| Author | Message | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Intermediate Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 1137 Registered: 4-2003 |
A good customer of mine owns a 288 GTO, F40 and F50 (amongst others) and regularly tracks his cars. He was hesitant to buy an Enzo as "where does it stop?" so in the end he said "No" to the Enzo. A couple of weeks later he regretted his decision, called the factory (he has very strong ties with them) and said he changed his mind. Sorry, sold out... Couple of weeks later: the factory calls him, we managed to find you one! He took delivery last weekend and he LOVES it! Calls it the ultimate combination of the F40 & F50. F40 always was faster accelerating in straight line where the roadholding of the F50 was superior to that of the F40. The Enzo is faster in straight line than the F40 AND has a better roadholding than the F50! He's a happy camper now and has an extra set of wheels on order for slick tires so he can track the Enzo without having to worry about street tires. Tracked his F50 on street tires when it was new and wore them out in 600 miles. Apparently the mould for the left front tire had a crack and that tire was NOT available until a new mould was made. He had to wait 3 months for a new set of tires... brand new F50 sitting in the garage waiting for tires was VERY frustrating so now it's slicks for him when he tracks the Enzo! YAHOO! WAY TO GO! And YES, he did promise me a track ride when I'm in the USA next time... GRINNNNNNNNNNNNN :-D Ow... almost forgot the reason why I wanted to write a reply here... He told me he had noticed a rise in F50 prices because collectors want to have the set of 4 Great F Cars complete (288 GTO, F40, F50 & Enzo). Did any of you notice the same? Jack | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 986 Registered: 2-2003 |
Art Astor also has an enormous collection and most are of the classic domestic variety along with his radio collection. There is a second hangar where some other cars are stored and its here where he was keeping his modern favorites. No F-cars that I can remember, though. | ||
| PlayersMarkus (Playersmarkus)
Junior Member Username: Playersmarkus Post Number: 157 Registered: 10-2002 |
interesting subject...let me ask you this : What % of F40,F50 or Enzo owners actually bought the car to use it for what it was built for...driving performance.1%...5%...? So how do you classify the other 95% ? We are constantly looking in the US ( and world ) for supercar owners who actually drive their cars...very very very very rare rare...especially in the US. In fact I dare to say that there are more supercar owners in Japan who really drive their cars than in the US. Markus Playersrun.com | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 937 Registered: 3-2003 |
Guys, half the stuff these guys say is designed to make it into copy. Many if not most of them are hardcore enthusiasts. Relatively few buy them to lock them up. Marconi might have said that he bought two F50s to be different, but he and his son used them. A fair amount. Now, looking at their collection, a fair amount still means relatively few miles on each car, but they certainly did use them well and enjoy them a lot. Still do. •••• Marconi is a proper hardcore enthusiast. He was on TV the other day, talking about his cars, and he talked the most about his racing XJ220 and F50s. Sorry, don't remember any details on the program, only caught the last 15 minutes or so. Rgds, Faisal. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Intermediate Member Username: Psk Post Number: 1035 Registered: 11-2002 |
Lets face it John Suarez the Enzo was made for this sort of BS. Like I have said before a wonderful car the Enzo may be ... I still cannot understand why Ferrari made it. We do not need a street car like that ... what a waste of natural resources! Now a genuine Le Mans challenger, that is what Ferrari should have built IMO ... not an ego flexing trophy. Pete | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Intermediate Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 1013 Registered: 4-2003 |
From my understanding Marconi got both his F50s for about the asking price of one at most dealerships. So yes, for ~730k most people can buy one, somehow he got two for the money.
A guy in SoCal who has an awesome car collection that is open to the public. See this thread for more info and a link to the museum. | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2675 Registered: 8-2002 |
Dr. Lee, aucun probl�me. Veuillez agr�er nos excuses.  | ||
| Dr. Ken Lee (Kenster888)
Member Username: Kenster888 Post Number: 333 Registered: 4-2003 |
Je ne comprend pas francais. Parlez anglais si vous plais. Merci. | ||
| Michael Yip (Mightyslash)
Junior Member Username: Mightyslash Post Number: 218 Registered: 4-2002 |
Who's Marconi? | ||
| G.Peters (Wfo_racer)
Junior Member Username: Wfo_racer Post Number: 210 Registered: 5-2002 |
So what's the problem , he bought it because he can. When Marconi bought his two F 50's he told me , heck anybody can buy just one. As for the comment that in 10 years the car will only have 1500 miles, for me what 's worse than that is sportscar owners who have tires that last over 6 months . | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2673 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mitchel, j'appr�ciais le jeu avec le traducteur quoique je sois certain qu'il m'ait fait appara�tre comme un idiot en parlant en fran�ais. Bonne nuit ! | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 933 Registered: 3-2003 |
Merde! Ma francais, c'est tres mauvais--j'ai oublie beaucoup et il etait dix annees. | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re308 Post Number: 1097 Registered: 6-2001 |
Tellement tr�s vrai. Nous devrions cr�er notre propre langue ! Ayez une belle soir�e Wayne, Dan, Vancooper ! Entretien � vous tout le matin. | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2672 Registered: 8-2002 |
Je comprends. La v�rit�, cependant, est que n'importe qui ici peut traduire nos mots en employant un service de traducteur d'Internet comme j'ai. | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re308 Post Number: 1096 Registered: 6-2001 |
Oui, Puisqu'il est une belle langue, et pas chacun sait ce que nous disons. | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2671 Registered: 8-2002 |
Est-ce que quelqu'un expliquera svp � moi pourquoi nous parlons en fran�ais? | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re308 Post Number: 1094 Registered: 6-2001 |
There is something sinister about black Ferraris that I find irresistable. | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re308 Post Number: 1093 Registered: 6-2001 |
Pourquoi dans le monde ce Fran�ais de tour? Je le pense est tr�s gentil. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1557 Registered: 9-2002 |
I was just joking the other day with a friend about how cool it would be to have only black ferraris. Would be unique, for sure. --Dan | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re308 Post Number: 1092 Registered: 6-2001 |
Bon, bon. J'obtiens un F50 noir ET un noir Enzo pour aller avec mes 308 noirs! Maintenant qu'est tr�s facile! | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1548 Registered: 9-2002 |
Vraiment, Guillaume, mais, il y a quel que chose speciale q'une F50 en jaune. Je ne sais quoi. Rouge es, bien sur, la colour tradionelle. Je sais qu'est ce qu'on fait - Andrew achetez Rouge, Noir a tu, et Jaune a moi? Facile.  --Dan PS: My skills are struggling here. I was on a flight to Paris via airfrance, and I swear I had to spend 2 minutes explaining what a 'poubelle' was because I couldn't remember the word. | ||
| Guillaume (Vancooper)
Junior Member Username: Vancooper Post Number: 115 Registered: 10-2002 |
Certaines Ferrari sont belles en noir, d'autres en jaune et la plupart sont tous belles en rouge! La 550 Maranello est vraiment magnifique en noir, je dirait que la 360 Modena est tr�s sportive et sportive en jaune mais la F50 ou la Enzo sont fabuleuses en rouge, j'aimerai vraiment que Rosso Barchetta soit disponible pour les voitures sp�ciales comme les GTO, La F40 et F50 puisque Rosso Barchetta est la couleur des premi�res Ferrari de course et ces �ditions sp�ciales sont produites pour c�l�brer l'historique de la Scuderia Ferrari | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1556 Registered: 10-2001 |
Dan , As a matter of fact i know twins who are Brunette and who love Ferraris , they even know what a SWB is ..and they love Italia as well.. Maybe i should marry them ! Now we only need the F50 and 550 B ! | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1547 Registered: 9-2002 |
Andrew, Perhaps we should find twins, or clones, take the same trip, Giallo 550B vs. Giallo F50, and see who had a better time! --Dan | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1555 Registered: 10-2001 |
Dan , i love the 550B ! Love it ! And i fear the brunette wont like the harsh ride of an F50 over a 2000 kms trip So we can do the trip with a Giallo F50 you and me ! | ||
| Yoshi Ace (Tiger_ace)
Junior Member Username: Tiger_ace Post Number: 240 Registered: 5-2003 |
I want to read the whole interview to make a judgement on this guy. He may said this as joke for all I know here. I honest believe there's a person like this in the US, too. The subject may not be Enzo, but Nike shoes, some clothes, jewerly, etc. Main point is whether you can afford it or not. I remember when I was in 20's, I couldn't understand people spending $200,000 for a car. Now I can at least understand. BTW, what this guy said about driving Enzo? | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1544 Registered: 9-2002 |
Mais qu'est ce qu'on faire en Paris? Rien. Of course, the drive to St. Tropez... Yes, you were fundamentally wrong in your choice of 550B. F50 topless is a better choice. Giallo con Nero. Nero Con Nero? I am undecided. --Dan | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1554 Registered: 10-2001 |
Dan it depends if you already a red F40, a red 288 GTO and a red Enzo , then its gotta be a red F50. But If its just an F50 , i would go with yellow BTW thanks for asking ..you can ship it to Paris ! | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1541 Registered: 9-2002 |
Dan: Hot shot! Talented photographer, but I can't say anything about the driver... Andrew: Bien...bien. J'ai la meme probleme, avec une F50. Giallo, Rossa ou Nero? Qu'est qu'on peux faire? C'est difficulte, cette vie. --Dan | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
Member Username: Davem Post Number: 441 Registered: 1-2002 |
Since when did anybody buy a Ferrari based on whats logical!? | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1552 Registered: 10-2001 |
Non Dan Je veux une Rosso Corsa con Rosso ..comme celle de mon Fatcha | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1540 Registered: 9-2002 |
Bien sur. Comme idiot a moi? Mais, je pense que tu veux giallo con nero, no? Comme ton 355. --Dan | ||
| Alex Lee (Alxlee)
Junior Member Username: Alxlee Post Number: 227 Registered: 4-2002 |
I don't think he actually says the car is just going to sit. Granted, he's buying it for the wrong reason; however, if you read it closer, "...while my friends owned and drove one." Sounds like he's going to drive it to be seen in it. Guys like this would likely show up to meet his friends in the Enzo just in case they drove theirs...so they don't get shown up. | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1549 Registered: 10-2001 |
Frank , that is probably right but at least the car will start its life with me DAN , its the other way around actually , he has the same as me , just got it before :P | ||
| Dan 360 (Dan360)
Junior Member Username: Dan360 Post Number: 136 Registered: 2-2003 |
Dan, Thanks - I have a whole series of awesome 4MB pictures that were kindly taken of me at Lime Rock this summer. Here's another from the side, at full res you can read the pinifarina logo and see my helmet and gloves through the window, and all that at about 90mph!  | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 3067 Registered: 9-2001 |
My 1982 Boxer had 12k miles on it when I bought it in December 2002. When I had the 30k service done it had a lot of dried out seals that needed replacement as well as all the water hoses. I have also had to replace a bad driveshaft seal, CV joint boots and fusebox all because of age. The previous owner had to replace the shocks in 1999 also due to age. Age deteriorates a car more than miles. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 1564 Registered: 3-2001 |
Frank, how many miles were on your '82 Boxer when you bought it recently? | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 3066 Registered: 9-2001 |
Andrew, but it will cost you $100k or more to replace all the rubber parts that have dried out from non-use. | ||
| Sean F (Agracer)
Member Username: Agracer Post Number: 392 Registered: 2-2003 |
It's his money, why can't he do what he wants with it? You've never bought something you didn't need? EVER? Why does the fact that it's a Ferrari Enzo matter? | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1533 Registered: 9-2002 |
Dan, Not to get O/T, but that is a sweet picture in your profile! --Dan | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Intermediate Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 1114 Registered: 2-2002 |
I hope DES doesn't see this thread he might just go and get a ticket to Japan and drive that car for that guy | ||
| Dan 360 (Dan360)
Junior Member Username: Dan360 Post Number: 135 Registered: 2-2003 |
In defense of Japan here, having lived both there for 3 yrs and here in the US for 2+ yrs now and been active in Fast car circles. There is a very similar dichotomy in car collector circles. There are both the people that stick their cars in a museum and never drive, but also those that stick every mile they can on their car. Just round the corner from where I lived in Tokyo was a guy that had a street 355 covered in stickers for Brakes, Dampers etc. I regularly saw him on the street with it & even followed him onto the expressway. Lord knows what he had as an exhaust (I assume straight pipes), but everytime he downshifted for slow traffic a large burst of flame came from all 4 pipes! (and yes I was chasing him in my car!) In my experience cars have a funny way of pulling together enthusiasts from different cultures. And lets face it of the 399 Enzos how many anywhere in the world are really going to get driven hard? I know my 360 CS is going to get a some serious use, but I think this is the first extreme F-car since the f40 where this will happen to a good proportion of the cars made. This to me is purely a factor of the number made, and who can purchase them. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1532 Registered: 9-2002 |
Andrew...bad. Black, buddy boy. Black! Besides, tu ne peux pas avoir la meme que ton pere... (I know, my french is very bad) --Dan | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1548 Registered: 10-2001 |
Well thats a good thing at least this Enzo will be as new when i will be able to afford one. I hope its LHD and Red .. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2541 Registered: 10-2002 |
Mark, all very well said. I once read the book "Bluff your way into Japan.". Kinda confirms your statements and then some. Also have to fully agree with Frank. Compare that to the guy who was recently in one of the car mags with his Enzo, who is making a point out of driving it daily etc. We need more Glickenhaus guys and less collectors! | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 925 Registered: 10-2001 |
I love Japan. It is so hard for me to think like they do. It is such an interesting social fish bowl. I watch in bewilderment and fascination every time Japanese issues come along. There seems to be an opposite set of values from the one's I grew up with. I was raised to respect the- Maverick, Creativity, Rebellion, and Individualism. Honor, Obedience, fitting in...these are the traits the Japanese seem to hold in the highest regard. And brand name an celebrity worship is out of control in Japan. This Enzo story makes so much sense in Japan. Honor and esteem before Logic or reason. I would have self-destructed if I were born in Japan. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 3065 Registered: 9-2001 |
And what's worse is that in 10 years the car will only have 1500 miles or so. | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 829 Registered: 3-2002 |
I haven't posted here in a few weeks, but this really pressed my buttons. Here is a quote from the bridgestone website. It is from an interview they did with a new Enzo owner. Sounds pretty pathetic to me. You be the judge! ----------------------------------------------- The Enzo owner who lives in Nagoya is the man who got hold of one of the first five Enzos registered in Japan. Why he continues to buy special Ferraris starting with " F40" and "F50"? How did he feel when he first drove Enzo? "Well, to be honest, Enzo Ferrari is not a car anyone can buy just because one decides to buy it. First of all, one must qualify for it. You may call it a sense of competition among the fellow Ferrari fans. I bought the car because some of my friends decided to buy it, and I succumbed to the temptation to buy the car because I simply could not tolerate the situation of me not having Enzo while my friends owned and drove one." |