| Author | Message | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Junior Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 135 Registered: 3-2002 |
Thanks L. Wayne.  I'll look out for some next time I'm in an Ebay mood. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 327 Registered: 8-2002 |
001, somewhere I have the Rossa press kit. It contains a brochure and CD ROM. A while back there were several of them selling on eBay. You might want to keep an eye out. | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Junior Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 132 Registered: 3-2002 |
I'd love to read something that explains the Pininfarina Rosso concept and the 360 Barchetta gift in detail. They are my two favorite new Ferrari's. :p You can't buy 'em, that's for sure. ;) | ||
| Michael Davidson (Cabrio_fan)
New member Username: Cabrio_fan Post Number: 16 Registered: 3-2002 |
Just last week I spent $25 to buy a Ferrari Mondial 3.2 brochure off of ebay. I normally would not spend money for a brochure, however, I would like to purchase a Mondial down the road. I'm a bit of a late-comer since the Mondial was actually ~new~ on the dealership floor, so I didn't have many options. I wanted a brochure for the F-car that I would like to purchase. Personal preference to spring for the brochure. I'm sure there must be a number of Ferrari owners that do not have the brochure(s) to their car(s). I wanted to get the brochure before I got the car. My brochure is laid out on my home office desk so I can keep looking at it often! | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
Member Username: 4re308 Post Number: 664 Registered: 6-2001 |
I too have been collecting automotive brochures for 15 years, and have amassed a remarkable collection. I am in the process of selling off just about everything else, except all the Ferrari and Maserati stuff. I am completely and utterly addicted to Ferrari brochures. I now have about 225 different Ferrari factory printed brochures. I still have about 3000 other make brochures for sale, including hundreds of magazines and toher stuff. Email me if you want some of it.... Hey Dustin, that is FAR from a lame hobby! I love literature! | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1924 Registered: 2-2001 |
The solution to this problem is simple. Offer the Brochures to anyone who wants to purchase one and offer a full refund to anyone who purchases a Ferrari. No Problem! | ||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 302 Registered: 11-2001 |
Did any of you guys get this brochure? it has a bunch of pics of Ferrari products you could buy such as dishware, shoes, helmets,bags,golf clubset, bathrobes, towels, scarfs, wallets, pens, pencils, neckties, etc. The book says it was intended for the Ferrari fan at heart. Sick! A very fine made book from Italy. should I keep it or sell it on EBAY! just kidding! not for sale...   | ||
| Fred (Iluv4res)
Junior Member Username: Iluv4res Post Number: 93 Registered: 8-2002 |
Right or wrong, the reason it is "so impossible for common folks to get a Ferrari brochure" is because common folks do not buy a Ferrari. | ||
| Terry (Dogue)
Junior Member Username: Dogue Post Number: 110 Registered: 9-2001 |
The reason they don't give them out is because they are valuable. It seems that most of the brochures are sold on ebay or through some other literature business and very few get into the hands of potential buyers, for free anyway. Dealers have to pay for them and I would bet in most cases the salespeople are taking a few at a time and selling them. I have a very good relationship with our local dealer and have asked for a brochure one time and they told me they just don't have any. Each dealer gets a limited supply and I am sure they don't last long. I would also bet that most of the brochures are hitting ebay, before the dealers even get their alotment. Plus I would also bet that Ferrari is not interested in printing a whole lot of brochures considering I doubt very many people have purchased a Ferrari because of a brochure. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2773 Registered: 5-2001 |
Here is a way I just remembered: Most of the sales guys actually do collect brochures themselves. Ask the guy if he has a 456 brochure for your collection and you would trade him one that you have 2 of for example. I actually did a deal like that with a 348 brochure of which I had a few for a 328 and Mondial owners manual that the guy had. This is somebody from FoW. As for test drives. I also want to see somebody being serious before I send a car into somebody's hands and let him drive. I do not have any walk-ins so I do not get that a lot. | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Member Username: Ross Post Number: 281 Registered: 3-2002 |
would agree with david jones on all points. dustin if you want a brochure that badly then buy it on ebay and be done with it. if you get most of your others for free and just need this last one to complete the collection, the cost amortized over the whole lot will amount to nothing. re the test drive, i have never asked for a drive unless i was genuinely serious about buying something, eventually, even if it wasn't that day. it also helps your case if you look decent (i know, clothes don't make the man blah blah, but what is the salesman supposed to do, ask for your resume?), and drive into the dealership with something decent (even if its non descript but clean and well maintained), speak somewhat knowledgeably about the car ( shows you actually care enough to have done a modicum of research), be polite and act like a normal person. on the other hand, i think generalisations about dealerships and salesmen is a waste of time since they are people and will act as differently as everyone else in the species; its not simply because they sell cars for a living. | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Junior Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 214 Registered: 5-2002 |
I would buy a more modern big screen TV, but you have to remove the picture tube for routine servicing every 30,000 hours; more frequently if watching certain movie channels. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 318 Registered: 8-2002 |
Horsefly, you call that a big screen? Compared to what, a radio? | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Junior Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 213 Registered: 5-2002 |
I hear that big screen TV brochures are worth more than Japanese cars. I'll ponder that situation while watching my 1960 Philco Predicta television set, or my 1948 Hallicrafters 5 inch round tube. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 317 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ok guys, as someone who has worked in sales at high-line dealerships, let me tell you that those salesmen don't care about the brochures. They wish they had one to give to all of you. It has nothing to do with the salesmen. The fact is that the dealership orders and stocks enough brochures to give to potential customers. If a dealership sells 15 Ferraris per month, there is a certain number of brochures that can be expected to go to potential customers each month. At a Porsche dealership where I worked, 3 out of 4 people on the showroom were just there to check out the cool cars. Almost all of the "looky-loos" would take a brochure to have something cool to look at later. During the time that I was there we tried leaving the brochures out on a rack but they would run out faster than we could order them and we rarely had enough for real customers. We also tried keeping them in a back room and only handing them out when we thought the person asking was a potential customer. The obvious problem is that you don't know who is and who isn't (you'd be surprised) and sooner or later someone gets offended. A few salesmen would prequalify the customer and if they seemed like a JO, they would tell them a brochure cost $25. Obviously the money would just be pocketed by the salesman. Dealerships don't sell brochures. The problem is that there is a demand for sales literature on high-line and exotic cars that exists outside of the actual car buying public. I've worked at Japanese car dealers where this demand did not exist, and it wasn't a problem. Leave the brochures out. Nobody takes them unless they are considering buying the car. when something that you would like to offer all of you potential customers for free is in demand by many who are not potential customers, it makes it a difficult situation. Horsefly, how many big-screen TV brochure collectors do you know? | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 609 Registered: 2-2001 |
I think that is a lot more likely that a guy that picks up a T.V. brochure is doing so because he wants to buy. A guy that picks up a Ferrari brochure may just be doing so to have something that is "Ferrari" | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Junior Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 241 Registered: 8-2001 |
Fred: You are obviously referring to Continental Auto Sports. I have bought 3 Ferraris from them....the latest being an 83 Boxer 2 months ago. I assume that they will let me test drive ANY car they have for sale, because, they know me as a SERIOUS buyer, AND I trust them about the description of a car. Two, of the three, I bought without test driving.....they where on the rack at the time. Both turned out as descibed. One car I bought, developed a minor problem, and they gave me a Bentley to drive for the week......almost bought the thing! If one isn't a serious buyer, then, one should NOT ask for a test drive. Imagine all the test drives that they can give to anyone who just asks......there must be a limit. | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Junior Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 211 Registered: 5-2002 |
Those poor Ferrari dealerships shouldn't be expected to give away a $50 brochure. Giving away 4 or 5 brochures would amount to $250 or even more! That might send them to the poorhouse. After all, the dealership only makes tens of thousands of dollars on each car sale. When a Ferrari salesman goes to buy a home stereo, big screen TV, or refrigerator, does he pay for a brochure? Even if that TV brochure only costs $2, would he pay for it? Not likely. | ||
| Joseph MacPhee (Jmacphee)
New member Username: Jmacphee Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2002 |
I have some sympathy for the dealers. I used to sell industrial paint for DuPont. Everyone knows DuPont makes automotive paint and everyone knows it is expensive. Not everyone knows DuPont also makes industrial paint which isn't as expensive. As a distributor, I would get some pretty basic color charts for the industrial line for free and gave them to everyone I ever met. I could also buy automotive color charts, which were very big and very cool. for something like $30 each. I used to have architects that would call me and want ten or twelve automotive color charts for their office and they never even bought one gallon of paint from me. Even the specifications they wrote wouldn't list DuPont as an approved product. They would give the color charts to a competitor or a hardware store and have them match the color from the automotive chart. So, I started charging $50 for the color charts. I happily gave them away to anyone who used them to pick colors to buy paint from me. And anyone was free to come to the store and pick a color from the chart. Everyone else had to pay. I used to be able to tell within about ten seconds if someone was going to buy something from me or just screw around. I can't tell you what it was exactly, it wasn't the way they dressed or how they spoke (and remember I was selling industrial paint here, not F-cars) but rather an attitude. I would suggest going to a dealership and telling them the truth. Say you collect literature and would like to add a 456 brochure to your collection and then offer to pay a fair price. If you have no intention of buying a car from them, I don't see why they should have any obligation to give the literature away. | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Member Username: Dave Post Number: 334 Registered: 4-2001 |
-Maybe they are ashamed to inform me that I would need to pay for their advertisements?- So say in 10 years after you have amassed this "great collection", and you no longer desire to collect... I assume you will just give it all away then and not sell it on ebay for a proffit... After all would it be fair for someone else to pay for some companies advertising? Anyone know what the qualifyers are for a test drive? Yes, don't bullshit them when you go in... I don't test drive a car I'm not serious about. If I'm looking for a perticular model car, the dealer will know about it before I ever get there because I would have checked the car out before I ever step foot in there store. Most serious buyers don't just show up and say how about a test drive.... | ||
| Robert Jude Klein (Rjklein4470)
Junior Member Username: Rjklein4470 Post Number: 170 Registered: 3-2002 |
I have to tell this story, I am in sales to some exstent. I was at a dealers conference, and me and some of the other dealers went to the local Ferrari dealer. We all took bets on which one of us could get a test drive. We walked in at different times so it looked lagit, and this one guy in the group walked in the store and like five minutes later was driving out on a test drive in a 550. I could not belive it I asked him what he said to get a test drive, and this is what he said. The sales person walked up to him while he was looking at the 550, they talked about the car for a bit. My friend said I do not like to haggle, so what is your bottom line on this car, the sales person gave him a price, so my friend took out his check book and started writing the amount on a check, he then said if I like this car on the test drive the check is yours. so that is how it happend, and he did buy a car from that dealer just not the 550. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 607 Registered: 2-2001 |
Does anyone know what exactly you have to do to test drive one. I bought my 308 from a local guy so the test drive was no problem. Two weeks ago I was at the Ferrari dealership on Ogden ave. in the Chicago area. I was looking around and was wondering what kind hoops you have to jump thru to test drive one. When I say test drive I mean with the intention to possibly buy not just go for a joy ride. Anyone know what the qualifyers are for a test drive? | ||
| Robert Jude Klein (Rjklein4470)
Junior Member Username: Rjklein4470 Post Number: 168 Registered: 3-2002 |
If you are really going to buy a car that is on the lot that day they will let you drive any car in the lot. I went to Ferrari of Denver, will keep names out of this, I told the sales person that I had bought a 360 used with only 300 miles, but it was not from a dealer. I had alot of questions about the car. He told me to hold on, he pulled up in a 360 not only did he let me drive the car, but he delivered the car. Went through the hole speel. They will get my business | ||
| Bill Steele (Glassman)
Junior Member Username: Glassman Post Number: 89 Registered: 4-2002 |
Is there really a dealer out there that will actually let you drive a NEW Ferrari. Like a test drive? I havent found one on the west coast yet. Maybe I dress down too much, or my line of BS is not long enough! I was at Ferrari of San Francisco, and the gentleman there put together a package of current brochures for me. That was very nice, But a test drive was out of the question. | ||
| Dustin Napier (Automemcollect)
New member Username: Automemcollect Post Number: 3 Registered: 9-2002 |
Prices on brochures in the dealership! Wow maybe thats why I can't get one mailed to me? Maybe they are ashamed to inform me that I would need to pay for their advertisements? Thats messed up. Oh well | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 311 Registered: 8-2001 |
In some ways I can understand. Brochures do cost money. However, how does one determine who is going to buy now or in the future? So I think a brochure is relatively cheap advertising. First two Ferrari Dealerships I approached, I was turned off by. Last week I was at Scottsdale Ferrari for the first time. Was very impressed by them. However, did not ask for a brochure. They will get some of my business, even if from afar. | ||
| Jason Godsil (Godsil)
Junior Member Username: Godsil Post Number: 121 Registered: 9-2001 |
I have been to a few dealerships and they all have prices on the brochures. $50 is what I paid for the 550 Maranello brochure, that looks to be the going rate for the dealers I have been to. | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
New member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 43 Registered: 3-2002 |
Don't feel bad. My dad bought a new Mercedes in a white undershirt. You never know what one has. I saw a regular guy climb out of his personal Mig-15 I got a sheet on a 308 GTS when I was a young kid. I could not even vote then. I had better results with the 308 sheet versus obtaining a Corvette brochure. RK | ||
| Robert Jude Klein (Rjklein4470)
Junior Member Username: Rjklein4470 Post Number: 167 Registered: 3-2002 |
It is all a game, just play it with them. I was in Canada, and they had a 550 B on the floor. I walked up to the car and tried the door handle, and it was locked. I asked the sales person if they would open the door, and his responce was are you interested in the car, I said I will not know as long as the door is locked. He then got me the keys, and asked if I wanted to take it for a drive. | ||
| Kevin Horner (Boz)
New member Username: Boz Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2002 |
Actually, Cauley Ferrari in Bloomfield, MI has been exceptionally nice to me. I walked away with a 550M brochure from the NAIAS a couple years ago just because I could talk intelligently about the car. I have a less chance of owning one as you do, Dustin. I was told that they are in extremely short supply and I was "very lucky" to get one. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 731 Registered: 7-2001 |
Don't feel bad Dustin, lots of dealerships don't treat Ferrari owners much better. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1270 Registered: 9-2001 |
why do they have to know you can't afford the car. Just call them and say you plan to purchase one and see if they will send you a copy. In fact tell them you have a another ferrari you will be trading in. | ||
| Dustin Napier (Automemcollect)
New member Username: Automemcollect Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2002 |
Martin, Understood 80% of people will take advantage of kindness whenever possible. But I figured that out of the 50 dealerships I have tried at least one would be kind enough. Oh well I can't afford a new 456 but hopefully in a year or so I plan tom purchase a 400i. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2771 Registered: 5-2001 |
The reason is simple. The Dealers have to pay for the brochures themselves. Not that I want to condone this behaviour but I am sure you understand that it is a cost issue and if you give freely you will have a thousand takers, because everybody wants to at least have a brochure if they can not afford the car. Again just so you do understand. | ||
| David Albright (Dalbright)
Member Username: Dalbright Post Number: 395 Registered: 2-2001 |
try Ferraribooks.com....one of our sponsors. You could probably try ebay as well. Good luck. | ||
| Dustin Napier (Automemcollect)
New member Username: Automemcollect Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2002 |
Okay I have a hobby of collecting automotive literature (lame I know) and I have never had a problem getting any sort of brochure from a dealer including Lamborghini or Rolls Royce. However I have been trying to obtain a Ferrari 456 brochure for almost one year now. I have e-mailed almost every dealer on the Ferrari authorized dealers list and called several requesting a brochure for the 456. It seems that when the dealer finds out that I don't have money to actually purchase the car then they don't want to give me a brochure  I don't have a local dealer so I can't just walk in and ask for a brochure. Anyone know of a dealer that would actually be nice enough to let me have a brochure or just pay shipping for it? I know I can get them from eBay but I don't feel I should have to pay for advertising media that should be free because it is an item still in production. Can anyone help me out? |