| Author | Message | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 612 Registered: 8-2002 |
Bill is correct regarding the front-end lift at high speeds. Along with the change in the shape of the nose, the rear window was enlarged and the boot hinges were moved to the outside, providing more room for luggage. At almost the same time, a larger diameter drive shaft was introduced in an attempt to cut down on vibration and, soon after, the addition of a rigid torque tube, through which the drive shaft ran, finally put an end to the problem. Most people, however, associate the long-nose cars with having the torque tube when, actually, this is not always the case. By the way, though it is considered less desireable by most, I personally prefer the more aggressive styling of the short-nose model. | ||
| Bill Gammon (Bill_gammon)
New member Username: Bill_gammon Post Number: 32 Registered: 9-2002 |
Ross, Others can give the full definitive reasons, but my research is that there were aerodynamic problems with front end lift on the short nose cars. The subtle reshaping and lengthening (approx 3 inches) of the nose brought a more elegant contour (subjective) and better aerodynamics. | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Member Username: Ross Post Number: 602 Registered: 3-2002 |
i love the 275 gtb's in all iterations and have tried to read all i could on them. but i have never been given a decent explanation of why there were the different hood configurations (long/short), is it simply because of the carb set up (6/3)? or were there other reasons? | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 307 Registered: 10-2002 |
JRV When the hood split I backed off a little too quickly. Greatest demonstration of off throttle oversteer I ever received. Best Jim | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 560 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>Minor rub marks? The hood on my alloy 275GTB 2 cam long nose 6 carb split in half one day.<< James, that really sucks ...hate it when Ferrari Bodywork gets messed up like that. Next time feel free to call me and I'll give your mechanics the 'hot tips' ;-) on avoiding screwing up a customers hood. You musta really been haulin. Regards, JRV | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 304 Registered: 10-2002 |
JRV Minor rub marks? The hood on my alloy 275GTB 2 cam long nose 6 carb split in half one day. Great high speed touring cars. When I was young and stupid I drove mine from Boston to New York in under 2 hours. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 555 Registered: 11-2002 |
Drew, The air cleaner on. Lowering the engine isn't theory.  | ||
| Drew Kelley (Drew)
New member Username: Drew Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2003 |
Maybe it works on this car because it doesn't have an air cleaner assy. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 549 Registered: 11-2002 |
Wayne, can't speak for the factory, but one could also ask why they didn't lower all the engines in the chassis' to handle better like the Comp 250SWB's or the 250GTO's ? The area that touches is just the very front of the air cleaner top. By lowering the engine slightly the problem of touching is eliminated to a large degree, although I've seen faint rub marks on hood undersides.. Regards, JRV ps: Great 275 pics everyone...keep them coming... | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 603 Registered: 8-2002 |
Thanks, JR. I wonder why that wasn't done at the factory for 6-carb cars. It seems like it would be a simpler fix than designing and making a different hood plus it looks cleaner. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 546 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>Third pic: Most definitely a 6-carb setup. How did they fit those under the standard hood? They shouldn't clear at the lower-sloping front forward section of the hood (from what I understand as I have never actually tried it).<< The way it's done is by reducing the thickness of the motor mount spacers (approx. 10mm's).  | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 545 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>Oh, and this car apparently has the 6 carbs. I don't understand with the hood, as you said. << The 3carb hoods will work with some precise adjusting. As in 08045.  | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Junior Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 172 Registered: 9-2001 |
Wayne, In the introduction of the book Prunet states that the owner of the two 275 Pascal Motte was very surprised by the location (=coalhill)the photographer chose for his cars. Since the only pictures of two 275s in uncommom enviroment are the one you showed us I concluded that they belong to Motte at least by the time the book was published. By the way: The book is still available here in Germany. The first Ferrari book I bought myself back some days ago.... Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 599 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jens, you are correct. The top photo was taken from Prunet's book which is now long out of print. I'm assuming the cars were photographed somewhere in Europe but I have never really thought about which s/n's they are. Where did you read that they belonged to Motte? Joel, which Kirk White car are you referring to? There is a 275 GTB/4 that was originally owned by Kirk that is making the rounds (the 1967 NY Auto Show car), but it is actually pale gold in color. I'm at work right now and can't recall the s/n. | ||
| Douglas A Hunt (Boxercrazy)
New member Username: Boxercrazy Post Number: 22 Registered: 11-2002 |
man oh man what a great picture that is of those two 275's......actually they are all just spectactular...reinforces my desire to own an f-car sssooooo much!!!!!!fantastic pictures,fantastic cars...that yellow car,oh man i am just speechless!!!! douglas hunt | ||
| Paul Wehmer (Pwehmer)
New member Username: Pwehmer Post Number: 50 Registered: 10-2002 |
Isn't this the 275 that was for sale at Ferrari of Atlanta in the past couple monthes? I no longer see it for sale. | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Junior Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 169 Registered: 9-2001 |
And I thought those are the two 275 from Pascal Motte? After all the Prunet book is quite old so the cars might have changed their owner once again... Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3589 Registered: 5-2001 |
Busted, I just tried to make a smart ass remark. Was sure you would catch it Wayne  I name my pictures the same way. Vin and angle. | ||
| Joel Belser (Driver)
New member Username: Driver Post Number: 30 Registered: 9-2002 |
Wayne, the yellow one looks like Kirk White's car. Is it? | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Junior Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 168 Registered: 9-2001 |
Wayne, You got that last picture with the long and short nose 275 before a coal hill from the Prunet book, right? Fabulous pictures though, really cool. I love the 275 almost as much as the 250LM Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 596 Registered: 8-2002 |
Yellow=Short, Black=Long:  Short:  Long:  | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 595 Registered: 8-2002 |
Give me a minute and I'll post some. By the way, Hil Raab's book does state that the order for the car was originally sent along with a list of requested special features. It doesn't state what those features were, however. Let me work on getting those images posted for you... | ||
| Bill Gammon (Bill_gammon)
New member Username: Bill_gammon Post Number: 31 Registered: 9-2002 |
Wayne, thanks. The long nose, short nose thing confuses me. I swear my searches have shown me at least 4 different versions of the nose of a 275. I would love to see two shots from the same angle which show the "definitive" short and long nose cars. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 594 Registered: 8-2002 |
Bill, not on long nose models. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 592 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ken, I'm not sure about how it left the factory. Sheehan states the car has many "special features, some seen only on this car." Weird things like chrome extractor vents and sail panel vents. Possible that it is a factory oddball, but he doesn't say anything about the originality of those "special features." Hil Raab's S/N book was my source that the car was originally a short nose but it doesn't say anything about alloy coachwork (however, 7995 IS listed as having an alloy body). | ||
| Bill Gammon (Bill_gammon)
New member Username: Bill_gammon Post Number: 30 Registered: 9-2002 |
I should have looked closely at the VIN pics. Sheehan's page clearly says "7995". Guess it is just a typo. In any event, is the grill opening correct for a longnose. Shouldn't there be a band of metal lining the opening? I am confused. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 629 Registered: 10-2001 |
So the deal with this car is it's not exactly the car that left the factory? I wonder if the buyer knew that. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 591 Registered: 8-2002 |
Okay, I was too slow at converting the image to JPEG! Thanks Matt. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 590 Registered: 8-2002 |
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| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1348 Registered: 8-2002 |
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| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 589 Registered: 8-2002 |
Oops, you posted while I was typing. Let me check out the link to Sheehan's site (It, too, seems to be named "7993!")... | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 588 Registered: 8-2002 |
First pic: exposed boot hinges = long nose, but could have been changed along with the front end. Second pic: Ah Ha! This is a short nose dash and instrument cluster! The car here was originally a short nose model. Third pic: Most definitely a 6-carb setup. How did they fit those under the standard hood? They shouldn't clear at the lower-sloping front forward section of the hood (from what I understand as I have never actually tried it). Regardless, it was originally a short nose and has six carbs, I'd say it's likely that "7993" in the image name could very well be the chassis number. | ||
| Bill Gammon (Bill_gammon)
New member Username: Bill_gammon Post Number: 29 Registered: 9-2002 |
Did a search and found it. I found more photos (and the same ones) on Sheehan's site. He lists the VIN 7995 though. Strange. Anyway, this page isn't where I saw the original 4 photos. http://www.ferraris-online.com/cars/07993/07993a.html | ||
| Bill Gammon (Bill_gammon)
New member Username: Bill_gammon Post Number: 28 Registered: 9-2002 |
Wayne, I didn't change the names on the images. It seems odd someone would take the care to use that number in the image name, but it be incorrect. Regardless, I can't find the exact site where I snagged the photos. I was on my laptop at the time and then emailed them to my home computer. If I figure it out, I will let you know. My questions do center around the grill area and the hood. That doesn't appear to have the raised center section hood and the grill area is different from the car I have for sale. It is very hard to find good photos of grill openings in the short vs. long nose versions. Oh, and this car apparently has the 6 carbs. I don't understand with the hood, as you said. Here are the three other photos I absconded with. Maybe these will give a bit of a clue. http://www.billgammon.com/images/7993Wht275BaLtQLr14 http://www.billgammon.com/images/7993Wht275DashLr14 http://www.billgammon.com/images/7993Wht275Eng1Lr8 | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 587 Registered: 8-2002 |
Martin, at first I was perplexed by your guess of s/n 7993. I was thinking, "Where on earth did he come up with that?" Then I saw the title of Bill's link "7993Wht275FrontLr8." I don't know what the "7993" or the "Lr8" mean but this is most likely not 7993 as that car is a 6-carb short nose car (originally red) and this car is a 3-carb long nose model. Of course the color could very well have been changed (usually from something else to red and not the other way around) and many cars have been updated to long nose body work. The killer though is the original 6-carb setup. Not likely that the car would now be a 3-carb model or that it would now sport the 3-carb hood, as it wouldn't clear the 6-carb setup. Bill, what you have here is, like I said, a 3-carb long nose 275GTB with little else to identify the car by. There is very little background in the photo as well. It might help if you mentioned where on the net you found the image. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3582 Registered: 5-2001 |
I think that is sn 7993 right? | ||
| Bill Gammon (Bill_gammon)
New member Username: Bill_gammon Post Number: 27 Registered: 9-2002 |
Gents, I found the attached (or linked) pic while doing some research on the 'net. I have a couple of questions about the car and wondered if any of you are familiar or knew the origin of the picture. There were a few more, but this was the only one I grabbed. Well, it will have to be linked. http://www.billgammon.com/images/7993Wht275FrontLr8 Oh, and there was a pre-christmas thread about Ferrari of Beverly Hills being boarded up and empty. I was there on Dec. 27 and it was definitely empty. The Schumacher-era F1 car in Symbolic's showroom made it all worthwhile though. Thanks Bill Gammon www.billgammon.com |