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James Angle (Jimangle)
Junior Member
Username: Jimangle
Post Number: 79
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 11:44 pm: | |
Algar Ferrari charged me 200 for a ppi on my 308. No compression test. Didn't ask for one. |
Sean F (Agracer)
Member
Username: Agracer
Post Number: 359
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 3:35 pm: | |
Michael,
Blackhorse Motors charged me $300 to PPI a 308, and that included a leakdown, electrical test of alternator, battery, etc. and all the other stuff. |
Michael Klein (Malibumk)
Junior Member
Username: Malibumk
Post Number: 89
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 9:57 am: | |
The dealers in L.A. get 4 hours min. at $125 = $500 without a Comp. Check. Add 2 hours for comp and it's $750. This for a v-8, probably more for a v-12. Similar hours at an independent, but labor rates run $75-95/hour....FYI. They check the exaust gas upstream of the cat's and that really tells the story about engine condition...comp. check/leakdown not really necessary if the car has correct exaust gas makeup, and makes good power.
my 2c. |
Kds (Kds)
Junior Member
Username: Kds
Post Number: 135
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 10:34 am: | |
I just sold an S500 coupe which went to the local MB dealer for a PPI and an inspection for frame damage due which involved using alignment racks, etc. due to the car having been in a prior accident some years ago.
Total cost $ 275 CAD including road test time. A compression test (not deemed necc) would have been another $ 150 CAD.
So......$ 300 USD for everything.
Yes.....$ 760 USD seems ridiculious. It's a Ferrari...but it's also a car and not "that" special. |
Ron Feaster (Rfeaster)
New member
Username: Rfeaster
Post Number: 13
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 6:30 pm: | |
I heard a leakdown is where they fill the cylinder with air (under pressure) when it starts its compression stroke & then see if it loses pressure to indicate leaky valves. But, this is only what I heard...
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rick catalano (Tatcat)
Junior Member
Username: Tatcat
Post Number: 103
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 6:05 pm: | |
what is a leakdown? i'm guessing is it where the valves are filled with oil to check the seal? wouldn't the compression check show that? |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator
Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 6071
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 3:47 pm: | |
quote:The estimated hours was 8, so that's a little less than $100 per hour. Without the leakdown & compression test the quote was $380.
A leakdown & compression test doesn't take 4 hours! |
Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Intermediate Member
Username: Ronsupercar
Post Number: 1009
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 3:19 pm: | |
For that price they might as well change the belts too... |
G. Green (Mr_green)
Junior Member
Username: Mr_green
Post Number: 209
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 1:34 pm: | |
No wonder they eat lunch at Crustatean. |
Sean F (Agracer)
Member
Username: Agracer
Post Number: 357
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 1:24 pm: | |
Ferrari Beverly Hills wanted $960 to inpsect a 308. 8-hours @ $120/hr |
Ron Feaster (Rfeaster)
New member
Username: Rfeaster
Post Number: 12
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 12:12 pm: | |
Thanks for all the help, Guys. Its been very informative... |
Jeffrey Robbins (Teachdna)
Junior Member
Username: Teachdna
Post Number: 120
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 11:00 am: | |
Alfa of Tacoma by Carlo Durante is first rate and a heck of a lot more reasonable. Maybe if you explain the urgency, he'll fit you in.
He did my PPI within a week (I was flying in from out of town to see the car) and was very thorough. |
89TCab (Jmg)
Member
Username: Jmg
Post Number: 531
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 10:45 am: | |
You can also try Specialty Cars in Bellevue, Graham is my mechanic and is well respected. (425) 451-3536 As with Carlo, he can be booked up but worth a call.
- JMG |
dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member
Username: Davehanda
Post Number: 1745
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 10:36 am: | |
Ron,
Call me, I might know more about the car (maybe).
Email me and I will give you my number. |
dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member
Username: Davehanda
Post Number: 1744
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 10:33 am: | |
Ron,
I am in the local Seattle FCA region. Ferrari of Seattle does good work, but that does seem a bit high for a 308 PPI. I had a PPI with leakdown/compression test done at Alfa of Tacoma by Carlo Durante, the owner for around $375. He was very thorough in his report. 253.572.2532 The big problem is that he is constantly back logged with Ferraris and Lambos by about 6-8 weeks. He is also closes down the last two weeks of Sept to make his annual trip to Ferrari SPA in Italy for "continuing education/workshops". Give him a try, maybe he can fit you in...
Another possibility is Ray Segale at British/Italian Auto Center. 206.325.7233 unfortunately, he only works in Seattle ONE WEEK per month! Spends the other three in Sun Valley, ID....nice life. He knows 308's real good, used to work when FoS was known as Grand Prix Motors....actually so did Carlo, they worked their together. |
Ron Feaster (Rfeaster)
New member
Username: Rfeaster
Post Number: 11
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 10:23 am: | |
The technical term I was given was "buyer's inspection". I assume this is the same thing as a ppi. As far as what they are checking exactly, I'm not sure. The estimated hours was 8, so that's a little less than $100 per hour. Without the leakdown & compression test the quote was $380. |
Tony Fuisz (Fuiszt)
Junior Member
Username: Fuiszt
Post Number: 127
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 9:17 am: | |
If there is some sort of guaranty with that $750 it might be worth it. Otherwise it seems like a lot. Has anyone ever had a great running ferrari that didn't smoke fail a leakdown/compression test? Hopefully you've driven it and can compare it to other similar cars.
The $750 PPI might be worthwhile if you are trying to use it to drop the purchase price-"FOS says it needs 5K in deferred maintenance" and can expect to get something out of that line of argument. Otherwise find some local person through the seattle f-club. Have you tried calling Tonkin in Portland? They may know someone closer to you. |
Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Intermediate Member
Username: Vwalfa4re
Post Number: 1274
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 9:13 am: | |
Ask what their rate is per hour. If it is $100/hr for Ferrari labor I would make damn sure they spent every bit of the 7.6 hours in the car. |
arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member
Username: Art355
Post Number: 2480
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 9:08 am: | |
ron:
I'd want to know what their doing for the inspection. They may well save you money in the long run, if they are doing more than just looking at the car.
Art |
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Advanced Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 2733
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 8:58 am: | |
SORRY RON
IM FROM NJ.... |
Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
Member
Username: Yelcab1
Post Number: 662
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 8:57 am: | |
Jeez
you are buying a Ferrari and you think mechanics will give you a break? Have you ever had a quote for $2000 for a heads-off-the-block valve job? For comparison, a similar V8 valve job is $195.
I once had a compression check for a Porsche 911 done for ... $50. I now do it for myself. |
Ron Feaster (Rfeaster)
New member
Username: Rfeaster
Post Number: 10
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 8:55 am: | |
I thought this was a bit much too. Does anyone know a place I can get one done in Seattle other than FoS ?? |
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Advanced Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 2732
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 8:49 am: | |
FOR A PPI FOR MY TR...INCLUDING A COMPRESSION TEST, IT COSTS ME 350.00..760.00 IS CRAZY........... |
Russ F (Russf)
Junior Member
Username: Russf
Post Number: 166
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 8:45 am: | |
I paid $250 to Ferrari of Scottsdale for a PPI without compression leakdown tests on a 328. The dealer said that unless omething indicated otherwise on a car with under 30k miles compression tests were not necessary |
Ron Feaster (Rfeaster)
New member
Username: Rfeaster
Post Number: 9
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 8:40 am: | |
Am I naive, or does this seem to be a little "pricey". It's for a 308 including the leakdown & compression tests. |