| Author |
Message |
Erik Jonsson (Gamester)
| | Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2001 - 12:03 pm: | |
Drive the car- expect an occasional bug and have the warranty fix it. Enjoy the hottest ride around! |
jake diamond (Fast)
| | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 9:05 pm: | |
I'm on the waiting list for a 2002 modena f-1. Just found this site, and you people are scaring me! Is this car really such a nightmare? Lots of owners seem to be so disappointed with the lack of quality. What gives? Should I not buy a 360 modena? |
Viken Bedrossian (Vikenb)
| | Posted on Friday, June 01, 2001 - 4:57 pm: | |
Martin,
I'd imagine that the chain tensioner issue is independent from the transmission and should be the same for both 6-speed and Selespeed (F1).
Viken |
martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
| | Posted on Friday, June 01, 2001 - 4:37 pm: | |
Sam,
thanks for the bad news re: the tensioner belt.Would you be kind enough to ask your mechanic if same urgency applies to 6 speed (my car)? thanks |
Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
| | Posted on Friday, June 01, 2001 - 1:44 pm: | |
I spoke with my mechanic about the 360...he runs a challenge team for a major deealer out here. He told me that the F-1 has no major problems with the auto trans and it runs fine on the track with no mods but early ones did get hot on some tracks. BUT there is a defect in the timing belt tensioner and that should be replaced! He told a story of the team at Road America in Atlanta where the driver, in the first race ( they run two races each day I think) had his tensioner fail and destroy the engine. The driver was desperate for the points for that race and needed to compete in the second race sothey found a spare engine with Ferrari of Houston's team and the Driver wrote a $50K check on the spot for that engine and the team immediately put it in his car and he got points. Track lesson learned for the street --- get the tensioner bearing changed! |
Viken Bedrossian (Vikenb)
| | Posted on Friday, June 01, 2001 - 11:56 am: | |
Martin,
If you first click on "General Ferrari Discussion," you'll find a button at the bottom of the page which will let you add a new topic.
Viken |
martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
| | Posted on Friday, June 01, 2001 - 11:52 am: | |
How do I add a new topic? |
martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
| | Posted on Friday, June 01, 2001 - 11:42 am: | |
The items on my 360 which come under "service campaigns" are replacing a tensioner of the timing belt,replacing the ball joints of the throttle mechanism,replacing the rear silencer.Anyone have any idea how urgent these recalls are? (tim belt requires pulling the engine!) |
Mat Buckland (Mat)
| | Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2001 - 5:50 pm: | |
My 360 is an early '00 car. It had 22'000 autobahn kilometers on it when I bought it. I did receive all the paper work and most of the warranty problems were sorted out in Germany before I shipped the car over. Drove all over Europe with her as well, without incident. Maybe I was one of the lucky ones ! KOW. |
Viken Bedrossian (Vikenb)
| | Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2001 - 1:25 pm: | |
Martin,
I understand the 360 is not really a "world" car. I am told that only as of MY 2001 all cars have OBDII as do the previous ('99-'00) NA cars. And, there still are differences in the bumper structures as not all countries require 2.5 mph (USA) and/or 5 mph (CND) impact resistance.
VB |
martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
| | Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2001 - 12:08 pm: | |
Matt, I bought my 360 euro in germany as well but didn't find out about all the recalls until I contacted the importer in Holland.The local dealer here in Or isn't able to bring up a euro car on the screen to get recall info.
seems to me we should get all 360 Euro owners together to pressure FNA to honor the warranty on this "worldwide" car! |
Mat Buckland (Mat)
| | Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2001 - 2:10 am: | |
Have a 360 euro brought in through a Germany export company. I've put about 3000 kilometers on the car and so far I have had no problems. Have yet to face FNA. Regardless, I would never swap my Ferrari for something more reliable like a boring Merc/BMW/Porsche. Gee wiz Bret, who are you talking about, my ex-wife ! |
BretM (Bretm)
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2001 - 9:23 pm: | |
Yeah Jeff it's good you had a US car. Could you picture what this would be like if you had a euro car. Have you put any thought into another Ferrari (355...)? |
martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2001 - 1:06 pm: | |
To all 360 euro owners would like to discuss how you are handling fact that FNA is not honoring warranty |
J.D. Smythe (Jeff)
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2001 - 6:20 am: | |
Dan, I never owned a 348. The 360 was my first Ferrari. I hope there isn't another 360 owner out there with similiar Ferrari troubles. |
Danny R. West (Dan_West348ts)
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2001 - 7:20 pm: | |
Jeff,
Did you own a black 1991 348 previous to the 360? Are you located in Southern California?
Dan |
BretM (Bretm)
| | Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2001 - 3:45 pm: | |
WTF is your problem lady. I've been on this site since day one, I was like the third member, I come on and offer a lot of information to people about their cars and I love doing it. So why don't you kiss my ass. I never said anything to you, but you got this thing out for me and I don't appreciate it. I know you're new to this site, but we don't make personal attacks at anyone here unless someone comes in and provokes us. It's a waste of time and doesn't belong here.
Jeff - I still say go with a 355, you'll be so much better off and really learn to love Ferraris. You wont have any problems with the car, if maintained it'll be just as reliable as a Ford or Chevy. I agree with your decision about the 360, if not for the wait that you would have to deal with, but definitely for the principle of that kind of money and getting a car like that. |
Viken Bedrossian (Vikenb)
| | Posted on Friday, May 25, 2001 - 11:52 am: | |
While I sympathize with Jeff, not all new Ferrari experiences are negative. My 2000 360 Modena was delivered to me new on 11/22/00 (the day before Thanksgiving). On my way home, the clutch started slipping on me. I did get it home as it was too late to go back to the dealer. I figured, I'd get it towed using the Ferrari Roadside Assistance.
Since the dealer was closed for the weekend, I parked the car in my garage and waited for Monday. I called Roadside assistance Monday morning and they were extremely courteous with me. BTW, Ferrari's towing service is handled by USAC and not AAA. Shortly after that, I got a call from the local authorized towing service to confirm the address and to ask if they needed to bring the special Ferrari tool to release the F1 transmission. Apparently, if the F1 transmission is stuck in gear and the car is out of juice, there is a special tool needed to get it back to neutral.
Anyway, the car was professionally towed back to the dealer without any damages. The dealer diagnosed a failed throwout bearing seal. They had a new bearing seal AND a new clutch in stock. The car was taken apart and completely put back together in 48 hours with a zillion apologies. I even got a $100 fleece Ferrari jacket with their apologies. |
Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
| | Posted on Friday, May 25, 2001 - 10:49 am: | |
Jeff, it is simple.. we have a genetic defect in the "automotive" gene. If a reliable working car is what you want and you have the realistic expectation that a sports car should actually work... Then for sure check out the new Mercedes supercar that is coming out -- Every mercedes sports car I owned (the SL's mostly ) of any vintage was flawless perfection, Porsche, BMW ('cept 850 - weird electronic problems), Check Aston Martin too. Plenty of better cars in that price range now....a small limited production manufacturer like Ferrari does have trouble competing with in the R&D, development of new high-end road cars.. They really are a racing team that builds these cars on the side and often you wonder if they expeect you to have a pit crew standing by when the car fails -- Bret is right, 355 owners are very happy lot right now and all exclaim it to be the most reliable, most roadable Ferrari ever..... |
Michael A. Niles (Man90tr)
| | Posted on Friday, May 25, 2001 - 7:24 am: | |
We hope that you join us in the future and become a Ferrari owner. My neighbor had a comment for me yesterday -- she said "after two years of seeing it, I still look at your TOY and smile." that may explain why we put up with so much.
But I agree, a 170,000 dollar toy should at least function a good bit before breaking.
As I watched the news this morning and saw all the stuff happening in the world, I came to this conclusion-- life ain't so bad if we can drop 100,000 plus on car.
Keep the faith, it should be better next time. |
Adelina Vallese (Dina)
| | Posted on Friday, May 25, 2001 - 7:21 am: | |
Jeff - I would have persevered and kept the car, but I am probably not in the same league when it comes to owning a Ferrari.
BretM - You have still not seen your English Teacher.
Love to you all - Dina |
J.D. Smythe (Jeff)
| | Posted on Friday, May 25, 2001 - 7:08 am: | |
Guys,this purchase was a complete horror story(at least for me). Peter, you are correct about my earlier posting and Magoo you are right about my wife buying the car for me. Not shifting correctly was just the tip of the ice berg. I didn't request factory assistance. This car had to be completely disassembled; engine, transmission, clutch etc. After I saw millions (my exageration) of parts lying on the garage floor, I lost confidence in the car. Here's a car with 75 miles and it's completely apart. Plus, FNA did not have the parts to fix it. And there was no estimate when the parts would come from Italy. Also, the mechanics were not a 100% sure that this was going to fix the problem. I don't blame the dealer for any of this. The dealer tried to do everything possible to make me happy on this. I would have ordered a another car but this was impossible. For a $170K I expected better. I read these posts and am amazed how much inconvenience Ferrari owners are willing to put up with. This is a new car and I just wasn't flexible. I am the big loser here. I waited 2 years for a car and end up with nothing. The new owner is happy. The car still has a 3 year warranty and he didn't have to wait years for a 360. He bought the car in a disasembled condition. As far as I know, the car is still apart sitting on the garage floor waiting for parts. |
Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
| | Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2001 - 10:42 pm: | |
Jeff, Didn't you request factory assistance other than the dealer. I can't believe you gave up the ship. If I remember correctly your wife bought you the car as a present. Boy, that in itself was enough to keep the car. Well, I'm sorry but a guy has to do what a guy has to do. One of the things that I think about when this occurs is the $ (dollar)loss one takes. I really am afraid to ask,so if you don't want to talk about it, I understand. You know, I think you will probably get another one. MAGOO |
BretM (Bretm)
| | Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2001 - 9:56 pm: | |
What went wrong? Was it only the shifter that was messed up? Yeah, I gotta agree with you that it is really disappointing that you can spend upwards of $200,000 for a car and not have it shift, wtf. If I were you Jeff I would get a nice 97 or so 355 GTS. One that has had the problems sorted out and that you will enjoy the whole time you own it. I'm not a fan of the latest and greatest from Ferrari, because everytime they come out with a new car you get a piece of ••••. If you get one three years into the building of that model you get an excellent car for the same price, you just have to wait and can't have the new pimp mobile that just came out. Get a 97 or later 355 GTS, 6spd. You'll absolutely love it. I've been around so many Ferraris because of the dealership near me and my favorite is still the 355GTS. Take the money you saved and invest it. |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
| | Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2001 - 7:10 pm: | |
I remember that from Tech Q&A: "upshifting a 360 6-spd, not F-1".
Sorry to hear about that. |
J.D. Smythe (Jeff)
| | Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2001 - 9:21 am: | |
I posted an earlier message about shifting problems with my new 360. The car had major problems that made it undrivable. It was in the shop for more than 6 weeks. I no longer own the car. It's disappointing that Ferrari of Italy let this car out of the factory. It's also disappointing that FNA and the dealer let this car be delivered. The car had a problem from day one. I am leaving out names(dealer) and details(exact problem with the car). I may want another Ferrari someday and I don't want to burn any bridges. I hope my dealer doesn't read this chat line.
Towing issues: I had this car towed sooo many times that I have plenty of experience. When you buy a new car from Ferrari, they give you and 800 number to call. This is AAA. The dealer told me not to call this number unless I really had to. The dealer's suggestion is to use the tow company that the dealer uses. If you are traveling and have problems, call the nearest Ferrari dealer and ask them which tow company they use. You will have better odds of getting a tow company with experience in towing Ferraris. |