| Author | Message | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1453 Registered: 2-2001 |
Dave, that sounds like John, He's a cool guy, we run together regulary, Maybe it was just too much traffic at LRP, ALso the last day I was at LRP all the stars & planets must have been aligned perfectly cus I was Freakin Flying!!!!  | ||
| Dave (Netviper)
New member Username: Netviper Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2001 |
William. I am a huge fan of the 512TR. As I stated, it is my dream car. I don't doubt that you have beat NSX's around a track, but I doubt you lap them? Here is a quote from a guy that has raced 512's in his NSX. "I have run a few events with a fellow in the N.E. who regularly tracks his mildly modified 512,he is a good driver and is not afraid to drive it.He is 1-3 sec a lap faster than I depending on the track,and I'm not slow. So at lime rock He would lap me every 50 or so laps." | ||
| A.Tonokaboni (Senna1994)
New member Username: Senna1994 Post Number: 18 Registered: 9-2002 |
First off the 512TR is more of a GT than a light nimble sports car, I think if your going to compare the NSX it should probably be with the 348 not the TR. As far as straight line performance goes the 97MY + is not too far from the 512 TR until 100 mph, where the NSX falls behind. As far as handling the NSX is far easier and nimbler to drive, but an experienced driver in a 512 TR should have no problems matching or beating it. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1449 Registered: 2-2001 |
Sorry Dave but the performance of an NSX and a 512TR is by No means very close. As I said before I have raced on tracks against NSX's with good drivers & I can easily outrun them and even lap them. You just cant compare the under 300hp NSX with the 428hp 512TR. By the way my 512TR now makes 460hp | ||
| Dave (Netviper)
New member Username: Netviper Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2001 |
"The Testarosa will leave the NSX for dead. The Acura is half the car in every way (which is not a slight on the NSX, as half a TR is still a *heulva* lot of car!) " That is rediculous. The NSX will outperform the Testarossa until the 512TR, where the performance is very close. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Junior Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 80 Registered: 6-2002 |
The Testarosa will leave the NSX for dead. The Acura is half the car in every way (which is not a slight on the NSX, as half a TR is still a *heulva* lot of car!) The NSX is the civillian of the two. Dual-purpose car like no other. You could commute many miles in the city in one, then tear up the coast on the weekend, all in the same car. But, in the end, you'll be yearning for a bright red Ferrari, don't tell me you're not! The TR is going to be more... tempermental. No power steering (I know, but you NOTICE in the TR!), Ferrari maintinence, etc. This car will demand nothing less than ALL YOU'VE GOT! But that ENGINE! You owe it to yourself before deciding. On the other hand, an F355 is almost as easy to drive as an NSX, and it's more car too. Not quite the roadburner the TR is, but more nimble. Best! Ben. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Junior Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 79 Registered: 6-2002 |
The Testarosa will leave the NSX for dead. The Acura is half the car in every way (which is not a slight on the NSX, as half a TR is still a *heulva* lot of car!) The TR is going to be more... tempermental. No power steering, Ferrari maintinence, etc. But that ENGINE! You owe it to yourself before deciding. On the other hand, an F355 is almost as easy to drive as an NSX, and it's more car too. Not quite the roadburner the TR is, but more nimble. Best! Ben. | ||
| Dave (Netviper)
New member Username: Netviper Post Number: 9 Registered: 11-2001 |
Drove the Ferrari 360 spider today. What a great car. I love it! You all that own it are lucky lucky guys! We took it for a spin, and then I took him for a spin in the NSX. His comment was "Hmm.. I don't know if my car is worth all that extra money" Anyway, I really really loved it. The engine note is to die for! More pics here: http://davefogel.com/netviperslair/othercars/index.html  | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 733 Registered: 2-2001 |
Nick, that's all I wanted to know. I just found it curious, that's all. I love the NSX, and would take a used one over almost any new non-Ferrari sports car out right now, including a new Viper and Corvette. So, relax, I wasn't trying to insult the Honda. I just find it very interesting that nobody has had the determination to build a 1,000hp street NSX, as I am sure it can be done. Ernesto | ||
| michael platzer (348spider)
New member Username: 348spider Post Number: 3 Registered: 9-2002 |
if you want to experience the heart and soul of a ferrari - buy the testarossa (or better the later 512TR - it looks and drives much better). if it�s too hard to drive for your wife - you�re lucky - you don�t have to share the fun. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1435 Registered: 2-2001 |
Dave I've been on the track with several NSX some with good drivers in them and I can lap them easily in my 512TR. By full blown I meant full race, not supercharged. A road NSX is no match for a 512TR unless Ayrton himself were driving the NSX | ||
| Nick Starai (True)
New member Username: True Post Number: 14 Registered: 6-2002 |
>Dave, how come nobody has been able to get a lot >of horsepower from the NSX engines? Is there a >weakness that you know of? Ernesto, how many factory NA toyota cars do you know of with turbo kits producing 500+ HP? Only a handful if any. I can't think of any, but im sure there are some. The simple fact is that the supra,skyline and other japanese supercars start from the factory with turbo motors. That helps a LOT. You should know that....the compression ratio is lower, stronger sleeves, solid deck design etc.. The ECU is programmed for fueling compressed air as well. NSX is exact opposite. A highly tuned high reving engine. Eventhough a fully built motor usually uses a standalone engine management, it's always easier to tune a car where the manufacturer's engineers designed it for boost. The reason you don't see many 1000whp nsx's around is for reasons like this and many more. | ||
| Bruce Lennick (Ferrarisd)
New member Username: Ferrarisd Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2002 |
I find it interesting that everyone has a story to tell why their car is better. In most cases you are all probally right. However, there is not just one issue or topic with any car. And some issues are a matter of personal taste. Regarding the TR vs NSX. Luigi, are you going to let your wife drive this car? I would be afraid to let her drive the TR because it is not an easy car to drive around town. The down side of the NSX is that it a very easy car to drive and she may want to drive it all of the time. As for which car is better for you, it depends on what you want out of this car. How many miles a year are you going to drive? The NSX could easily be a daily driver, I would not consider the TR for that kind of duty. The TR has the exotic car look and sound that the NSX can't match. The posts that claim the NSX is slow are wrong. I have had a allot of seat time in both, the TR feels and sounds faster, I think the NSX is as fast, it is so refined that you just don't feel it. | ||
| Ryan Patrick Baker (Want_a_daytona)
Junior Member Username: Want_a_daytona Post Number: 65 Registered: 7-2002 |
TR. NSX is just getting a new body style soon so they will hold little value unlike a Ferrari. The NSX is overpriced if you get a new one. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 730 Registered: 2-2001 |
I think William meant a full blown race car, as in a full-spec race car and not necessarily "blown" as in supercharger or turbo. I could be wrong though. I had read that somebody in Texas was developing a twin turbo kit for the NSX, but never heard anything about it again. I am not going to post on an NSX web site, they'll probably think I am flaming them, which I am not! Anyway, enjoy your ride, hopefully you'll move up to a Ferrari soon! let us know about that 360 ride/drive. Ernesto | ||
| Stanley DiGuiseppi (Standig)
Junior Member Username: Standig Post Number: 63 Registered: 5-2002 |
The TR is a rocket ship.... The NSX is a sling shot.... | ||
| Dave (Netviper)
New member Username: Netviper Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2001 |
PS. I may get to ride in( or drive-- i hope ) a 360 Spider tomorrow. I will let you know what I think. I am super excited. Never been for a ride in a ferrari before! | ||
| Dave (Netviper)
New member Username: Netviper Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2001 |
Enesto, William H wrote "Only a full blown NSX race car can keep up with a road going 512TR ". That is the only reason I posted that. He obviously knows litte about NSXs. What do you consider serious horsepower? I think 500+HP out of an NSX motor is pretty good for a 3.0 engine. There is also not much space available. I know Gerry is aiming to run mid 10's with his 500+HP NSX when it is ready. It is a far cry from a supra making 900HP, but still pretty good. I am far from a mechanic, so I really couldn't answer your question properly. There are guys on NSXprime could if you want to post a message there. I can tell you it costs a fortune to mod these cars! Though I am sure it is the same or more with Ferrari. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 728 Registered: 2-2001 |
Dave, how come nobody has been able to get a lot of horsepower from the NSX engines? Is there a weakness that you know of? How come nobody has come out with a nice twin turbo motor that generates real power? Is it space constraints? I just find it strange, and haven't really read up on it. PS.. its not really fair comparing a blown NSX to a stock 512 TR. You should compare it to a Koenig turbo TR, if you want to compare blown against blown. Ernesto | ||
| Dave (Netviper)
New member Username: Netviper Post Number: 6 Registered: 11-2001 |
Mojo.. Yes, Gerry's car has A LOT of soul We are all jealous of it. He is coming out with a turbo kit for $6,500 that should put out somewhere around 380-400HP @6psi. I may go that route down the line... | ||
| Joseph (Mojo)
New member Username: Mojo Post Number: 20 Registered: 9-2002 |
Dave did not think I liked nsx's until I went to that web page. WOW!!!! That car has soul. | ||
| Dave F. (Netviper)
New member Username: Netviper Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2001 |
I LOVE my NSX, but the Ferarri 512TR has ALWAYS been my dream car. Someday I hope to own one, but in the mean time, my NSX is an amazing car. A "full blown" NSX will absolutely destroy a 512TR, and that is a retarded statement. If you want proof, look as www.pansx.com. I don't think you will go wrong with the NSX Luigi. If the lack of power is an issue for you, it is pretty simple to push 400 horsepower reliably. Of course, what do you consider a lack of power? Car and Driver tested a 2001 NSX in the 1/4 mile in 12.9 seconds. That is also the fastest time I have seen for a 512TR. One thing is for sure, ferrari owners will tell you to get the ferrari, NSX owners will tell you to get the NSX. It is really only you that can make this decision. Good luck! | ||
| nick l (Nsxnick)
New member Username: Nsxnick Post Number: 49 Registered: 7-2001 |
if your choice is between a 94 TR and a 91-95 nsx (as those were the models loyd bemis were comparing)... it's an absolute no brainer. get the TR. but i'm guessing you're looking at the 80s TR's against the 97+ NSX's since those would be more comparable in price. | ||
| A.Tonokaboni (Senna1994)
New member Username: Senna1994 Post Number: 11 Registered: 9-2002 |
There is a guy who has a website called www.nsxfiles.com he owns an NSX and a 355 and has some great stories. First, the reason that Ferrari evolved from the 348 to the 355 definately has its roots in the NSX. The NSX was the first mid engine car that not only had great performance but was very refined (still is). No it is not a Ferrari and never will be, but to say you can't compare it is not true. Second, the aluminum construction and patents that went with the NSX found its way into the structure of first the Audi A8 and now the 360 Modena, while I believe the 360 Modena is a much greater ride than the current NSX, a lot of similarties exist. Honda probably loses money on every NSX they sell, and it is definately a HALO car for them. There are things that are becoming long in the tooth (i.e. Exterior design, interior materials). However, the overall design and execution are admirable for a company that did this car as their first exotic. As Michael Schumacher had a hand in the development process of the 360 & Enzo, Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost are the ones that developed the suspension tuning on the NSX at the Nurbghring in Germany. The development they did with the suspension was light years ahead of the 348 at the time. No an NSX will never be a Ferrari, I don't think Honda ever intended that to be the case. But it definately was a great car from a technological and driving aspect. I wouldn't trade my 355 for one and look forward to a 360, but I can still respect what the NSX stands for. | ||
| yellownsx (Gomaidy)
New member Username: Gomaidy Post Number: 11 Registered: 7-2001 |
I think there are lot of similarities between the two. I have noticed that a lot of members here are owners or ex-NSX owners before they made the leap into a Ferrari. I am also an NSX owner trying to get insights from owners here before my jump to a Ferrari. Ferrari is on top of the food chain, a Ferrari will always be a Ferrari, and an NSX is a Honda. Both companies can learn from each other. | ||
| Lloyd Bemis (Lloyd)
New member Username: Lloyd Post Number: 33 Registered: 8-2001 |
I owned a 91 NSX, then a 95 NSX and for the last year I have owned my 94 512TR. Repairs and Maintenance. I have had no mechanical issues with the TR to date, but have a major service with belt changes scheduled in a few weeks(dealer says necessary every 4 to 5 years at a cost of $6,000 to $8,000 depending on the shop) While the NSX is reputed to be reliable, when something does go wrong the parts seem to be made of the same unobtainium they use for Ferrari's and are similarly priced. I had several problem areas with my NSXs which were expensive to repair. However, most of these were for the 1991 model, which is an older car and the first year of production. (it appears that Honda also has first year production issues) The cost of clutch replacement appears to be similar, however I have never had to replace a clutch in any of these vehicles. Nevertheless, all of the NSX repairs combined were less than the top end of the major service cost. Driving Impressions- the NSX was a much easier car for my wife to drive, however in the targa she had a difficult time seeing out the back because of the raised cover used to store the top. Parking the NSX required no real effort, while turning the wheel of the 512TR requires strength when the car is stopped. It is my understanding that the Testarossa is even more difficult to turn the wheel when stopped. This is only an issue if you like to parallel park your Ferrari and have one of Tako�s fat girlfriends ram their pickup into it. In driving the cars, there is no comparison in my mind. The responsiveness and torque of the Ferrari are the main differences. The Ferrari also has a raw feel to it that makes you feel more in touch with the road and heightens your concentration. While I used to think the sound of the NSX was great, the sound of the Ferrari�s flat twelve can�t be beat. (this includes 9000 horsepower Supras) Your wife will find shifting in the NSX to be as easy as a Honda, while the Ferrari gated shifter is unique and requires a bit more thought. Desire- ever since I was a little kid I wanted a Ferrari. The NSX was a step in that direction, but it was not my ultimate desire. If you buy an NSX you will not go wrong. It should retain its value and it is a great car. However, if it has also been your desire to have a Ferrari you will not be totally satisfied. If you burn for a Ferrari and buy an NSX you will only be able to take it so many times when someone asks �is that a Ferrari� and you say �no it�s an Acura� and then they reply �my brother Herman has an Acura.� With a Testarossa they don�t ask, they know. It's also unlikely that their brother Herman owns one, but if he does, he is probably a cool guy. | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 269 Registered: 10-2001 |
Mid Engined , F1 derived technology , Senna Tuned..and introduced in red | ||
| Noelrp (Noelrp)
Junior Member Username: Noelrp Post Number: 74 Registered: 8-2001 |
Oh wow, it's now NSX vs Testarrosa? NSX is going up the rank. NSX owners must be loving this. What's next, NSX vs. 355? Then NSX vs. 360? I dont get it. Why do people always compare the NSX with a Ferrari? What do they have in common? No flames please, just my observation. | ||
| A.Tonokaboni (Senna1994)
New member Username: Senna1994 Post Number: 9 Registered: 9-2002 |
I owned an NSX for 6 years and it was a wonderful car, the power was fine once you revved it and it was very reliable. I don't care if it is "Honda" or from Japan, it was a great car. I sold it and bought a 355. Now the 355 is much edgier and feels more rigid, but the tradeoff is everyday driving and maintaing it. The TR feels very heavy around town, but on the Highway is a great car. Apples and Oranges, but I don't think you will go wrong with either car. Remember if you are into cars what difference does the name of the Manufacturer or Country of Origin make. After all it was during the NSX's inception that McLaren-Honda dominated F1 like Ferrari is today. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 719 Registered: 2-2001 |
Downshift your NSX from 6th to 2nd at speeds, and see what happens. Ernesto | ||
| yellownsx (Gomaidy)
New member Username: Gomaidy Post Number: 10 Registered: 7-2001 |
Didn't Britney Spears wrecked her Ferrari Modena rental downshifting from 6th to 2nd gear or something. Maybe she should have driven an auto or F1 tranny. I would choose the NSX/Porsche if my wife Britney Spears would be driving it often, :P The NSX is available in an Auto, 5speed, 6speed, T-top or coupe. I dont think they make automatic TRs. But if you're not into the "Hoooonda" thing or "Frog" shape of the Porsche then by all means get the "Soulful" Ferrari TR. More exotic! | ||
| RANDOLPH MADAMBA (Pogibm)
New member Username: Pogibm Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2002 |
No comparison, a TR is real car, an NSX will always be a "HooNDaa"................. | ||
| nick l (Nsxnick)
New member Username: Nsxnick Post Number: 47 Registered: 7-2001 |
i sold my nsx a few months ago in hopes of getting a 355. after realizing the maintenance costs of a ferrari, i ended up getting another nsx. if you have very deep pockets by all means get a TR. the nsx will never compare to the TR's exotic image. | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Junior Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 203 Registered: 3-2002 |
lol @ Ernesto... I wonder how an Enzo would look with a carbon fiber racing wing... | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 55 Registered: 6-2002 |
i dont know about a full blown race nsx being needed to keep up with a 512 tr, but i agree, the 512 is an awesome vehicle. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1429 Registered: 2-2001 |
course if you really want to humiliate an NSX you get a 512TR. Only a full blown NSX race car can keep up with a road going 512TR | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1428 Registered: 2-2001 |
Is the car for you or for your wife ? If its for you, Who cares what she thinks | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 710 Registered: 2-2001 |
They just get mad when they see cars with bigger wings than them... Lambo guys are all about the wings... Ernesto | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Junior Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 199 Registered: 3-2002 |
Do Lambo guys have a thing for Toyota? lol... | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 708 Registered: 2-2001 |
Funny how the Supra keeps coming up... LOL... Ernesto | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Junior Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 198 Registered: 3-2002 |
Niether the NSX or TR have power steering... Get a TR... What about a F355? | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 54 Registered: 6-2002 |
my wife drives an Nsx and loves it. a testarossa may be too hard for her to drive, not only are the controls tough, but the car is very wide, making for easy curbing, and front bumper scrapes. id recommend a 348 or 328 over the testarossa.in terms of straightline power, at least below 100, a late model nsx will be every bit as fast, if not faster than the testarossa. as ernesto stated, you could get a supra, but then again, why not just save some money and get a celica? | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2694 Registered: 2-2001 |
The TR is awesome. The NSX is like a big Integra. I have only driven each once, but there was no comparison. I was surprised by how little power the NSX had and how unsporty it was to steer and the gearing. Drive the TR and it will leave you trying to figure out how soon you can buy one. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 706 Registered: 2-2001 |
Get the TR, hands down. The Acura is a nice ride, but VERY low on power. The TR will be a more exotic and looks much better. If you are going to get a japanese sports car, at least buy a fast one... Ernesto | ||
| Devin (Ddd910)
New member Username: Ddd910 Post Number: 4 Registered: 4-2002 |
I've seen a car video comparing 91nsx with 91TR on a oval track, suprisingly they finished side by side. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 227 Registered: 4-2002 |
Buy a Silver TR, classy and nice. | ||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Junior Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 240 Registered: 7-2002 |
The TR has no pwr steering so that is probably what she is complaining about. A TR is timeless in my opinion whereas the NSX is a tired design that has not changed at all in 10+years. If she doesn't like flashy then consider a 328 or some "less flashy" ferrari. There are no "non flashy" ferraris. She will get way more respect in a f-car than a acura. | ||
| Luigi Nicoletti (2mmuch)
New member Username: 2mmuch Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2002 |
Looking at buying a TR but my wife thinks its to flashy, not practical and its to hard for her to drive. She drove an NSX and said it was wonderful. Can't make up my mind. Never drove a TR to compare. |