| Author | Message | ||
| Tommy Anastasiou (Tommya)
New member Username: Tommya Post Number: 40 Registered: 10-2002 |
Sorry to bring this (aging) topic back to life. I need some help. Currently my 82 308 has the 390 TRX rims. Just by doing the math I would assume that these are not the 16" rims. Some members claim that when the QV was born so and the 16" rims and some claim to have 83-84 QV's with out them. Do we know what year these rims were fitted to the 308 ? Thanks in advance. | ||
| Peter B. (Gts308qv)
Junior Member Username: Gts308qv Post Number: 224 Registered: 5-2001 |
I thought that article picture looked familiar. | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Member Username: Dave Post Number: 281 Registered: 4-2001 |
My good ole 77 | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 603 Registered: 2-2001 |
That looks like my car. | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Member Username: Dave Post Number: 275 Registered: 4-2001 |
Thank you sir, may I have another...  | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Member Username: Dave Post Number: 263 Registered: 4-2001 |
Then I'm sure that you also noticed that the car in the article is not a U.S. model, and not injected... | ||
| Peter B. (Gts308qv)
Junior Member Username: Gts308qv Post Number: 221 Registered: 5-2001 |
Yes, you could! They went well with your apricot sports coat and white loafers! | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Member Username: Dave Post Number: 257 Registered: 4-2001 |
Like I said in my earler post Peter, You could order the BBS wheels as an option.  | ||
| Peter B. (Gts308qv)
Junior Member Username: Gts308qv Post Number: 219 Registered: 5-2001 |
The BBS wheels are NOT original. They were a US Ferrari dealer option on the injected cars and early QVs instead of TRX metric, before 16" Ferrari rims became available. Paul, "Pay Attention Boy !" as Foghorn Leghorn would say! Of course the original wheels will not fail, I never intoned that for a minute. I agree with most of your comments as I live in Australia and the availability of Ferrari is probably similar to Canada, if not even less. Vincit Qui Se Vincit | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 601 Registered: 2-2001 |
David, I have an 83 308qv. That is very interesting. It never occurred to me that they could actually be original. I will have to look into it, I have the number to the previous two owners. Fred | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Junior Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 167 Registered: 5-2001 |
David, I know just such a person with those BBS wheels on his 83 QV. I do think they are probably lighter in weight, but they are also "true" racing wheels. He has subsequently had to send all four wheels back to BBS to have the outer rims replaced. They are very thin, and not designed for street use (according to BBS). They were actually splitting. I think they replaced the outer rims with ones a millimeter or two thicker. Still, they DID last 18 years and 50k miles or so...They are good as new now. | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Member Username: Dave Post Number: 255 Registered: 4-2001 |
Fred, what year model car do you have with the BBS wheels? Some folks are not aware that way back when, you could order light weight 3 piece BBS racing wheels as an option when they bought their 308 new back in the late 70's.... These wheels are much lighter than the stock wheels, and if you were to try and replace them today they would run you $600.00 each | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Junior Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 165 Registered: 5-2001 |
I have a set of original qv wheels that were recently refinished to like-new condition. They have Bridgestone RE730's mounted on them, 225-50 front and 245-45 rear. About 70% tread left. Contact me off-list for details and pictures. I am asking $2500, and am firm on that price. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 379 Registered: 12-2001 |
Peter, no luck required, I have found a new set of four with ferrari sticker, a mint used set of four with ferrari raised letters and another pair of raised letter originals. Aluminum has a finite life as well. They fatigue. Perfect example is aluminum connecting rods. One observation I have made as a 308 owner is most (not all) 308 owners are cheap. They will do whatever is possible to use a part or make a repair that is less than desireable. You dont hear of too many BB or TR owners trying to fit flowmaster mufflers or dodge distributor caps on their cars. And before you say a 308 is only worth 30k and they arent worth spending the money on, take a look in canada to see what we get for them. Particularly if they havent had a bunch of aftermarket parts slapped on them. Even with the dollar difference to the US, we still get more for the cars. I cant explain it, maybe less cars to pick from up here but its a fact that I have seen with my own eyes. I dont mind spending alittle more because Ill get it back. And I doubt Ill be driving down the highway and have one of those inferior magnesium rims fail and kill me. | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 997 Registered: 1-2001 |
Interesting note about the differences by manufacturer. Just for the record, my ex-stock 16" 308QV wheels were from CROMODORA and the 7" front style was/is slightly different from the 8" rear style as previously discussed. The raised lettering on the frontside (no decals): Ferrari 7.00J x 16" and Ferrari 8.00J x 16" The raised lettering on the back of the front spokes: 120926 CROMODORA MADE IN ITALY OFFSET 11.15 LEGA DI MAGNESIO and date code box with one of 12 boxes (month?) punched and an "83" (year?) stamped The raised lettering on the back of the rear spokes: 120927 CROMODORA MADE IN ITALY OFFSET 11.45 LEGA DI MAGNESIO and date code box with one of 12 boxes (month?) punched and an "83" (year?) stamped | ||
| Peter B. (Gts308qv)
Junior Member Username: Gts308qv Post Number: 218 Registered: 5-2001 |
Paul. Two lbs per wheel is totally insignificant for a street driven 308. Ferrari used magnesium/alloy due to it's lightness. But, they have a finite life and are not as strong as new all alloy wheels. No one uses this mag/alloy process any more, not even Ferrari. It's old technology but I do agree with your anal thing. I will also put originals on when I can find one more speedline wheel in good condition. The repro's if kept in as new condition will always be worth close to their purchase price. The original wheels are actually an inferior product of old technology, BUT they are still worth more because... they are original. Good luck, ciao - Peter | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 376 Registered: 12-2001 |
Peter, I guess there is still the repop issue to deal with. I myself prefer original equipment (whether its correct for my car or not) on whatever car I have. Its an anal thing. Paying alittle more for the real thing makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside and I guess thats what matters most to me. 2 lbs per wheel is significant and I havent weighed tires lately to argue your point. I might be going out on a limb but why would ferrari use magnesium if it wasnt as strong as aluminum like the repops? I have a feeling the factory wheels are stronger and lighter, thus more expensive and a better product. Not to mention I will never have to sell my rims for less than I payed for them. I dont think a used repop is worth a whole lot. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 599 Registered: 2-2001 |
Barry, It would seem so. I think I will go the repro way. One of the previous owners of my car took the wheels off and put some BBS wheels on it. I really want the original look on my car. Fred | ||
| Peter B. (Gts308qv)
Junior Member Username: Gts308qv Post Number: 217 Registered: 5-2001 |
Paul, I am not sure what years/months the wheels changed but Ferrari went to whoever gave them the best deal as stocks ran out. As far as the unsprung weight is concerned, the originals were made of Magnesium alloy which is of course lighter than all alloy wheels, especially as they are made from the same mould. The original Speedline 8x16 I have, weigh in at approx 7.8 Kgs(16lb).The reproduction wheel 8x16 is approx 8.9 Kgs (18lb).So, you have an approx 2lb penalty per wheel . But you also should remember that modern tyres weight about 1 - 1 1/2 lbs less than tires made 15 years ago or so, especially if you are going from TRX 390 wheels and tyres. The penalty of a couple of lbs per wheel is not going make any difference to the driving or handling of an old 308, even on the track. But having modern high performance tires on 16" wheels will make a absolute world of difference! Now, if we are talking about Schumacher's F1 car, then 2 lbs per wheel could totally upset the balance of his car and increase his lap times by at least 1/10ths of a second! Over 75 laps, that would be 7.5 seconds, the difference between winning and losing! Ciao - Peter | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 373 Registered: 12-2001 |
Peter, I believe you will also find the repros are much heavier than the factory wheels. Unsprung weight is affected in a negative way. Thanks for the info on the rims though. I wondered why some 16's looked different than others. I guess that explains it. I understand you could get 16's as an option on some 308's. How did they allot the campy versus the speedline wheels on 308's? Is it a late/early model thing or european/usa thing? | ||
| Peter B. (Gts308qv)
Junior Member Username: Gts308qv Post Number: 213 Registered: 5-2001 |
Paul. Please remember that there were 3 manufacturers that Ferrari used for the 16" QV rims. The ones you are refering to are the Campagnolo rims that had a slight variation in the rear compared to the front. These wheels had a raised logo and size on the rim. The reproduction wheels are taken from the Speedline series of wheels and are exact copy of those wheels front and back. The Speedlines had a decal logo indicating size etc. By the way, Superperformance is having a "free shipping" world wide for the QV 16" rims in August. That means approx.$1450.00 delivered to your door, with new centre caps and logo decals. I have the repro wheels on my QV and I also have an original set of speedlines that I bought a few years ago (two slightly damaged): there is no difference.It was cheaper to buy the repros than have my damaged wheels repaired and have the 4 repainted and a new set of caps. There is one very noticeable difference between the reproduction wheels from Superperformance and the original Speedlines. The repro's are better finished than the originals and are also stronger. Their site: www.superperformance.co.uk | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 372 Registered: 12-2001 |
If you think thats alot of $$$$ try the dealer. I called them yesterday and was told $10000 for the set of 4 without center caps! The way I look at it is I wont loose my 2-3k when the time comes to sell. It will only add that to the price at least and Ill enjoy them while I have them. | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Junior Member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 240 Registered: 2-2002 |
Fred, It looks like you can part out a 308 for a whole lot more than that! Barry | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 996 Registered: 1-2001 |
Greg -- before the stock market meltdown it was more like $3~$3.5K for a stock 16" QV set of 4 (but I'd still buy a set!) | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 596 Registered: 2-2001 |
Thats a lot of $$ for wheels. Especially for a car that is around 30k | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 441 Registered: 3-2001 |
A set of original 16 inch wheels are around $2500-$3000. This is what I have seen sets sell for in exc.+++ cond. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 593 Registered: 2-2001 |
Dave, I was thinking of going the repro route also. I thought I saw someone on here at one time say they got some for $1100 which seemed low to me. I was thinking they would cost around $1600. I take it you are happy with them? | ||
| David White (Dwhite)
Junior Member Username: Dwhite Post Number: 58 Registered: 7-2002 |
If you want a set of originals be prepared to pay. Call Geoff at partsourcenet.com, he has them. I bought repros from superformance which are exact reproductions. I don't see any difference. Anyway good luck the 16s are so much better for tire choices and I wanted the stock appearance - feel the wheels give the whole look to the car. | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 995 Registered: 1-2001 |
Thanks for describing the difference (I know what you mean -- on the stock 7x16 the ribs of the star area stick out above the surface where the valve stem mounts; whereas, on the stock 8x16 the rib tops are level with the valve stem mounting surface.) | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 368 Registered: 12-2001 |
The rear face of the factory rims is cast differently than the fronts regarding spoke positioning. Its difficult to describe but the repops use the front rim and duplicate it for the rear but make it wider overall. The originals are very different front to rear. I may have a line on some now after many phone calls. Thanks, Paul. | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 993 Registered: 1-2001 |
I like your style! I can't really help with your search, but I just wanted to let you know that you needed to be more specific in your request. What's different about the rears? Here's a shot of a Magnesium 308QV 8x16:  | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 367 Registered: 12-2001 |
Im looking for the 16" QV rims. The repro 16's are not the same when you compare them side by side. The rear rims are not correct in appearance. I would like a set of originals. 16x7 and 16x8. I dont want the TRX's either, not much choice on tires. | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 991 Registered: 1-2001 |
Paul -- Do you mean a set of Magnesium alloy 16" 308QV wheels and not the 16" Aluminum alloy reproductions? (I'm sure you can find all the 390mm 308QV wheels you want  ) | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 366 Registered: 12-2001 |
Where can I find a set or incomplete set of QV rims? Cant seem to find a used set on the net or through word of mouth. The dealer is out of the question for obvious reasons. |