| Author | Message | ||
| john (Johnwto)
Junior Member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 74 Registered: 6-2002 |
well, 5 months after saying how expensive brian jessel was, i eat my words. just bought an 02 360 from stuart and it is awesome! the service provided by stuart was fantastic and the car was every bit as perfect as he said it would be. a big thanks to stuart and brian jessel ferrari, they are great! | ||
| john (Johnwto)
New member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 24 Registered: 6-2002 |
thanks stuart. sounds like the guys who deal with you are quite happy. | ||
| DONALD GRIESDALE (Griesdale)
Junior Member Username: Griesdale Post Number: 56 Registered: 11-2001 |
Chriatian, I agree with you. I have nothing but good to report about Brian Jessel Ferrari and his sales and service team!! Stuart and his staff will welcome anyone in to the showroom at any time and spend time to show you around. I bought my 91 TR there, have it serviced there, and buy my "toys" there. Every car new and used has the price and some history clearly marked on the windscreen and I'm sure that there is some bargaining room for a serious purchaser. If you don't want to pay a premium for a pre-owned 360 then put down a deposit on a new one at MSRP. One thing that I've learned is that the "RICH" among us never buy a NEW car. Stuart, I'll talk to about that '97 456 GTA if it is still in stock!! Don. | ||
| Christian (Christiank)
Member Username: Christiank Post Number: 417 Registered: 1-2001 |
Haven't been posting on the board for a while. Be nice to Brian Jessel and Stuart. They are "MY" dealership in Western Canada and they are good people. Expensive? 95 Canadian an hour minus 10 % discount for FNA members equals to 55 US/hour. That's on the cheap side. Just go there, even if you don't buy from them, they will treat you with respect. I didn't buy a car there, just some small orders for parts, that's it. Hope my information helps to clear up the subject somehow. | ||
| Devin (Ddd910)
New member Username: Ddd910 Post Number: 5 Registered: 4-2002 |
Stuart, could you explain why brian jessel ferrari is allow to sell new cars over MSRP(cars that are cancelled by customers)?? I'm cirious.... | ||
| Stuart M. Coutts (Nocar)
New member Username: Nocar Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2002 |
Whew,what a relief. I thought we were doing something wrong. Thanks for the explanations guys. Keep in mind that if it is Porsche or Ferrari and it is "over" that common sense would show that we paid "over". No car dealer in his right mind would try to get rich on one car and not look 25 years ahead. Some of you in private business would look at of the % of profit in the car business and wonder why we risk capital in this business at all. Like anything success is volume.I have a customer that sells pencils but I bet he sells a lot of them. John, There is no middleman in Ferrari distribution. The factory sells to FNA, an owned sub. of Ferrari S.p.a. Every dealer in NA buys from FNA and sells into their area.Interesting sales pitch though huh? As in "we control the cars." Also, our new cars are for sale in Western Canada only. As for pre-owned,I have found our pricing to be exactly the same as the other dealers and our cars continue to sell to people who I know are very aware of their research. I appreciate the feedback, thanks for the explanations.Enjoy your cars! | ||
| john (Johnwto)
New member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 23 Registered: 6-2002 |
ryan, if the sales manager wants to know why i think his dealership is expensive it might be becasue he is selling 360 spiders for 50K over list. | ||
| john (Johnwto)
New member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 22 Registered: 6-2002 |
mmm, sounds like the one word response didnt go over too well. i have bought two ferrari's since 98. a 355F1 and a 360. both were bought from ferrari-of-ontario, also an authorized ferrari dealer. in fact brian jessel places orders through ferrari of ontario to receive their inventory. when researching my ferrari purchases i looked at brian jessel both times. in each instance i found them to be well over market value for both toronto and vancouver. they also carry other vehicles and pre-owned or trade-ins whatever....i remember them having a porsche turbo marked up over 20K when dealers were selling them for list with only a 4 month wait. also when i sold my 355 i called brian jessel (the dealership) and they really low balled me on the offer. so this is not to say that they are bad and if they can get the money good for them. but if anyone is looking for a ferrari you can get them a whole lot cheaper than brian jessel ferrari. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2141 Registered: 12-2000 |
Hey Stuart! Nice to see you here... I'm looking forward to seeing the new location. When did you say you'll be moving there? About prices, I bought the majority of my rebuild parts from them as they were cheaper than the aftermarket suppliers (and I will be back for the winter discounts...  ). Some items, well... Like distributor caps are through the roof, even when converted to US to compare to other Ferrari dealers. 308 head gaskets were really expensive. Items like that. I'm sure though you don't get that many customers walking in for rebuild parts. In fact, back then, Tim confessed to me I was the only one. | ||
| Guillaume (Vancooper)
New member Username: Vancooper Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2002 |
So Stuart, I don't know if you can disclose this info but how many Enzo's have you guys been allocated? I don't want to know who is the buyer but only to know if I'll ever get to see that car in my hometown? | ||
| Stuart M. Coutts (Nocar)
New member Username: Nocar Post Number: 6 Registered: 11-2002 |
cool GT/4 those are fun cars;kids in the back too. first of all let's establish that I am not here trying to do a little horse trading. I will be happy to answer questions though. U.S deals are fairly simple.Divide the Canadian price by 1.56 roughly for U.S. $. U.S duty requires 2.71% and the import can be handled by a U.S D.O.T authorized guy for about $ 300. U.S export is huge from Canada for general car makes especially trucks. Some brokers have made their fortunes on it I am sure. I always suggest trying to buy from your local dealer as they can give you overall service in the best manner. for others: Threesixty, nice spider,fess up where do I know you from? Ralph has moved on but that Z-8 was a killer car. Lowered,straight pipes,drilled rotors and enough radar jammers to light up NORAD. My wife has just discovered me talking about Ferrari's from my home computer so will take her "ferrari's 24 & 7" comment under advisement and go play the new 'need for speed' PS 2 instead. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 357 Registered: 4-2002 |
Stuart: Do you sell used cars to us Yankees? And if so, what's involved fee/tax-wise and red tape-wise? | ||
| Stuart M. Coutts (Nocar)
New member Username: Nocar Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2002 |
wow, lot's of guys here. hello Lawrence thanks for the words. every dealer should welcome enthusiasts, owners or not. In response to the comments, yes I look at the board every two days or so as I find it interesting.I'm into Ferrari's go figure huh? I must admit that after looking in today I am amazed at the number of posters and owners on the site.The enthusiasim for Ferrari here is really great to see. Reminds me of the Ferrari worship that we saw in Monza this year.Those fans know of nothing else in this world. I really was just looking for feed back on the comment made, but look at everyone else paying attention that responded. I take feedback seriously in the hope that we can avoid ever becoming the evil dealer that you cringe to enter. I have experienced that before in my youth.So really, saying we are expensive means what? I never experienced anyone handing me a cheque and saying "wow,I am really unhappy, that car was too much coin." I buy cars personally all the time and I don't execute the deal until I think it is fair for both parties. It almost sounds to me like saying my girlfriends legs are too long and her breasts are too big. It is a free market and I can easily go after flat and stubby.Anyway, we'll hold off on cutting prices for now but if anyone comes down on the weekend we'll have balloons and hot dogs for the kids and pony rides too. | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
New member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 37 Registered: 8-2002 |
Stuart! Nice to see you here! Although I haven't bought a car from him yet (just some odds and ends), I've visited Stuart quite a few times and he and his staff have always made me feel welcome there spending their valuable time for lowly me. It's a very professional organization and they support the FCA wholeheartedly providing their facilities for their meetings and such. Just my honest opinion.... | ||
| John L. Jordan Jr. (Up2nogd)
Junior Member Username: Up2nogd Post Number: 72 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hey I'm with Doody on this one! I think if a Ferrari dealer is taking the time to surf F-Chat "off the clock" - means only one of two things - he is really a loser that has nothing else in the world to do "or" he loves what he does, seeing and selling F-cars! I personally don't know the guy but bet its the second! Nice to know who is out there! Just my .02 - okay I've placed the bullseye on my forehead - fire at will! Johnny | ||
| Guillaume (Vancooper)
New member Username: Vancooper Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2002 |
Well, someone wanting to know about Brian Jessel Ferrari... I've never bought a Ferrari but I've been to the dealership two or three times to buy Ferrari scale models and shirts. Even though I may not buy a Ferrari in the next 5, 10 or even 15 years, Stuart's gentlemen-like way of welcoming me, even not being an immediate customer, will make me go to Brian Jessel Ferrari to buy one when the day comes in the future! As for prices, well I think that they are reasonable now for the second hand cars. They had one blue Maranello for sale recently at like CAD 219K and I think and that's a very attractive price! They recently sold a heavily discounted Z8 to my friend Danny... I have one question for you Mr Coutts though, what happenned to the original Maserati sales manager you had before? Ralph Schonwetter right? | ||
| D B (Threesixty)
Junior Member Username: Threesixty Post Number: 81 Registered: 8-2002 |
Stuart, how soon (well maybe not that soon) you seem to forget MSAG | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member Username: Doody Post Number: 570 Registered: 11-2001 |
i think stuart's a hoot, guys! lighten up! i definitely welcome any and all dealers on this board. i think it can be wildly helpful for us and wildly helpful for them. it's a win-win. for example, having martin and howie here as independents is clearly valuable. sean harris has been superbly informative. and so on. i remember dealing with one of the canadian dealers on a 355 - they were more than happy to sell to the US. none of them are supposed to sell NEW cars outside their territories now (i believe FNA has penalties in place?). and let's skip the wolf analogy - his profile makes it clear who he is. it's trivial to look him up on google. in fact, he seems a lot more respectable than some of us here ;-) doody. PS: and not to make it sound like i live under the desks at FNA, but i agree that the "EXPENSIVE" response is less than helpful. data is helpful. single world adjective posts aren't terribly informative. | ||
| Stuart M. Coutts (Nocar)
New member Username: Nocar Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2002 |
I order my food no MSG, makes my head buzz. Anyway, this board is always interesting just thought someone might be able to be specific and explain expensive compared to what? I find them rather expensive when we buy them as well. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1101 Registered: 4-2002 |
arlie the animation is only been lately, but the sarcasism has been there from 1 b.c. bruce | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 363 Registered: 5-2002 |
Bruce, I don't think that it could qualify as Ed Gault humor unless it contained an animated character for everyone's amusement. | ||
| D B (Threesixty)
Junior Member Username: Threesixty Post Number: 80 Registered: 8-2002 |
A little expensive too. And I've heard you don't sell outside Canada? Miss the MSAG days? | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1100 Registered: 4-2002 |
horsefly check it out 3 posts for this gentleman and already he is a comedian...doesnt he have to past the test with ed gault first??before he can start controversy?? | ||
| Stuart M. Coutts (Nocar)
New member Username: Nocar Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2002 |
Horsefly,I come in peace, not to kill your sheep. | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 362 Registered: 5-2002 |
Houston do we have a problem? Er,...Roger that wolf in the fold, Apollo! | ||
| Stuart M. Coutts (Nocar)
New member Username: Nocar Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2002 |
It is very simple,feedback of all kinds is very positive. Why wouldn't the dealer be curious? Why do you find this interesting? | ||
| Ryanab (Ryanab)
Junior Member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 132 Registered: 3-2002 |
Interesting... The Sales Manager for Brian Jessel was a lurker and now wants to know why HIS dealership is "Expensive"... | ||
| Stuart M. Coutts (Nocar)
New member Username: Nocar Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2002 |
John don't be so vague. Provide an example for him, I'm curious. I have found that in a free market, people will not buy EXPENSIVE!! | ||
| Crusing (Crusing)
New member Username: Crusing Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2002 |
Is that more so than any other authorized dealer? | ||
| john (Johnwto)
New member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 21 Registered: 6-2002 |
EXPENSIVE !! | ||
| Crusing (Crusing)
New member Username: Crusing Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2002 |
How's their service? service prices? and sales department. Does anyone have any horror stories? Any of your knowledge would be great. Thanks in advance. |