: 2-2003 |
Byron, get out of my head. Its not nice to eavesdrop on other people's thoughts, hehe! Yes. I know she's interested in doing some local canyon runs with some other Z06's. I'll send her a link to the thread. If I went, I would drive, just stick me in beginner. Sunny | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Intermediate Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 1079 Registered: 10-2002 |
sunny... are you thinking what I'm thinking? get Amanda to bring out her toy! you should come out with the jag, too! | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 743 Registered: 2-2003 |
Sounds like a fun time. Make sure to take pics, someone! Sunny | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Intermediate Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 1077 Registered: 10-2002 |
Beth, time to load the picture of your baby on your profile! I'm gonna try to be at the buttonwillow event even if I'm not driving my car that day - it should be fun to do some ridealongs, etc... | ||
| Beth Bradtmiller (348angel)
New member Username: 348angel Post Number: 3 Registered: 7-2003 |
Hey guys- I am planning on going as long as my car is here! It should be. Byron and Hubert, I hope to see you there. My first track event with my new 348, I'm totally looking forward to it! Beth ~Angel~ | ||
| Dom Vitarella (Dom)
Member Username: Dom Post Number: 360 Registered: 11-2002 |
No can do it, unfortunately. My wife is Due Sep 5, so I am "on call" starting mid august. Doesn't look like Dom will be having fun (or getting sleep) for the next few months. Dom | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Intermediate Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 1067 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hubert, I know of speedventures and know of this event... if I am in town that weekend, it would be fun to attend. I will need to double check to see if my car is in good running order by then. I believe Beth (new owner of a 348tb in San Diego) was planning on doing this event as well - looks like you may have a few ride-along instruction opportunities ahead of you! | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1199 Registered: 1-2002 |
Speedventures is holding an event that weekend. Running configuration #1 CW on saturday, and configuration #25 CCW on sunday. I'll be there on saturday because I need more time running the track CW; ran it CCW the last 3 times. Anyway, you ALL should come out!!! No excuses. Byron! It's a weekend, c'mon. Adam, I know your starting to hit the "go fast crack pipe" So, c'mon you know you wanna. Info: www.speedventures.net Instructors will be available, but I'll gladly give anyone a ride (in my car) and show you my version of the line (whatever that's worth.) Lodging is cheap (40/night at the motel 6 by the carls jr.-- right off the 5, about 19 miles south of the track), and it's best to go up the night before -- to get plenty of sleep. -hubert |