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Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Post Number: 2595
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Posted on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - 11:47 am:   

Yeah, that is too much. Oh well. We already got lots of footage and finally I'll have time to go through it.
Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - 11:33 am:   

Andreas,

Unfortunately, I didn't win the auction. The reserve was not met at the last bid of $563.00US

I couldn't justify the cost at that point! Oh well, let's see what happens next!
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 11:46 pm:   

Keeping them crossed, Lawrence.

PS: Only about half a year ago I tossed a perfectly good 16mm projector, because I thought I would never do any 16mm work again. Duh!
Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
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Posted on Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 12:23 pm:   

Andreas, I don't have a 16mm setup but I'll be happy to send the film to you for digitizing if I win! Keep your fingers crossed...
Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
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Posted on Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 8:28 am:   

Yeah, there is something that LOOKS like a Ferrari in the background but it IS a Porsche advertising poster and I agreed with Ferrari not to be selling competitor's products on www.FerrariStuff.com.... ;-)

Jack
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 7:28 pm:   

Cool, Jack. But I think it does have a Ferrari amongst the cars shown on it, doesn't it? (Don't have it with me, just from memory).

Lawrence, in case you win the 16mm film, I'm happy to convert it to digital for you. Because Jack sent me a bunch of short 16mm films, I bought a 16mm project to convert them, but you probably got your own setup already?

Jeff, I didn't read that thread, but will check out your tape. Now that I'm done with my big project (my own movie) I have time and PC resources again for the F1 footage. So I'll check that out shortly etc.
Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
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Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 3:17 pm:   

We also have the poster back in stock but I haven't listed it at www.FerrariStuff.com as it has no Ferrari theme.

However,I have listed on another website of ours, www.TheNurburgring.com.

The poster is actually an Porsche AG authorized reprint of the poster that porsche themselves issued in 1960.

It uses the same image as the one that was used by the Nurburgring on the posters and programs of that era.

The speedgear price is $ 29.99, member price 26.99 + handling + shipping + lalalalala.

Our price is US$ 24.99, handling, packing (in a sturdy cardboard tube) & shipping included. Mention your FerrariChat profile name in the comments box of your order and get an additional 10% discount!

You can find it here:
http://www.thenurburgring.com/index.html?target=p_3.html&lang=en-us

We also have ONE program for the 1963 Nurburgring Grand Prix in stock now (it took some searching).

US$ 99.99 (packing, handling & shipping included.

That one can be found here:
http://www.thenurburgring.com/index.html?target=p_40.html&lang=en-us

Jack Habits
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Jeff B. (Miltonian)
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Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 12:59 pm:   

Say, Andreas: I meant to ask you - did you see the thread recently from someone who wanted to know if anyone had a copy of the old Goodyear TV commercial with Enzo and "Because Mr. Ferrari WANTS it that way"?? I'm pretty sure that the Dallas Grand Prix tape I sent to you includes that commercial at some point. Do you suppose you could scan the tape sometime (no rush) and find out if it's there? He wanted to know if the car shown was a 308 or a TR, I don't remember for sure. Jeff
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 12:32 pm:   

Lawrence, I'm glad you liked it. I learnt a good deal about making a DVD...

BTW: I noticed the other day, that www.speedgear.com offers the official picture from the 63 Nuerburgring as a full size poster.
Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
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Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 11:59 pm:   

Andreas,

I got the dvd the other day and I have to say it's fantastic! The clarity is awesome. I'm glad you added all the other stuff to it, it made it easy to follow what's going on. Thanks!

BTW, I'm currently trying to win an Ebay auction on an original 16mm film on the 1977 Canadian GP which was Gilles first race in a Ferrari. This film was apparently produced for Labatts Brewery and is 33 minutes long.

I'll let you know how it goes...
Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
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Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 8:19 pm:   

I am not sure if it was from the same interview, but Bernie also said that he wanted a GP with a straight going down the main drag of Las Vegas - how great would that be? On second thought, it might have been in New York, past the twin towers, or maybe both.
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 7:15 am:   

Jon,

well I have been to all 4 USGPs as well and have to say this one was the lowest key in many ways. I don't agree with your friend who called practice a ghosttown. He probably said that because they cordoned off entire sections for seating. Yeah that looked like ghost town, but still there were lots of folks.

There were tons of people. Also on race day. Yes the stands were emptier than before, but still it must have been a massive turnout. It's just that this stadium is so freakin gigantic, that it can probably hold three times as many people as show up. For Indy conditions the turn up was lousy, but compared to a European GP it still was as good as it gets.

As far as the crowd goes I would say there were a lot less Europeans than in the beginning, but a lot more Americans now picking up the sport. Granted many of them are clueless (not trying to be arrogant, just reporting on some of the conversations I heard around me), but they were cheering for their car and driver nonetheless. That's great news for a new grass roots movement!

As I mentioned below, the show itself was extremely and disturbingly and disappointingly low key with all the stuff that was missing. It did give the impression, that they basically are abandoning ship.

I also talked to some track workers and they are indeed worried, that after 2004, when the contract expires, they might loose this race here altogether.

Personally I wouldn't mind too much. I love Indy as a town and it is nearby for me, but I'd rather see racing being done on a real track like Laguna Seca or the Glen. Indy is good for the spectators, but sucks as a track. We had one terrific race, but that was because of the rain and the WC battle, not because of the track.

Also read an interview with Bernie who thinks the US should have two GPs to better penetrate the market. One on each coast would be great. We'll see.
MFZ (Kiyoharu)
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Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 9:42 pm:   

I noticed that the stands aren't as packed as the previous year's races from the TV feed.
Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
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Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 7:56 pm:   

Andreas,

Did you get the feeling that the US GP might get either axed or moved somewhere else? I heard rumors but nothing concrete that Laguna wants the race but isn't sure it wants to plunk down an estimated 6-10 million to renovate the track (in addition to the 13-15 million they have to pay Bernie).

The Challenge series was never a favorite of Tony George. In fact he considered nothing more than an amateur series with little benefit to the weekend. He effectively doubled the entry fee to FNA this year in hopes it would send them off which it did. To be honest the whole Challenge series is in trouble. We had 13 cars on the starting grid for Lime Rock's 360 feature race. Two got taken out early, two ran away from the field and the spectators were left with only 7 cars really racing each other.

My friend who has been to all 4 US GP's said this years seemed very low key. He said practive was like a ghost town with no fans.

What's your take on this?

Regards,

Jon
Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
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Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 7:50 pm:   

Anthony,

Sorry I don't check this part of F chat as much as I should.

No hurry on the tapes. Andreas and I are both busy so no big deal. I have every weekend (and some weekdays) booked from now until end of October running the 355 in either track events or racing my spec racer.

Regards,

Jon
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 5:20 pm:   

Sometimes one gets lucky:

Found a review of F1 in the shops around Indianapolis Motor speedway: 1956!

Amazing. Was there all by itself just waiting for me.

Anthony, no wine bottles this year. Didn't find anything. Have to contact the company directly but it seems as if they didn't continue the tradition. Kinda was true for the whole Indy GP:

Everything was toned down, very sad:

No Ferrari Challenge series
No Historic F1 race cars
No F1 cars on display within the teams merchandise area

Even the Paddock club shrunk to about 1/5 of its former size (not that I had the pleasure to check that out for myself, but I looked at its new fences).
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Friday, September 05, 2003 - 9:40 am:   

Ahh, I see. You'd like to continue the collection.

Copy that. I'll definitely get the #4 bottle of the series. So I'll get two in that case.

PS: I did drink one of the two Imola wines you gave me. Was a tad bitter. I think they're best left in the showcase...
Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
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Posted on Friday, September 05, 2003 - 9:04 am:   


quote:

I'll return the favor at the Indy GP.




A bottle of wine might be nice! I've never seen Monza wine, but I'll have a look. If you manage to get me some Indy wine I could pick it up in Barcelona next year.
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Friday, September 05, 2003 - 8:46 am:   

Anthony,

don't kill yourself over this. You're doing US a favor, so don't worry. Perfecting the Schumacher helmet as well as digitizing all these videos for me clearly is a winter project. So no rush.

Would be cool if you could throw in some cheap Monza trinket. Anything that says Monza GP on it will do...

I'll return the favor at the Indy GP.
:-)
Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
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Posted on Friday, September 05, 2003 - 8:40 am:   

Jon/Andreas I haven't sent your parcels yet. I'm really sorry but it has been very busy the last few days. I don't think I'll have time to sort this out before Wednesday when we fly to Italy for the GP. I'll post the videos and visor to you upoon my return and I'll try to get you some cheap souvineer of the trip.
Apologies again, but I will get this stuff sent to you before Indy!
Jack (Gilles27)
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Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 4:53 pm:   

Excitement builds...
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 4:32 pm:   

Good news:

Today I received the 81, 82 and 86 reviews and the laps of the gods 1 and 2!
Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 7:44 pm:   

Wow, you guys really are awesome :-)

When DVD's get made/tapes get copied please let me know prices!
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 3:49 pm:   

Anthony, what can I say? SUPERCALIFRAGILISTICEXPEALIDOCOUS!!!

YOU DA MAN!
Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 3:14 pm:   

Jon, I've just e-mailed you. Managed to get 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1989, 1992, and 1995. Also got a good price.
I asked about the other videos and he only has ones showing Prost's victories. He will keep an eye out for other interesting videos.
Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 9:03 am:   

The e-mail is probably waiting for me at home. I'll ring the shop tonight. It'll be cheaper than getting them from Duke as he gives me a nice discount! Will PM you when I know what I can get and what the price will be. I think I might have 1995.
Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 7:26 am:   

Whoops!

Actually sent it to your email address you included last message. Here is a copy:

Anthony,

I have checked the Duke Video website and it appears that the following "F1 Year in Review" years are still available: 1983, 1984, 1985 and 1992.
I have checked with Paypal and it appears that I can make payment to you in pounds. What I will need to know ahead of time is what additional VAT tax will be and shipping costs.

You will need to go to the website www.dukevideo.com and get me a total. I will pay you through Paypal ahead of time and then you can send the tapes to me. If you can get an accurate quote of shipping to the United States I will include that amount with the payment.


It appears that Duke doesn't have "F1 Year in Review" for the years 87,89, and 95. Can you find these?

Regards,

Jon

Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 7:19 am:   

Jon, the last message I got from you said "I will get you my list by this evening".

I asked Richard (at the F1 Shop) about Villeneuve videos. He said he'd have a look. I'll ring him tonight to ask about Senna and anything else that might be of interest.
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 7:16 am:   

I was a big Prost fan, but a tape per race? Nah. Won't do that.

Safe trip to Rachel! And good luck to her.
:-)
Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 6:59 am:   

Anthony sent you a private email through F Chat let me know what I own you and where to send the money.

Let me think over the Prost videos. Too bad it's not Senna.

Regards,

Jon
Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 2:57 am:   

I went to my local F1 Shop last night and saw something of interest. They are selling tapes of 49 of Alain Prosts 51 victories. Each tape contains 1 full race, taped from the TV, sometimes with qualifying as well. At 15 per tape it would cost 735!!
Jon, the guy at the shop said he should be able to do a deal on the Duke videos. They are normally priced at 15 each. Let me know which ones you want and I'll try to get the price down. As my wife flew to Hungary this morning to work for the F1 Shop he owes us some favours!
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 10:47 am:   

My "wife" is actually my girl friend and she sorta knew about my various obsessions going into the deal...

I'm not too worried about the tint issue. Just happy to see the old cars in action. It's only funny when you see the drivers in interviews: They're all apparently suffering from high blood pressure.

Still interested in individual races. To some degree that is, but the one with Berger in Imola is definitely something I'd like to have. I remember watching that live on TV and how my blood froze seeing that fireball thinking that the driver was instantly incinerated. Glad I was wrong.
Jeff B. (Miltonian)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 9:46 am:   

Your wife is going to hate me, isn't she?

Glad you are enjoying the stuff I sent. I really feel bad about the "tint" problem, hopefully I might have access to the originals this week. And who knows what else I might uncover when I talk with Pete.

If you have all of the season review tapes, will you still be interested in individual races? I checked one of them over the weekend, and it contained Berger's horrendous crash at Imola. Yowch! I'd forgotten what a bonehead that Brian Williams character who hosted the races for Canadian TV could be. What a "name dropper"!
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 8:32 am:   

Some more braggin' time:

Watched the 1970 season last night (from Jeff) and it dawned on me on what a treasure chest I'm currently sitting: Awesome footage, some great (finally I get to see the Ferrari in action, I was too young at the time to follow it on TV), some sad (Jochen Rindt) and all of it from a different world where reporters stood on the side of the street with no armcos, fences, tires or sandtraps. Unreal and fantastic! The commentator is hilarious, he 'explains' F1: "And another season starts, where every driver has zero points at the beginning." Whoa! I didn't realize...
:-)

You guys are gonna like this!
Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 12:41 am:   

Scratch 92 off the list Duke video sill shows it as available through the UK.

That leaves us missing 89. Still searching.

Jon
Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 12:35 am:   

Guys, it looks like with the kind help of Anthony I can fill the void from 83 through 85 and I am checking other places to look for 89 and 92 as well.

Jon
Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
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Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 7:13 pm:   

Andreas,

the footage is on the way to you by Priority Mail.

Jack
Jack (Gilles27)
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Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 6:55 pm:   

Andreas, let me know if I can contribute anything to the cause; supplies, time, beer, etc.
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 6:27 pm:   

Jeff,

many thanks for your package. Got here safe and sound. Looked at some of the seventies footage. As you said, reddish tint, but I think all TV footage from that time now looks like this. I have NASA tapes from that period and they look partly the same. Oh well, but I got really a kick out of watching the old cars. So cool! Many thanks.

Now all be please patient. This is gonna take forever to transfer. Jeff was also nice enough to throw in some extra goodies.
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 10:19 am:   

Anthony, good to have you on board. I'll cover your part of the 63 film, don't worry (you guys are working for me in Hungary, quit pro quo).

That go kart thing in France is awesome. Forgot the name of the place, but it is famous: At the end of the season they used (maybe still do) to come together racing go karts against each other for charity. There is even a Michel Vaillant episode about it (for the comic fans). Would love to see that tape.

Here's what I got:
70 - 79 hopefully soon from Jeff
73 as a separate tape
79-82 some races, focused on Villeneuve
81, 82, 86, 88, 90, 91, 93-2002 annual review
2 tapes with onboard camera (laps of the Gods)

So really missing is 80, 83-85, 87, 89 and 92. Not too bad for over 30 years of F1.

On DVD at this moment I got zippo. But that's about to change, albeit slowly.
Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
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Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 10:08 am:   

Jon, I've already replied to your thread in 'Off Topic' and PM'd you about the Duke videos. I'll be glad to help.

Andreas, I'd love to be involved in the '63 thing so let me know if you need any money and how much (and what currency!).
Last year at Goodwood I bought 50 VHS PAL videos from a stall (Rachael was delighted!). They are all F1 and other motorsport taped from TV. All of the choicest vids had gone (there was qualifying for Donington '93, but not the race) but I'll have a look through tomight and list what I've got. The quality of some of them is terrible though.
I have a tape of a go-karting event in France with Schumacher/Prost/Senna etc all racing against each other and drivers from other racing categories - really good stuff, and it shows just why the F1 guys are the best.
Can you let me know what you now have on DVD as I might be asking you to do some copies for me?
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 8:14 am:   

Jack, no problem. I started this thread not to promote piracy of copyright protected tapes. If I can buy a tape legally, I'll always do so. It is more for the stuff you can't get anywhere else.

And yes eventually I would like to put this all onto DVD, but that will take some time. It is a tedious process.
Jack (Gilles27)
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Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 6:13 pm:   

Andreas, I've got the "Gods" tapes. I wish I knew you were looking. Are you going to convert any of these to DVD? I'd be happy to split costs with you for a copy...
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 2:25 pm:   

YAHOOO!!! It's braggin' time:

Just won the F1 reviews for 1981, 1982 and 1986 on ebay. Also won the two tapes 'Laps of the Gods' (no, not about strippers), on board camera shots from F1 in the eighties.

Absolutely phenomenal! Jeff, I'll be able to 'reimburse' you for your extra efforts.
:-)
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 12:50 pm:   

Jeff,

many, many thanks, I'll keep you posted about the arrival.

Andreas
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 12:41 pm:   

Jon, it is always worth a try. I have btw 91 and 92 (purchased in the US). And I'm bidding on 81 and 82 currently on ebay, keeping my fingers crossed. But pls go ahead and try your luck. If nobody answers we could tap into Anthony 'Ferrari' a fellow Fchatter and meanwhile a good friend of mine.

Jack, sorry to hear about your troubles. I was not surprised, that the Euro prices were ridiculous. Stuff like this is hands down less expensive in the US. I'll double check with my lab, but I'm quite certain they include the sound.
I will skip the conversion to BETA though. There is really no point in doing that and wasting quality on yet another in between medium. After all we want the end result on DVD (or VHS), so going straight to Digital makes a lot more sense. Especially in the light, that DV uses a better resolution than DVD, so we're not loosing by going to DV, but eventually by going to DVD, but such is life.

I sugges you send it to my address in the States (I'll send you the address by separate email). As far as the costs are concerned: I'll foot the bill and then everybody who wants in on the deal can get their own copy from me by paying his share. So the more people want a copy, the cheaper it gets. We'll keep that window of opportunity open for a month and then we call it a day.
Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
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Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 10:37 am:   

Guys check my post at: http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/132929/304139.html?1061099513

Duke Video in the UK sells "F1 Year in Review" and has the following seasons for sale in the UK (not available in the US):

81-86 and 91 and 92.

I am trying to get some one in the UKn to buy them for me. I too have a multi player VCR.

Regards,

Jon P. Kofod
1995 F355 Challenge #23
Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
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Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 7:40 am:   

Hi Guys,

sorry that it took so but I had a less pleasant event in the family which I had to take care of.

I checked here in Holland in the mean time and prices are... uh... rediculous...

So I guess, if we all still want to do it, we have to go for the best option in the USA / Canada.

I did get a little wiser about the "how" though.

The aparatus used for converting 35mm to Beta (most widely used standard in professional video systems) in a Cineflex or Cineplex but since the footage has a sound track, it calls for one that can register that simultaneously. I understand that some extra equipment is needed for that. It would be a shame to skip the sound.

The Beta can then easily be converted to DVD.

Andreas I got your message.

To whom do I send the footage?

Once again sorry for my absence but family did prevail in this case.

Jack
Jeff B. (Miltonian)
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Posted on Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 4:15 pm:   

Andreas: Update time.

I put a batch of tapes in the mail to you today (Saturday). These are the 1970-79 tapes, plus a couple of others (surprises that you may or may not be interested to see). I took a quick look at some of the individual race tapes, and found things recorded that were not as marked, so I need to go through the bookcase and put the correct tapes into the correct boxes. Some of the ones I noted earlier MAY have been recorded over, I hope not.

Pete is at the Historics in California, so I won't be able to contact him until the middle of next week, OK?

Package should arrive on Monday or Tuesday.
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 5:07 pm:   

Haven't heard back from Jack Habits yet, so the 63 deal might be out the window anyway.

From the other seasons, nothing is really tangible yet, but we got some good things lined up between Jeff, Lawrence and myself. Will keep everybody posted.

BTW: Also currently bidding on a FIA 86 tape. So chances are you guys won't have to listen to a German commentator.
:-)
Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 4:00 pm:   

So what exactly is available now? I can't say that I am too keen on 60 bucks for 5 minutes of footage... but if someone is making copies of some of the VHS tapes, and it wouldn't be too much trouble, I would be greatly appreciative if I could get my hands on some copies. Thanks a lot you guys.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 1:55 pm:   

Good news: Found some more reviews on ebay, currently the high bidder for 81 and 82 season as well for two tapes 'Lap of the Gods' all in car perspective around the various tracks.
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Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 - 12:47 pm:   

Andreas,

He's converting them to DVD in NTSC format for me before he sends them out. He's a computer guy too.

He's got 3 G. Villeneuve programs on one DVD for me.
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 3:35 pm:   

Just forgot, you're a computer guy too, so you should be all set: Your DVD drive on your PC can read/write PAL and with some software you can take out the country code (and even the macrovision if need be).
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Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 3:33 pm:   

Lawrence, that's great news!

Hope your DVD player can deal with the country code and PAL (I presume). If not, you can forward them to me.
Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
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Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 3:22 pm:   

I just heard back from my friend in London. He's sending me DVD copies of the tapes I mentioned earlier (I hope) so once they get here, I'll check them out and keep you guys posted.
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Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 2:28 pm:   

Congrats Andreas! It will be interesting to see what they're like!
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 1:31 pm:   

Oops, did I say hours? Seconds rather. Done.

GOT THE EBAY TAPES!

:-) :-) :-)
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 1:29 pm:   

Jeff, you got mail, thank you.
I agree, none of this is terribly urgent. It also will take me a while to put the DVDs together.

Jeff, I also agree with your approach to Pete, fully understandable, so let's start with your copies first. We should rather get his signature, being an ex GP driver...

...a few more hours to go on ebay
:-)
Jeff B. (Miltonian)
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Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 10:56 am:   

Andreas: I watched the Dallas '84 race last night, the tape is fine. I'm prepared to pop all of this into a box and send it to you tomorrow if you will PM your address to me. As it has been sitting on a shelf untouched for several years, I'm not a hurry to get it back right away. I'm waiting on a response from Pete about the original tapes of 1970-79, I can send you my copies now if you wish. I would prefer not to ask Pete for permission to send his originals, unless he offers it up himself, so I would be making new copies of those, which would take some time.

"You the boss", just tell me what I can do for you.
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 10:43 am:   

It is funny how we often look at the past through some pink glasses: We lament the boring races of today and dwell on the turbos and the cigar like cars of the sixties. Well, I'm currently reading about the sixties and it ain't fun to see how one great driver after another gets killed. Kimi's accident in Hockenheim would probably have been a deadly one in those days.

And as I'm watching the mighty turbos of 86 duking it out, I also look in total disbelief how they come to a crawl in the last lap and how unracing like the chips are falling: The cars drive at 20 mph zig zagging as the drivers desperately try to squeeze the last drop of fuel out of the tank. Is that racing?

So I love to watch these old races, but cherish what we have today: It was never better nor worse, it is what it is.
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Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 10:20 am:   

Thanks guys! I just want to show my children (when I have them!) what real racing was all about!
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Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 8:17 am:   

Thanks Jeff, in Chicago.

Lawrence, no worries, we won't let anybody on this thread down. Promise.
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Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 3:49 pm:   

Andreas: I'm checking with Pete's daughter to see if he has email, should know something by Monday. In the meantime, I'll take a look at some of the other review tapes to see how the quality looks. I don't know if the purple tint is from a bad taping job (by me), or if it's on the original, or if the tape has deteriorated, or what? I think the race tapes will be OK, I'll find out soon. Where are you located for mailing this stuff to you? Lawrence, I'm giving Andreas first shot at this, since it's his thread, but I won't forget about you.
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 2:07 pm:   

Jack, thanks for the offer. I'm still in the lead. Let's keep our fingers crossed. Don't need a wingman for the acution, but maybe splitting the costs wouldn't hurt.

Yes, I intend on making DVDs from all of this. So Jeff, I wouldn't want to burden you with making VHS copies (too painful), but I would do the DVD multiplication. Glad there is no Copyright on this stuff.

I'm with Lawrence. In a perfect world I would get the 'originals' from Pete (via Jeff) and make my digital copy off those. But in a less perfect world I'm willing to go with copies of the originals. Whatever is logistically possible.

BTW: I'm still transferring my 1986 tape. Holy cow, I taped about 3 hours just for that season, didn't remember that. Amazing footage, remember those were the days when the turbos run out of fuel in the last couple of laps. Want to see Prost desperately pushing his car over the start/finish line in Hockenheim?
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Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 1:09 pm:   

Hi Jeff,

I'm definitely interested in the individual races as well as the season reviews. Unfortunately I don't have the equipment that Andreas has to transfer onto DVD which personally I prefer.

If it's not too much trouble, yes by all means see if Pete has the originals.

BTW guys, I'm still waiting for a reply from my UK friend on his tapes.
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Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 12:53 pm:   

Hi, Guys:

Sorry, I've been busy. Not enough hours in the weekend. I took a look at the first tape (70-73), at least the 1970 portion of it, and I was pretty disappointed. For some reason, the whole thing seems to have a purple-ish tint to it, which is annoying. And the production values are terrible compared with what they do these days - the tape skips over several races, and mainly concentrates on Jochen Rindt, since they know he would be dead at the end of the season. It's amazing that anybody survived those seasons, the conditions are appalling!!!

So - I had completely forgotten that I had these. I must have taped these myself from originals probably loaned to me by Pete Lovely when I was working at his VW store in 1981 (?). I can loan you the tapes I have, or I can try to find out if Pete still has the originals so I could make new copies. Pete is local to me.

Are you only interested in the season reviews, or in some/all of the individual race tapes? I'm open to your requests, but obviously I can't take time to make a whole bunch of VHS copies. One of you can transcribe to DVD and take it from there. By the way, I didn't see any copyright info on the tape I viewed, but I don't have the original package.

Jeff
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Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 12:01 pm:   

Let me know if you need a wingman on the auction. Are you converting all of your race tapes to DVD? If so, I wouldn't mind copying those.
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 4:33 pm:   

So where do we stand on all these deals?

Jeff? Jack Habits?

Not to toot my horn too much, but I'm currently transfering and digitizing my PAL 1986 season video to NTSC digital tape (in preparation to burn a DVD). I'm watching the tape from time to time (it is running as I type this) and have to say, this is a heck of a season: Rosberg and Prost in the mighty Mc Laren, Mansel in the fast Williams and Senna fighting to the nth degree in an outclassed Lotus. Tons and tons of battles on the brakes and I'm even surprised at the quality: I taped this off the TV and edited 'mechanically' with two VCRs, but it isn't that bad. Even the transitions are ok, must have been really smooth on that pause button.

Still leading the Villeneuve tape auctions, so happy and ready to trade.
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 12:36 pm:   

Just learned a thing about region codes for DVD:

Not an issue really. If you burn your own DVD (like in this case) you simply select 'region free' and it can be played anywhere (assuming you got the right NTSC or PAL version).

It is only an issue when you try to copy an existing DVD, which we're not trying to do here.
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 11:15 am:   

Don't know whether the seller has any more tapes, but one would think so. That's why I won't go bezerk bidding. I bet even if I loose he'll be back with another freshly made set. After all he claims to have put them together himself.

I contacted the seller btw asking for more tapes of other races, but didn't get a real answer.

No, there are several tifosi* on ebay, I'm not the one selling stuff. I know he is from Chicago too and I've actually dealt with him in the past. Good guy. But I never sell anything on ebay (too much hassle).
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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 11:14 am:   

I HAVE to run. Will reply tonight. Regards, Jeff
Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 11:11 am:   

Yes, I see you're still in the lead, fingers crossed :-)

Has the seller got any more tapes?

I'll have my friend ship a copy of the tapes as is here (if I got him to do the transfer it will take a looooong time. He's very busy).

BTW. I didn't realize until recently you're tifosi1 in Ebay! I keep seeing some of the great stuff you've put up on auction and I wanted to bid on them but you only ship within the US!
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 11:01 am:   

Lawrence, I'm bidding on those Villeneuve tapes on ebay right now. Still in the lead.

As I mentioned before: I have the transfer equipment for PAL/NTSC (and Secam etc) as well as the transfer stuff for VHS and DVD. So whatever tapes we can collect, we have the means to make them into what we need.
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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 10:58 am:   

Wow Jeff! Fantastic! Let me know what the first three tapes are like.

Great find!

I'm contacting a friend of mine in London, England and he's got a bunch of tapes too. I remember seeing a couple on Gilles Villeneuve which I've never come across before (Italian and German, I believe). I think one of the tapes had the famous race between Gilles and the Italian air force's F104 Starfighter.

His friend owns a video store which can convert PAL to NTSC

I'll fire him an email this weekend.
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 10:58 am:   

Jeff, you got mail.
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 10:53 am:   

Cool does not even begin to describe it!!!

absofantastoriginalisticexpealidociusmatagoristic!

How about if I transfer them onto DVDs?
Jeff B. (Miltonian)
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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 10:40 am:   

Hey, Grand Prix nuts:

I think I may have found some "treasure". I have a bookcase behind a couch, and lots of old tapes on it - haven't looked at them for years. I just found the following items:

1) Grand Prix Racing 1970-1973
2) Grand Prix Racing 1974-1977
3) Grand Prix Racing 1978-1979 and 1984
4) Canadian GP 1985
5) Detroit GP 1985
6) Australian GP 1985
7) Australian GP 1986
8) San Marino GP 1989
9) Monaco GP 1989
10) Australian GP 1989
11) Monaco GP 1991
12) Canadian GP 1991

At the moment I'm not sure what I have. I THINK the first three items listed are official season review tapes, or copies that I made from the originals. I'll check this weekend. Cool, huh??
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 1:52 pm:   

Yes, my estimate was about 5 and a half minute based on your 500 feet.

The company I talked to is a professional shop. The price includes cleaning of the film (making sure there is no dust), putting beginning and end taps on it and of course the transfer onto Mini DV tape. Mini DV is what I use personally; it is better than VHS, already digital and I can directly transfer it to my PC from where I can make DVDs or VHS tapes.

I don't think you'll find a better price, but if you find at least a similar one, it might be worth it as it would safe us the back and forth of the original through mail.
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Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 1:40 pm:   

I also made some phonecalls overhere to see what the possibilities and specifics are.

The reel has a core of appriximately 2 inches diameter. The mass of footage itself measures some 7 inches in diameter which of course includes the core.

Rough estimate is still some 500 ft.

35mm is cinema film which explains the rather high quality.

35mm runs ate 24 frames per second (!). I measured the length of 24 frames and that is about 1.5 ft. Assuming 500 ft. in total, this means a "clip" of slightly less than 6 minutes, probably less (around 5 or so).

Tomorrow I am going to call some companies overhere that do conversions to video (seems that it first needs to go to video and then to DVD.

The technique used for conversion to video is as follows: the film is run through a projector and a digital camera picks the image right off the lens. This is than converted to a "flowing image" which is recorded on tape. From video, the conversion to DVD seems to be quite straightforward.

Jack
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Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 10:37 am:   

Pete sold the TR59 to McCaw a few years ago (so McCaw has two of the four cars made!). He still has the Lotus 49 F1, and the Lotus 69 F2, and a Lotus 11.
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Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 10:25 am:   

Hi Andreas, I'm still in. $60 is nothing compared to the history we're preserving.

BTW, the company I talked to sends the film to another company in Vancouver for the conversion since they only convert up to 16mm, but I didn't want the original off-site and out-of-sight so no go here.

Jeff, the 1981 season will be fantastic! I can't wait to get a copy of everything on DVD! Does Pete Lovely own a 50's TR BTW?

Also, anybody with vintage 50's and 60's GPs?
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Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 10:22 am:   

Pete was telling me a great story about visiting the archives in the basement at Jacques Swaters' in Belgium. He just happened to come across some film of the 1953 Mille Miglia, taken by Nick Mason's father. Pete used to own one of the Ferraris from this event, a car featured in "The Racers" with Kirk Douglas.
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Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 10:10 am:   

Yes, pls talk to Pete. Obviously he can do the conversion himself, but I got all the other goodies to turn them into DVDs if need be. At any rate, keep that contact warm!
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 10:07 am:   

Jeff,

absolutely! The 81 season? Great! I'm actually bidding on ebay on some PAL tapes covering some 81 races with a focus on Gilles Villeneuve, but it ain't the whole season. Maybe we can combine the two tapes into one epic saga.

My 86 season was also taped off the TV and I edited it in a rather primitive way: Didn't have any real equipment, so it is VCR to VCR using the Pause button. Oh well, better than nothing. I can certainly make you a copy onto NTSC as well. Send me an email with your address please and we'll get that ball rolling.

'86 is btw an interesting year (similar situation to this year): The Williams team dominated with Piquet and Mansell, both having a great chance at taking the title. Prost on the Mc Laren was the outsider. But Williams didn't set any team orders and so his two drivers snatched the points from each other, handing the title to Prost.
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Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 10:04 am:   

Another thought: I was talking with Pete Lovely (ex-Grand Prix driver) a couple of weekends ago. He told me that he had purchased one of the video format conversion machines. Anyway, I think he has a bunch of the old F1 season tapes, I'll ask him.
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Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 10:00 am:   

Hi, Andreas:

Looking through my stuff this morning, I see that I also have a copy of "Start to Finish: The Story of the 1981 F1 World Championship Season". Interested?

I will look at my tape of Dallas race to make sure it is OK and get back to you. I can make a copy, no problem. This was recorded off the TV, so it has commercials. There was a segment on this race in Nigel Roebuck's column in Autosport a couple of weeks ago.
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Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 9:30 am:   

Alright, I talked to the place in Chicago and they would do the transfer of the 500 feet (as Jack indicated) for $ 275 (assuming it really is about 500 feet).

So who is still in? So far we had:
Jack Habits
Andreas
Lawrence
Jack Gilles
Rikky

So if everybody chips in 60 bucks, that should pretty much do the trick. I would make a VHS or DVD copy for each (your choice) and send them out to you. Of cours Jack Habits would get his footage back.

BTW: Jack Habits, I was wondering how you'd feel if we cut out 5 frames from the beginning of the film? I could look into having each frame individually put into some lucite casing along with an engraving stating the date and place of the race. Just an idea. I have a similar frame from the Imax movie Speed. Way cool I think. If interested I could look into that cost as well.
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Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 8:33 am:   

Jeff, can we make a swap? I offer you the 86 season for Dallas 84. Sounds like a good deal, doesn't it?

...oops, did I mention my season has German commentators...Anyway, would love to get a copy of that race. And I hope you beat your friend up.

OTOH I have to admit I had my 86 season in my former basement in Europe for the last 15 years without even thinking about it. Silly me.
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Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 1:12 am:   

I still have a tape of the infamous Dallas Grand Prix of 1984. I once loaned this to a friend, he drove off with the tape on the roof of his car, I found it on the shoulder of the freeway about a mile away!
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 9:30 pm:   

Depending on cost, I may be in as well. I am kinda of poor ( I wonder why ) as I have no job, but I am really into F1 and would love to see the older races. I can not believe why Bernie/Max don't bring out the old seasons on DVD, I am willing to bet they could make some money from it.

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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 6:57 pm:   

By the way, I'm not in this for any financial reason either. But if the cost turns out to be steep, don't rule out selling some limited copies. Just a thought.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 6:55 pm:   

Hey, no fair! I want to be Jack!
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 6:18 pm:   

Well, the question is how they transfer it.

There is no plug in way of doing it. The only way is taping it off the screen with a digital camera. Maybe they have some more elaborate way, one would hope so, but that's what it basically boils down to. I have all the digital equipment and I know the Chicago shop has the 35mm projector. So the question for remains how much are they gonna charge me for that?

If your shop has a different means of doing it (like projecting it onto a grey piece of glass with a standard setup and a digital or analog camera on the other side), then that might be more interesting quality wise.

So let's compare notes. If all else fails I'll buy a freakin' 35mm projector off ebay. I got one for a 16mm flick and that cost me close to nothing, so how much more expensive can a 35mm be?
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 6:09 pm:   

I totally agree with you Andreas. If the rest of that '63 Ring film is as good as that one shot Jack took, holy cow!

I'll be getting a price from a conversion shop of transferring from 35mm to digital. They said it wouldn't be cheap!
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 5:33 pm:   

Jack Habits, those pictures are mouth watering. No wonder they're so good, they're basically slide quality.

Gilles (can't call you Jack in the same post), thanks for joining in. Your help is probably needed as well. I'll check with the shop tomorrow. Cross your fingers.

DVD country codes are actually non trivial, but a friend of mine is an expert in those and we'll fix that issue, I'm quite certain. PAL is a non issue.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 4:32 pm:   

I tried to scan some images from it.

I had to use my slide scanner for it and pass the footage diagonally through it so a little corned dropped off.

This is about 5 feet into the reel and shows Lorenzo Bandini on BRM on the starting grid.

I am quite surprised by the quality and sharpness of the image.

Jack

Upload
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 4:14 pm:   

Hey guys, count me in to offset the costs! I'd definitely like a copy. Jack, DVD is a universal format. It was established to avoid just these issues, and to sell more, naturally.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 3:57 pm:   

Andreas,

Sure I can send you the footage.

I am no digital media expert but what about the "region code" for DVD's?

Does that influence the playability of it?

I am in The Netherlands and for European fans I would need PAL format for Videos but, again, what about DVD's?

Jack
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 3:42 pm:   

Thanks Lawrence. We might need you. I know that the conversion shop ain't cheap, but hey, unique 63 footage from the Ring? C'mon!

BTW: I'm already 'talking' to the ebay seller about footage from other years. Who knows what might come out of it.

PS: Lawrence, I couldn't agree more with you regards the more permanent media: Just finished digitizing my 20,000 slides onto DVD. Now I started on my father's collection. Thanks to programs like ACDSee you can even fix some of the hits they took over the years.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 3:32 pm:   

Andreas, Jack

It would be fantastic if we could preserve all this history and more in an indestructible medium like a DVD for everyone to share.

I'm behind you guys 100%!
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 3:16 pm:   

Jack, maybe we can make a little project out of this:

There is a professional shop in Chicago that does conversions etc. I could ask them, what the cost would be etc. Once we have it in any VCR/DV format, I can take it from there and make VHS or DVDs, no problem.

Would you be willing to send me the footage?

BTW: I have no commercial interests in any of this. Just a copy for my own archive is all I really want.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 3:10 pm:   

In case anybody is interested, I have some original film footage of the 1963 GP at the Nurburgring.

It would need to be digitized and converted to VHS or DVD.

It is in 35mm (1 3/8 inch) format and my guesstimate is that it is about 500ft of footage.

I don't have a projector for 35mm so I have never actually seen it myself...

I have unrolled about 10 ft of it and those shots look to have been taken at the starting grid with close-ups of the drivers in their cars.

I am no expert in this field but I believe to recognize a soundtrack right below the images.

Don't intend to sell it but would share it at cost.

I have been unable to find any copyright marks on it so I presume we are clear in that respect.

Jack
Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 2:35 pm:   

Thanks Andreas, I see why you did buy the VCR! Here're the links:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2745970417&category=2876

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2745970416&category=2876

Yes, I'm definitely interested in a copy of the 86 season. If you manage to win these two auctions I'd like a copy of them too. Of course I'll pay for your time and materials.

Thanks!

Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 2:28 pm:   

BTW: Cost of conversion for 1 hour of tape is about $ 20 at a professional shop. However they are very picky, that you legally have the copyright to do so. Once I brought them "La Passione", which I bought in the UK in PAL and they refused to make me a copy. That's when I decided to buy the world VCR.
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 2:26 pm:   

Lawrence, pls send me an email with the ebay item #. I'll get those.

I bought a world VCR, which *digitally* transfers any format into any format. So I can easily make NTSC tapes off those.

As I said, I only have the 86 season (not counting what you can normally order, 88 and newer). Of course PAL, but again not a problem. But it is in German, in case you're interested.
Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 2:19 pm:   

Andreas, I've been looking for a long time for older tape footage especially from the 70's most notably the Gilles, Lauda, and Schecktor years.

On Ebay there's a fellow that sells VHS tapes of races in which Gilles has raced in but they're in PAL format. I wonder how much it would cost to convert it to NTSC?

If you find any let me know please. Thanks!
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Post Number: 1728
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 12:24 pm:   

I have been collecting the official F1 annual reviews, but they only go back to about 1988. Obviously F1 has been on TV since the sixties (definitely the seventies). Does anybody have/know of/sell/rent footage from older seasons?

I know there is the 73 season covered on a special documentary. Also I got lucky and found in my own archive an old 1986 tape I made myself off the TV broadcast.

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