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| BretM (Bretm)
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Yeah I picked it up. I don't see how they gave the M3 the win, I mean the vette raped it in every category, it wasn't even close. But like you said I guess the M3 is more practical, but I wouldn't buy a sports car because it's practical. Ferraris are the furthest thing from that. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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They gave it to the M3 because it had what the Vette would never in its dreams have.... two rear seats. | ||
| David Albright (Dalbright)
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It was interesting to see that the Z06 won all of the tests but they still handed the trophy over to the M3! Would have liked to see the new Z06 with 405hp in an extensive test. Maybe in the near future. Go with the M3 Bret!! | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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I saw that this evening. Couldn't see much past the tire smoke... They probably could've gotten faster times if they hadn't been sliding the cars so much in the corners, oh well, thats TV for ya! | ||
| David Albright (Dalbright)
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Bret, MotorTrend has an article this month on just our very question: M3 vs Z06...forgot, they also mentioned the BoxsterS. Also, they will be airing the show tonight on SpeedVision at 7:30. Will do comparison tests of all three. ps They cover the 2001 Z06 w/385hp...not the new one! | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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Worship I would not necessarily say. The Corvette is known as the "pimp-mobile". Until recently the Corvette was a bad driving car. Did not make much difference on the US roads, but take it to the Autobahn and open it up. Scary get a whole new meaning! At 110Mph the car gets a life of its own. The car becomes Tigger in the hundred acre woods. bounce bounce bounce. I am talking about the 1991 - 1992. I was told that the new ones are much better. Still knowledgable drivers stay away from the Corvettes. Bad car, bad image. A Ferrari is even rarer than a Corvette in Europe and turns more heads. I agree in one thing. It is an awefull lot of HP in a good looking pack for relatively little money! ...but so is a beefed up Dodge Neon with twin-turbos and 300hp. Fast & Furious or better know as "Scary Movie 3" | ||
| Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
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WELCOME BACK ED! Hey, My sentiments exactly (see below) -- got to Europe and they absolutely worship the Corvette..more so than we do to Ferrari here! | ||
| Herbert Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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Anyone who looks at the Corvette objectively will have to admit that it is a lot of car for the money. If it had a ferrari badge on it, $250,000. Only problem is that you see them on every street corner, but there is good reason, it's exotic, and dependable at a bargain price. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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First of all, I'm glad someone is finally speaking some foreign language I understand. I love the Ferrari, I took some really good pictures of it today. David it's funny that you say that, today I went to the BMW dealership to look at them but they were closed. BMW kids my age are snobbish a lot and I don't want to be a part of that, but the M3 is sweet. I've come to the conclusion: I shall plan on getting a new Z06 (should be out in a week or two the guy said), damn that car is sexy, tough, and fast (sub 4 0-60). If for some reason I can't get a Z06 by the end of the summer, I'm gonna get a new M3. I think there should be enough Z06s available, the Chevy guy said he would have them. On the topic of girls, today at the Chevy dealership there was this hot girl my age working there who was into flirting, and I don't even think she saw the Ferrari. Looks like I'll be going to look at vettes again soon. | ||
| David Albright (Dalbright)
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Dina, sei Italiana? Di dove sei? Io sono di Napoli. Per adesso vivo vicino a Washington DC. | ||
| Adelina V. (Dina)
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BretM, Just keep your Ferrari ! P.S. I teach Italian/French/Spanish/Latin.Also teach Japanese to Junior High level. Dina. | ||
| David Albright (Dalbright)
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PSS Maybe you can get an internship with William! | ||
| David Albright (Dalbright)
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Hey Bret, did you also consider the M3. The performance numbers are close to that of the Z06 and you can fit extra girls in it. Plus, the car should be more reliable than a Vette. I actually like both cars, but I think I would go with the M3 first. PS Are you going away to college or going somewhere local. Good luck with your studies. You should do a survey of what careers have led up to everyone on the board buying a Ferrari. I'm a Software Consultant. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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I still have hair, it's dirty blonde. Dina I too am curious as to what language you teach. I speak quite a bit of German, almost fluent Spanish, and a lot of Italian (but not really fluent). | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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Martin, you forgot to say: "DOHHH!" | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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Lost my hair yesterday! Got a call from the mechanic at the local gas station that the window motor for my parents Crown Victoria to replace is $ 250.00. I thought that my Ferrari was expensive! Result I pulled out all my hair. No more blond! Look like Homer now! | ||
| Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
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Blonde, brunette, redhead? I am curious how many drivers on this chat even have hair (weaves and plugs etc count). I am also curious how it breaks out in terms of berlinettas vs. cabriolets and no I am not a statistician nor president of the hair club for men. If thsi is getting too personal then we can go back to talking just about red heads of the Rosso v-12 variety! | ||
| Dave L (Davel)
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No, blonde or brunette or redhead, you never know who you will meet in the sportscar world. Respect those who drive what they drive and you might make some good friends or something even better  | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Dina, I don't discriminate based on hair color. A sports car doesn't care what color your hair is. BTW, what language(s) do you teach? | ||
| Adelina Vallese (Dina)
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Hey guys, does that mean I have to dye my hair blonde ? | ||
| Dave L (Davel)
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HI thought Id add to this debate/discussion. I think both cars are good true sports cars with a distinct heritage. The Vette is a good car for the money and it will perform daily as a driver. Corvette has a rich racing heritage and started out as a 6 cyl car with no power. The Ferrari has the heritage and it started out with a smaller engine as well. The Ferrari has the mystique. Thats the difference and that is a function of marketing. Ferrari is a genius at marketing a mystique. With limited availability its not uncommon to hear the words 'I never see a Ferrari' in these threads debating certain cars. Funny that comes up as I own a 94 Lotus S4. Rare yes, even more so than a Ferrari and a well known sports car tuning shop owner(BMW), opted for a Lotus over a 930 Turbo for that fact alone. If Corvette were marketed as such, with a limited availability, we might refer to them as rare and exciting. I have respect for all cars common or not. We are lucky to drive them at all no matter the make. I get as many compliments in my 82 Alfa GTV6(superb conditon) as my Lotus. I am looking for my first Ferrari and have joined your site for info and tips. I know quite a bit about them as I have always loved them. I will add this. You should have met the woman I did yesterday in a 99 vette. She happends to be the president of one of the local Vette clubs here in town. Any blonde in a sportscar always has my respect. No matter the make | ||
| Dave L (Davel)
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HI thought Id add to this debate/discussion. I think both cars are good true sports cars with a distinct heritage. The Vette is a good car for the money and it will perform daily as a driver. Corvette has a rich racing heritage and started out as a 6 cyl car with no power. The Ferrari has the heritage and it started out with a smaller engine as well. The Ferrari has the mystique. Thats the difference and that is a function of marketing. Ferrari is a genius at marketing a mystique. With limited availability its not uncommon to hear the words 'I never see a Ferrari' in these threads debating certain cars. Funny that comes up as I own a 94 Lotus S4. Rare yes, even more so than a Ferrari and a well known sports car tuning show owner(BMW) opted for a Lotus over a 930 Turbo for that fact alone. If Corvette were marketed as such, with a limited availability we might refer to them as rare and exciting. I have respect for all cars common or not. We are lucky to drive them at all no matter the make. I get as many compliments in my 82 Alfa GTV6(superb conditon) as my Lotus. I am looking for my first Ferrari and have joined your sight for info and tips. I know quite a bit about them as I have always loved them. I will add this. You should have met the woman I did yesterday in a 99 vette. She happends to be the president of one of the local Vette clubs here in town. Any blonde in a sportscar always has my respect. No matter the make | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
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If I had to use the car daily, the Z06 for sure. If I spent a lot of time on the track, again it would be the Z06. Depreciation will probably be greater with the Z06 but it will have a warranty. It won't have the intagible personality of the Ferrari. Bret, if depreciation is a concern, would suggest that you wait for '02. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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Seems the Z06 is Chevy's Viper Killer, except it does it with finesse instead of outright power. 0-60 in UNDER 4.0 & as fast or faster than a Viper around a lot of tracks. Damn, what a car, too bad its a bit homely | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Well said Martin. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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I would say that Martin summed it up best. Well done. William, how is the current Z06? I have driven a couple of normal C5s but not the Z06 yet. My dad wants me to get this new one (2002 405hp)that is coming out, but it might not be out for a couple months and I don't know if I can wait that long because of college and stuff. I think the current one would be pretty much just as good, but I'm not sure about the depreciation hit that it will take with a new one coming out. You think it will do bad? | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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Magoo, that was truely a great statement. It brought tears to my eyes ! To me comparing these two is like comparing a karate fighter with the schoolyard bully. Yes the bully will beat up more guys but the karate fighter does it in style. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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for just driving around town its a toss up, whichever u like the best. For the track, its Only the Z06, thats 1 Bad Vette | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Bret, A guy has to do what a guy has to do. If this is what you chose, then enjoy. Maybe someday you will feel again as all Ferrari owners do that the Ferrari is truly unique and is like no other car. Until then best of luck. Somehow I think we will be hearing from you again, RE:another Ferrari. You can put a guy in the seat of a Corvette, but you can't take the Ferrari out of the guy. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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You guys always pick on Chevy, seriously, support America. The Vette is a totally different car, it can be your only car whereas the Ferrari needs to only be a toy really, you can't honestly expect to own only an older Ferrari as your primary mode of transportation. Chevy makes some great vehicles and you have to remember that if they wanted to they could destroy Ferrari in any racing class. They are different approaches to cars and should both be given their respect for what they are. You can't really pick one of the other because the situation you were in would really be the determining factor, not the car. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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I'm selling my 85 308GTSqv and probably getting a 2002 Z06 Vette (405HP, wow). It's more reliable and I need that in the future. But, it'll never sound like the Ferrari or drive like it. It will take it in every performance category but doesnt have that Italian flair. | ||
| Greg Reinacker (Gregr)
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You know, I just traded in a 1999 Corvette convertible (not a Z06) for a 1989 348ts ($60K) about 2 weeks ago. I actually like them both a lot - so I might be able to be somewhat unbiased. Here are my comments for each: Corvette: 1. Great car; people on ferrarilist.com don't seem to like them at all, but for the price, it's really an amazing car. 2. Very fast, good handling (although front-engined cars intrinsically handle differently than mid/rear-engined cars; not better or worse, just different). Hands down, the Corvette is a faster car 0-60, if that's what you're into. 3. A little creaky. Far better than any earlier Corvettes, but I was a little disappointed that my $50K Corvette would have so many squeaks and rattles after 22,000 miles. 4. Amazing torque at any speed. 5. Relatively maintenance-free. In 22000 miles, the only thing I had to do that wasn't covered by warranty was turn the rotors (managed to convince them to cover them under warranty), adjust the parking brake (1hr of labor, come on guys), and scheduled maintenance. Ferrari: 1. It's a Ferrari. The looks you get, and the reactions you get from people, are completely different. Of course, I was never called a pimp in my Corvette... ;-) 2. Very solid car. Chassis feels VERY tight, exactly what I hoped for/expected from a world-class sports car. The only squeaks and rattles seem to occur when the top is on the car; you can hear the top reacting to the flexing of the car a bit. 3. The car's not quite as fast as the Corvette, but the sound of a Ferrari V-8 is something magical, at least for me. Totally subjective, I suppose. If you want to light-em-up, the Corvette's a better choice. 4. Seats are excellent - very supportive. Much more appropriate for the track than the Corvette seats were. The pedal position takes some getting used to (they're further to the right relative to the seat than I was used to), but it works well. The dead pedal seems obnoxious when driving in the city, but it's in the correct position for racing. Hope that helps...and by the way, I love the Ferrari; no regrets. The Corvette had lost its magic for me. Greg | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
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I would have to opt for a Ferrari....any Ferrari over a Vette. Sure Vettes are fast blah blah blah, but I see 10-15 Corvettes a day here in Atlanta. But you always see that occasional Ferrari that gets my heart beating harder. I just love Ferraris. Think about resale values too. Go for the late model 348. Just my .02 | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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Drive both and you will see the difference. Once you sit in perfect stiched leather seats, comfortable yet lots of grip for G-forces, once you hear the engine roar and the smooth brawl take you into a hypnosis like state, once the first gear is in and you slowly accelerate and the RPM's climb equal to the engine noise, once that smile on your face develops because you realize that you are not sitting in plastic but true racing development from F-1, once you get over the fact that you seriously considered a Corvette being in the same league as a Ferrari, you will write that check and never look back, ever again, I guarantee it! | ||
| Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
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Based on power and price, not style, Familia, mystique or any of the other wonderful things associated with Ferrari, everyone I have ever talked to (and I haven't driven a vette, yet) says for $50k hands down the Vette (z06) is the best BANG for the BUCK in sportscars. I have also never driven a 348 so I'm not in ANY position to compare the two, drive wise. here's a short article comparing a Z06 to a 360f1: http://www.men360.com/em_0101_001.asp Notice I didn't say which I'd prefer, just that the concensus is as stated above, so that I don't get blamed for recommending the C-heapest H-eap E-n V-isioned Y-et. -Ben | ||
| Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
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Ladies & Gentlemen; I submit to you for provocation, what would we objectively advise an enthusist to spend about $48-50K in high-performance dollars on a 348 (with all its issues-but a Ferrari none the less) or a new vette z06 ( under 4 sec. performance, outhandles a porsche but is still a front engine chevy). just a thought as a Ferrari lover pouring $$'s into my cars, I have long ago lost all sense of objectvity. Although I always felt if that vette had a prancing horse on its nose, it would be priced at $150K and we would all be crazy over it. |