| Author | Message | ||
| Dan B. (Dan_the_man)
Junior Member Username: Dan_the_man Post Number: 71 Registered: 9-2002 |
Hubert, I live along the gulf coast, so it is possible to make a road atlanta run. | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 54 Registered: 9-2002 |
Hubert...I was just making a general comment regarding the demographic that soups up these cars..most are indeed sideways basball cap wearing boyz(bad-boy-want-a-be's).. It is excatly the same as a few years ago when everybody and their brother owned a 5.0 mustang. I'm not aganist Hondas by anymeans they are fantastic cars..for daily driving and yes when they are done correctly for racing they can be very fast..I have seen it with my own eyes. But I hate the general attitude that emminates from alot of these people which makes me hate the cars that are all souped up,and want to race everything on the street. They seem to think that if it's a Honda it's the fastest thing on the road when really a Cadillac STS could walk away from it in reverse. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 338 Registered: 1-2002 |
Tom- Considering my membership here, of course, I would take the F355, are you kidding?! However, my point(s) were two fold: 1. my comment wasn't to say that I would prefer a honda over a ferrari, it was to say that not every honda/owner/racer is a clueless dunce that puts sticker on his car to '..get mad bitches, yo!..' and 2., if you're motivation in buying any car is to impress women, you're mom, or whomever, then you've missed the boat. If you bought the car to fulfill a personal accomplishment, thats a different story. Anyway, I'm not going to pontificate, need an address to send the 355's keys to, shoot me an email. Happy holidays. | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 53 Registered: 9-2002 |
Hubert...Don't need a car for clout...Just making a general statement that would be very true..example..park a souped up Honda beside a stock Ferrari and watch to see how many people look at the Ferrari compared to the Honda. Also ask yourself this question.. You have a chocie between say a F355 spyder or a souped up Honda. What would your choice be...And be honest because the only one you would be lying to is yourself. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 336 Registered: 1-2002 |
Dan B- The link is funny, the sterotype, well, it is what it is. BTW- where in the south? I may be 'touring' some of th tracks around the country this christmas season, road atlanta perhaps? Tom- Buying a given car for 'clout'? I guess, man. | ||
| Dan B. (Dan_the_man)
Junior Member Username: Dan_the_man Post Number: 69 Registered: 9-2002 |
oh by the way, I think the link is a hoot!!!! Hubert, If I lived within a half day of Cal I would be there just to see what we could do. I live in the South, thus it is out for me. I am willing to put my Ferrari up against any Asian Import on a road course. Especially a Honda. Tom, that was great. I laughed good at that one. I had read another post earlier and it aggravated me, and then when I read Chis's comments here I had to reply. | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
New member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 50 Registered: 9-2002 |
I comes down to this...when your in a club or bar talking to a girl and the subject of cars comes up(happeneds more often than not) what would you rather say you own? A Ferrari or a Honda? I can just hear the conversation "ya baby I drive a Honda....But It's rally fast...baby?.....hey baby...were ya going? aw come on really... its fast I swear, it has a big wing and everything..please come back... | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 806 Registered: 10-2001 |
Hubert, the page where the joke is on was started by a "civic" guy. I thought it was funny and I'm glad that we "can all just get along"  | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 331 Registered: 1-2002 |
Matt- I dig. Again, I'm not trying to belabor a moot point (defending or arguing the merits of a honda on a ferrari board), as I'm here to learn about Ferrari's, not convert anyone, but once in a while there is a comment that's made and I reply, no animosity or antagonism intended. -hubert happy holidays, matt. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 661 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hubert, Thanks for the invite but I will be out of town. When I made the reference about street ferrari's beating imports, it was a reference to the poorly tuned cars. Not yours or the others. It was addressing the non-racing tuned cars that the owner thinks are tuned for racing. This was my sumation "Granted some imports are done right and perform well. What we are addressing are the imports that have the cut springs, dangerous alterations, and no saftey equipment that race on public streets." | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 330 Registered: 1-2002 |
Matt- Granted, the sterotype exists for a reason, okay. However, regarding your quote: "..Any street ferrari can out perform an import on a road course." Nov. 29th Buttonwillow track day, are you game? See my thread in the so. cal forum; there will be over 4 hours of track time, I'll be in the int/advanced group, make it if you can, even to spectate, I'll take you around; curious to see what you'd say. -hubert | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 660 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hubert, It has nothing to do about being a marque snob. It's a joke. I am sure the import tuners have all sorts of jokes about ferrari. Hell, even ferrari has jokes about ferrari. There is no question what a hyper tuned import can do in the 1/4 mile. And as for boasting for a challange. Any street ferrari can out perform an import on a road course. Most are imports are... 1. running garash wings that are usually set incorrectly and are designed by a 19 year who thinks he knows it all 2. running garash body kits that slow it down. 3. Are running mismatched wheels. 4. running brakes designed and installed by the same 19 year old 5. running the same spring rate in the front as well as the rear. ( a recommendation by the same 19 year old) giving the car a unsafe bounce 6. cannot see out the window from the window tint 7. afraid to race because they might damage the neon under the car 8. the road coarse might cause the cd to skip Granted some imports are done right and perform well. What we are addressing are the imports that have the cut springs, dangerous alterations, and no saftey equipment that race on public streets. Those are the cars that this joke was addressing. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 328 Registered: 1-2002 |
Dan- While you are entitled to your opinion, I cordially invite you to attend ANY track day and come share the track with me and my street 'Hon-duh'; and feel free to bring a street Ferrari of any vintage; I'll run street tires, of course. And while I'm not going to digress regarding the merits of v8's and why Honda's suck, etc. I will say that unless you've driven, raced, tracked any of the cars that you speak of, you shouldn't be such a marque snob. Respectfully, hubert | ||
| Dan B. (Dan_the_man)
Junior Member Username: Dan_the_man Post Number: 68 Registered: 9-2002 |
If we are going to include "track" civic's and other fully modified Honda's, then lets start rolling out the Bob Norwood Ferrari's...... get a grip. If you want to compare new civic's to old Ferrari's to make the Ferrari's look bad, then your wasting your breath and showing your ignorance. As far as that goes, let's see one of your streetable Honda's spank the Ford Lighting? again, Get a grip. Honda's are slow. Dollar for dollar on production add ons hondas suck. For that money, I could easily build a very reliable (extreme mod's kill even honda's reliability)and streetable V8 that would be a hell of a lot more enjoyable and fun to drive and stomp a hole in that Hondas trunk. Actually, for the mod cost alone I could go buy a Factory stock American made V8 that would spank a honda's butt. And if you come back with some stupid uneducated statement about V8's being out dated and slow then you need to get your head out of those stupid "we want to sell your dumb ass some junk" import magazines. Honda's suck. What moron designs their engines to run CCW? Honda that's who! Dan PS I would take a twenty year old Toyota over ANY honda ANY day! | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 804 Registered: 10-2001 |
Chris the thread was not about bashing Hondas by any means. It was just like it says, a funny story. I personally like alot of the stuff people do to Imports, after all my last car before the Ferrari was a Fiero GT with a 300Hp V8 Cadillac Northstar engine in it doing the 1/4 mile in the low 13's. Lighten up! | ||
| David J. Smith (Darkhorse512)
Junior Member Username: Darkhorse512 Post Number: 56 Registered: 10-2002 |
Roel is right. How much can you really learn about a car or a driver's abilities in a straight line for all of 1320 feet? Drag racing is all about acceleration and not much else. I don't think 9 or 10 seconds is enough time to determine how good a car is. You're leaving out weight transition fore, aft, left, right, cornering and braking abilities (Something that a 4RE is good at right off the showroom floor). | ||
| Roel de Fouw (Spawnz)
Junior Member Username: Spawnz Post Number: 76 Registered: 6-2002 |
James, good thing ferraris were never designed for the dragstrip. A dragstrip is no racetrack :x But you knew that. | ||
| Chris Coleman (Dmc4cc)
New member Username: Dmc4cc Post Number: 50 Registered: 2-2001 |
Surprisingly Richmond's a big tuner town. Civic are the majority of the run here, several CRX downtown run gutted with supercharged Type-R motors. Other than 355's, 360's and supercars: these Civic were regularly faster at VIR than higher priced cars. I worked to build some of these cars and I believe the tag was around $35,000, not too bad for a race car, but it drove more like a stonecrusher than anything else around town. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 373 Registered: 7-2001 |
lol I actually do have a couple of videos of 9 second civics laying it down on the 1/4 mile. I have been on a few honda forums where the owner broke down the price to build one of those cars and it was quite high. The majority of the costs were actually having to design, build and fabricate various parts as the stock and aftermarket parts could not handle the power. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 470 Registered: 8-2002 |
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| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 372 Registered: 7-2001 |
"Besides I could name quite a few civics that could embarrass most Ferrari's on the track" Now...I'm always down for some good old fashioned Ferrari bashing, especially when lower priced cars stick it to the high priced F-car in the performance category. However, I have yet to see a civic (I'm a civic SI owner) that could embarrass a Ferrari in any category, except for reliability, low maintenance cost and quality control. | ||
| Chris Coleman (Dmc4cc)
New member Username: Dmc4cc Post Number: 49 Registered: 2-2001 |
This is a tasteless post completely. Its just as if someone made a comic of Ferrari owners 200,000 speed quest. Honda's are incredible cars and strut bars increase torsional rigidity, and COld AIr intakes really do increase power. You should care that people care about their 10,000 civic jsut as much as your Ferrari, they share the same passion in different ways. Besides I could name quite a few civics that could embarrass most Ferrari's on the track so lets not insult other's passion or else you may expect the same. | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 767 Registered: 10-2001 |
Jim, where can I get one of those? LOL | ||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 472 Registered: 7-2002 |
I saw a '79 trans am in san fran last week with the factory spoiler on the rear with the F40 style wing (mistubishi eclipse?)on the trunk. CLASSY! | ||
| Frank Foster (Sparta49)
Junior Member Username: Sparta49 Post Number: 130 Registered: 3-2001 |
I thought my 308 was slower when I removed the Shield stickers from the fenders | ||
| Anthony (Anthony_ferrari)
New member Username: Anthony_ferrari Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2002 |
I see! That's where I'm going wrong. Not enough stickers on my car! It's no wonder those F1 cars go fast - they're covered in stickers! | ||
| David J. Smith (Darkhorse512)
New member Username: Darkhorse512 Post Number: 40 Registered: 10-2002 |
Thats just about every other Honda in California. He forgot to try the fiber glass hood, clear fast blink turn signals and an oversized dual element rear wing. According to his friends I bet they will also make the car faster. I was waiting for the part where hecomes to his senses and gets a Ferrari. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2800 Registered: 12-2000 |
As Nika would say... "Oh gawd", funny, but put in OT next time. Thanks. | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 763 Registered: 10-2001 |
Guys I came across this and laughed a long time...enjoy http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~attse/honduh.htm |