| Author | Message | ||
| billy zissis (89tr)
Junior Member Username: 89tr Post Number: 127 Registered: 4-2001 |
I too own an NSX. Great car to drive but definitely a liitle low in the power department. This car keeps right up there with the 355 in the handling department. Remember speed isn't everything. First is handling/suspension. Second is driver skill. Third is power. You can have an 800 hp charger that is fast but not quick. What fun is it just doing straight 1/4 milis anyway? | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
New member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 21 Registered: 3-2002 |
"The NSX probably does handle better. I have driven a few and they are great driving cars, although a (*bit short on power and grunt*)." Comptech offers an NSX supercharger, I think. | ||
| Ernesto Sgroi (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 297 Registered: 2-2001 |
The NSX probably does handle better. I have driven a few and they are great driving cars, although a bit short on power and grunt. The downside is that there is nothing much you can do to make them go faster, not much horsepower increase potential. Ernesto | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 277 Registered: 10-2001 |
Ernesto, just curious, how would you compare the Supra to an NSX? The Supra has a HP advantage but I wonder if the NSX handles better? | ||
| Mark Lambert (Mlambert890)
New member Username: Mlambert890 Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2002 |
I know Ernesto... Just a bit of humor  Cheers! | ||
| Ernesto Sgroi (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 296 Registered: 2-2001 |
Mark, calm down. Abosulutely no one here is saying that a Supra is better than a Ferrari. I own both, and I would never give up my Ferrari before my Supra. But, as far as performance goes and pure speed, you cant beat a Supra. I know that its a hard fact to face, but the Supra is so easy to make it go fast and lots of hp, that its not even funny. No other US Japanese car comes close, until they bring the Skyline GTR over. Yes my Supra is faster than almost anything on the road, but it does not even hold a candle to my Ferrari. Ernesto | ||
| Chris Richardson (Boozy)
Junior Member Username: Boozy Post Number: 123 Registered: 11-2001 |
True Mark. It is a Japanese invasion! It's like Pearl Harbor! We may have to drop the A bomb again! | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2125 Registered: 2-2001 |
lol Mark. | ||
| Mark Lambert (Mlambert890)
New member Username: Mlambert890 Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2002 |
Hello everyone. This is my first post to this fine forum, although I have enjoyed lurking here for quite some time now. I am an NSX owner myself, but I never tire of reading about all of these wonderful Ferraris. I felt compelled to post, however, to express my dismay that even HERE on the FERRARI forum I can no longer escape the word Supra. Every forum I visit is littered with endless Supra subversion. Viper, Vette, NSX, RX7, BMW, Porsche, Skyline... literally every forum falls victim to the Supra propaganda campaign. It is not too late for you Ferrari folks though. Take action now before it is too late! Delete these threads immediately and install an auto-delete filter for threads containing the word Supra! Trust me friends! It is only a matter of time before you see this: 0nLy @n iDi0t w0uLd bUy a Ferarrri wH3n eVry1 nows A SUPRA iS 100x fAsTeR! There's still time! You've been warned! | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
New member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 9 Registered: 3-2002 |
Greetings. I have a 2000 Hayabusa (last year before the bike was detuned)! The bike has 2000 miles with a full race titanium exhaust and fuel injection mods. Dry weight before the Ti exhaust was 475lbs. The MSO claims 171 HP. You can run power to weight #'s yourself. You cannot imagine what it is like to downshift this missile on the freeway when knowbody is around... Say 3AM. Its kinda like the Melenium Falcon in Star Wars ! Also: if there is no chopper - they have no chance!!! been there done that ! I have four kids and I am looking for a nice original Testarossa or Boxer. I am trying to decide which one to buy. I will find one soon ! Please kindly give me a few months. I am learning the market. aaah; if we could only bring the 512TR in from Europe. ITS SO CHEAP. There are no loopholes that I am aware of. The Gov is unfair! P.S. Don't drag race a nice car. Especially; if you want to keep it. Go out and purchase a Bike for that. You can always trailer the bike to the drag strip. Sincerely Ralph | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 344 Registered: 6-2001 |
Richard: The motorcycle lap record at Willow Springs is about 1m19seconds or thereabouts (I've never gotten around there on a bike quicker than 1:25, but I'm old and slow, and didn't have a works Superbike either). The bikes run the same track as the cars. I'm told that the CART times are about 1:08 or so, maybe faster. Sears Point motorcycle times are 1:31s or so. The bikes generally run the entire course, I think that the ALM series times are in the high teens or 1:20s. The cars are indeed quicker than the bikes, but in my humble opinion, no where near as much fun. It's the braking and cornering speed that makes the difference. In the 70s Sears Point used to allow motorcycles and cars on the track at the same time. I was racing a Honda 750 in a special chassis, and was one of the contenders for the Open Grand Prix at the time. I was up at Sears on an open practice day, I think a Wednesday, and there were various Formula cars on the track. I don't recall what type of car it was, but I was passed going into turn 10 (a 100mph right hander with a chain link fence on the right) by a formula car, who promptly spun, and I got to look him in the eye, while we both went toward turn 11 (a 40mph right hander), him locking up the brakes, and me praying that the HOnda would stop before I hit him. Needless to say, I never went back on the track when the cars were running, and Sears shortly thereafter stopped allowing the practice mix. | ||
| Richard Stephens (Dino2400)
New member Username: Dino2400 Post Number: 47 Registered: 10-2001 |
I remember seeing a few bike vs. car articles in british magazines a few years ago but they were usually something like two BMWs (not the best bike). Are there any tracks that both cars and bikes run on so we could compare lap times between various cars and bikes? How about any track day times? (is the willow springs track same for cars and bikes?) Art probably has some good info on this, no? | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 340 Registered: 6-2001 |
Guys: You think that because the bike is just a little faster than the Supra the race was lost due to a missed shift. The reality is that the quarter elapsed time for the bike isn't meaningful because the bike didn't have a wheely bar, so its launches weren't as good as the cars. I bet that bike would have run in the 8s if he had a wheely bar, and the mid range acceleration would be about what we saw on the video. Two seconds at 150 miles per hour would be about 500' at the end of the quarter, not even a close race. It's interesting that one of the bike magazines tested a Yamaha that ran low 10s without a wheelie bar, and then added the wheelie bar, and instantly ran low 9s. Art | ||
| John J Stecher (Jjstecher)
Junior Member Username: Jjstecher Post Number: 124 Registered: 1-2002 |
Also I forgot to mention buying 250 shares of yahoo at $1.23 and selling at $245 didnt hurt me much either (not bad for a highschool finace project!!)....thats where the money for the C5 or 348 TT upgrade is coming from. I'll talk to my neighbor tomorrow to find out where he went to school but I can only imagine it was U of Calgary. CS is a bunch of geeks but at least I get to work on performance stuff so it makes it fun. I just imagine I am tuning my Ferrari!! Hell you can make a crap load in finance so I think you'll be buying your Ferraris in no time as well!! | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 131 Registered: 7-2001 |
John, I started off in computer science, but the combination of a bear market, too many geeks in my classes and the fact that I don't like programming forced me to transfer into finace. If your neighbour is a Doctor, they probably went to the University of Calgary, which is where I go. There is a college here also, but it doesn't offer medicine. Nice a young guy who took advantage of the bull market a few years back. I had made a bunch of money on the stocks, but then watched it dwindle away on me. James | ||
| John J Stecher (Jjstecher)
Junior Member Username: Jjstecher Post Number: 123 Registered: 1-2002 |
Oh yeah I might change my order to a Z06 if I end up talking Walter Koenig into letting me import his 348 twin-turbo kit! I ordered a regular C5 with the Z06's handling package since if I get the TT upgrade the engine is completely ported, polished, and blue printed there is nothing to gain from having a Z06. However like I said I test drove one a few weeks back and it was awesome!!! | ||
| John J Stecher (Jjstecher)
Junior Member Username: Jjstecher Post Number: 122 Registered: 1-2002 |
James, I'm glad you didnt think I was trying to come across as a ••••....I'm just someone who loves cars like you, and hate to see some dub arses make us look bad. Where I am at you are right the majority of the kids own Civics, or other cars with HUGE wings, HUGER rims, and coffee can exhaust. These are the real dangerous ones and the ones that want to race all the time when I am out in the 348. However there are a few tards here in town that own 400+ hp Supras unfortuatly one of those guys is no longer with us cause he decided to be dumb and race another car down a 35mph neighborhood street about two weeks back and hit a deer at over 100mph, lost control of his car and hit a tree. They found the engine of the car 100 yards away from the tree he hit if that give you any idea how fast he was going. I drove by it on my way to work that morning and knew it wasnt good then read about it later in the paper. Its just lucky he didnt hit some one walking their dog or anything else like that. I know what you mean about the supra feeling like a boat on the track my old ZR-1 felt the same way, she made a ton of power but just placing it in turns was really hard. I love the 348 in twisties because of how little it is and how smooth it is in transitions. As far as your question goes about affording my cars I have to say that I have been lucky and worked hard. During college I ran a consulting business for smaller mom and pop shops to set them up with computers and software tailored to their business, what started off as a little after class money maker ended up in having me hire 6 full time programmers to complete orders. But then the market turned "BEAR" in 1999 and all the business dried up for smaller companies. I went back to studying full time my senior year. Interviewed with and got a job with IBM who pays me a decent salary for my age and now that I have a "real" job that I am not afraid of losing I have started to spend some of the money that I made with my own company. Other than that I dont have kids (big plus), am getting my MBA (plus cause I get good student discount on my insurance (0: ), drive a 1992 honda accord for my daily driver because I dont believe in having a BMW to drive 5 minutes to work everyday when I can have a Ferrari to play with on the weekends, and was a tightwad in college and saved my money. What are you studying to get your degree in? I have a couple that lives next to me that are from Calgary...I forget what college they went to out there. One is a Doctor at the Mayo Clinic here and the other works for Celestica.....their cool except they say "eh" all the time :0) j/k | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 130 Registered: 7-2001 |
John, I totally understand where you are coming from regarding the kids in the import car accidents. In Vancouver, B.C, there were 9 import car deaths in a 2 week span last month. Very sad to say the least. I don't know about the import car kids in your town, but none of them drive high performance imports in this city. Instead, they drive 140hp hondas with big wheels, bigger exhaust tips and a bunch of stickers on them. I feel these kids are more dangerous than the younger guys driving high powered imports like the supra, 300zx, rx7, and even young guys like you in the 348. I say this, because it seems like the kids in the 140hp hondas drive like maniacs, with something to proove, whereas guys like us (I say us because we are both young with high powered cars) appreciate the power and respect it. I understand what you are saying about the drag car logic. I am not a big fan of drag racing at all, but I still respect a fast car when I see one. Lets face it, this supra is not your typical drag car with big slicks, no interior and trailered to various drag events. It's a stock looking, street driven, daily driver that can run with high powered sport bikes. I never thought about the emissions on the car, as I live in Canada and don't have to worry about silly stuff like that In regards to Supras on the racetrack....well they are a little bit on the heavy side. WHen I take my car on the track, and then go for a ride in my friends 930, NSX or Rx-7 twinner, it feels like I am in a big boat. However, they can be made to run with the best on the tracks. YOu just need to do some major interior removal which I am not in a position to do yet. My question to you John, is how the hell can a 23 year old "kid" afford a 348 and order a new c5 vette (is it a z06??). Are software engineers still making the big bucks??? | ||
| John J Stecher (Jjstecher)
Junior Member Username: Jjstecher Post Number: 120 Registered: 1-2002 |
easy James I didnt mean to ruffle your feathers with my statement. To clarify what I said... 1) I never said this guy was a kid on the streets with his car, I stated that cars like this are dangerous on the street with kids behind the wheel, I capitalized KIDS so that it was understood that I wasnt generalizing all import tuners. If you can prove to me that the majority of high powered imports are driven by adults with track time, or who know how to handle the power the car lays down...do it. My guess is you cant! If you look at the amount of modified import fatalities last year reported by the Illinois DMV it is triple the amount of fatalities of other vehicles in the sports car class (Vettes, Vipers, Ferraris, etc). This is proven information, that my guess holds true for the rest of the country....what is the average age of the people killed in these modified import crashes....you guess it 21! Like I stated above there is nothing wrong with owning a kick ass car hell I have owned lots of cars that will run with this Supra....I just placed my order for a new C5 Vette that I am shipping of to Lingenfelter for the twin-turbo 427ci 725hp engine kit as soon as I get it this fall. Difference is I would never use all that power on the streets and put other peoples lives in danger. Bottom line what I am saying is if you have that kind of power use it wisely and if you want to f-ing kill yourself fine just dont take some innocent person with you because you want to prove what size balls you have by driving a car beyond your limits. 2.) My qoute "Hell give me 20K and I can build you car that will run circles around this thing on the drag strip." Came from the fact that the only performance metrics you are quoting on either the hyabusa or the Supra are quarter mile times. Therefore since all of your logic behind the Supra being faster than the bikes in your comment to Art was quarter mile time I assumed that was all you cared about, thus I commented on a car that I could build that runs the quarter miles quicker than the Supra. My question to you is what is the definition of �Street Legal�? This car at least the one on the webpage you supplied would have a hard time passing California emissions testing with a 850cc fuel injectors, HKS 272 cams, and other added goodies. My 20K dragster would be every bit as street legal when it comes to emissions and the like. 3.) If you are talking about all around performance instead of just straight line speed, putting the car and bike on a track like Lime Rock, etc., the Bikes would kick the hell out of this Supra. Even like I said in this video at the time the race begin the supra takes off when the bike is shifting. The bike falls behind then gains on the supra and pulls slightly ahead of it within a few seconds. To me this shows the bike has a much greater velocity than the Supra being that it travels the length of the car in about 3-4 seconds before the supra driver misses his shift. To me the Bike is much faster in both cases. Bottom line: The supra is a awesome car I wish I had it to have fun with, I just wouldn�t spend my money on it, and at least these guys are safe and have open road ahead of them. This unfortunately isn�t where I see most street racing taking place. I don�t like it and think the Kids doing it aren�t safe, and hell this is coming from someone who is still a kid�.I�m 23. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 129 Registered: 7-2001 |
John, A stock hyabusa does the 1/4 mile in 9.6 @ 145mph. I would hardly call it walking away from a car that does it in 9.8 @ 153. Even if the bike did downshift, he would not have accelerated that quickly from the car. As far as the guy being a kid, you are wrong. He is an adult, with many exotic and fast cars, including a Hennessy viper, RUF CTR, Skyline GTR, 550 Maranello, Z06 and some other project cars. "Hell give me 20K and I can build you car that will run circles around this thing on the drag strip." If you spend 20k on a car and it runs circles on a drag strip, you are in trouble. However, the Supra in the video is a street car, with full coil over suspension and will run circles around a 20k dollar drag car on the road course, as well as many other sports cars. James | ||
| John J Stecher (Jjstecher)
Junior Member Username: Jjstecher Post Number: 119 Registered: 1-2002 |
Also if you watch the video you can see the bike is begining to walk away from him before he misses the shift. | ||
| John J Stecher (Jjstecher)
Junior Member Username: Jjstecher Post Number: 118 Registered: 1-2002 |
Yep bret I totally agree those bikes (ZX-12R Hyabusa) are damn fast....nuts to hang on to if you are really get on it at low speeds. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2099 Registered: 2-2001 |
We're talking 0-60 in like 2.5 seconds, almost insane. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2098 Registered: 2-2001 |
Some of those bikes are pretty fast Jason. A Kawasaki (I used to race Kawasaki dirtbikes so I still follow them a bit) ZX-12R will run faster than that in the 1/4 mile out of the box. A hayabusa is even faster than a ZX-12R. | ||
| John J Stecher (Jjstecher)
Junior Member Username: Jjstecher Post Number: 117 Registered: 1-2002 |
The bike dusted him I dont care if he misses a shift or not the bike will walk away from him any day! As far as running a 9.8 thats not to hard either when you are running a 70 shot of nitrous. Hell give me 20K and I can build you car that will run circles around this thing on the drag strip. I dont know where all the import tuners have came from all of a sudden but even where I live every other Honda Civic has a 8-foot wing on the back of it. To me these cars are to damn dangerous on the street with KIDS behind the wheel. I do ever now and then bend the laws and take the ol 348 up to 130+ but these kids do it on crowded streets and most times could never stop if something went wrong. I'm not ragging on people out there who love their cars and take the time to work on them, hell I have done it since I was a kid.....just scares me a little having some 17-18 year old with 600hp at his foot. Bottom line I do my driving on the street and racing on the track, and thats the way I think it should be street racing is too damn dangerous....ever hit a rabbit at 100mph....I have and would hate to have seen it be a deer or worse yet a person. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 128 Registered: 7-2001 |
C'mon Art, That car ran 9.8 @ 153mph at the track. go to his website. www.turboimports.com and see for yourself. If I could upload it somewhere, I have a video of him waxing an F40 on the street. IT is a great video, during the daylight and you can really hear the F40 spooling up and the motor screaming. James | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 339 Registered: 6-2001 |
James: I beg to differ. The bike downshifted and drove away from the supra. It was never really a race, only the supra driver thought so. Art | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 127 Registered: 7-2001 |
This guys supra is crazy. He races two modded bikes (Hyabusa, fastest bike in the world) and gains on one of them. Then he misses a shift and the bike takes off. Here is his website www.turboimports.com HIs car ran 9.8 at 153mph in the quarter mile http://ryan.uneb.edu/videos/new/Walser-vs-moddedbusa.mpeg And a lightly modded supra vs a new 996 twinner porsche. http://www.lilviv.com/supra/video/vivnos_porsche.mpeg |