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| Erik Lombard (Elombard)
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I spoke with Bill Pound today about the oil starve solution he mentioned in the tech article. He doesnt really sell them any more. He said that similar to the Accusump problem the 308 moves so much oil that the extra sump reserve with the modification only gives a split second of security. I forgot to ask why the reserve is important if the oil is leaving that fast why doent it come back that fast? The starve problem only happens in long right hand corners so the only thing I can figure is that the oil gets hung up some where on its way back down to the sump in these long high G corners? Any thoughts? | ||
| Erik Lombard (Elombard)
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I was over at Rutlands in Atlanta and he showed me sump bottom plates from a 328 and a 308. It seems to me that a 1 inch spacer between the sump bottom plate and the block with the correspondingly lengthened oil pick up tube should do the trick. In fact the 328 sump is about 1/2 inch deeper possibly to help with this problem. The 1 inch spacer would in effect create a "box" for the oil to rest in, the sides of which would prevent the oil from being able to slosh away from the pickup as completly. I will call Pound and see if I am interpreting this correctly. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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There was a dedicated race series in England that ran Dry-Sump 308's back in the mid/late eighties. I think it was called the "Pirelli Maranello Challenge" (Maranello denoting Maranello Consessionaries, the main dealer/distributor in England that co-sponsored the series). | ||
| Bill Sebestyen (Bill308)
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Erik, Please let us know the results of your investigation of the 1-inch spacer. Bill Pound really didn't say how much benefit was derived from its installation, in his 308 Lubrication Tech Tip. Bill | ||
| Erik Lombard (Elombard)
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Thanks Steve that is exactly what I was looking for. I will call Mr. Pound it sounds like the 1 inch spacer would do the trick for an occasional track car. I would love to add the full dry sump conversion but I really need AC in Atlanta. Hey if anybody hears about a 308 GTB in the $15K range as is mentioned by one of the purchasers below I would love to know about it. One last thing, I am 6'4" and fit in a GTB fine except the seat feels like when you sit in one of those little chairs at your kids grade school when you are there for teacher/parent days. Does anybody make a bolt in adapter for an aftermarket seat that sets it low and way back. adjustment is not important (my wife is 6'). Thanks again. | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
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Erik -- have you already seen Bill Pound's (excellent) articles on the subject? If not, try: http://www.fca-sw.org/Features.asp?id=2 308 Lubrication Dry Sumping 308s/328s | ||
| Erik Lombard (Elombard)
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Hi All Great site. I have seen several postings in this string for 80-82 GTB/Si and QV euros. Do these euro cars have the drysump like the euro Carb 308s. I hope to be in the market for a 308 soon and I would like a drysump since I intend on doing a coilover (bolt on) conversion and running race tires at track days. Has there been any strings talking about the oil starvation problem on US 308s that I could review? Thanks | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
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Hello! 1)Model: 84 308 GTS QV 2) It had 42K on it when I bought it. Drove it 1000 miles home, and now it has 45,500. 3) Excellent paint, has small tear on passenger seat, missing right rear inner fender, small kink in the front bonnet, needs new interior GTS top latch. Needs 45K service now. 4) Paid $30,000 for the car. Worth every damn penny. 5) The car absolutely runs perfectly now, I completely rebuilt the entire cooling system. I put a K&N filter on it, and a test pipe from Nick Scianna. It is one of the fastest 308s I have ever driven. I was on my way to buy a red 87 Porsche 930, and came to my senses. Never regretted it ever. Its my therapy. I am in love with my Ferrari. My girlfriend supports my love and passion for a inanimate object.  I plan on adding a 365 Boxer or a series 1 TR to the stables next year. I am also actively looking for another Maserati (would be my 5th Maserati!) Mitchel | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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Martin, Wow, did u buy it for $78k ? would b a crime not to. I could have haggeld down to $105 or so but 50% off was good enuf for me. Besides I already have 2 | ||
| Michael A. Niles (Man90tr)
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What a difference 2 years make. The only problem I see with this is the cars might be worse mechanically in the future. Its easy to get into a Ferrari -- taking good care of one that's not cheap or easy. As these powerful ones get cheaper I am afraid the owners (those on this site excepted) will follow suit and will drive the cars cheaply into the ground. The key, buy a great car cheap very early in the game and keep it. If you wait too long you will probably spend the price of the car getting it up to standard. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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William, hate to do that to you, but I was just offered a 1993 512TR for $ 78,000 (29K) | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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On the other hand I picked up my 93 512TR in 2000 for $110k from Shelton, a nice 50% off original price. U win some, U lose some | ||
| Michael A. Niles (Man90tr)
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No thanks, but I'll buy you dinner in Florida! At least you love your cars and can keep a sense of humor about things. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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u guys suck!!!! I bought my 308qv in 1990 for $72k. Anybody want to buy it for $75K ? LOL | ||
| J Dirk Carnahan (Dirk989)
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1. 1979 308GTS 2. 70,000 miles 3. Good. Paint is near perfect. Interior is worn, but very clean. Runs good. 4. Only minor defects such as a hose missing from side intake to airbox, sounds like a bearing going out in elctric motor that runs on start-up. Salvage title. (That doesn't bother me.) 5. $20,000. Maybe I paid a little too much, but I love the car. I have driven the hell out of it. It just keeps running better and better. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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I bought a 1994 348 Spider in December 2000 from Ferrari of New England sight unseen. It was shipped to me in mid-Jan 2001, delayed by snow in the NE. It is silver with black interior,top and boot. It had 10,600 miles and the 15,000 mile service was done at Shelton in June 2000. It had a FNA warranty good through July 2001 though I never had to use it. In August 2001, at 13,000 miles I carried it to Ferrari of Atlanta for an oil and transaxle service. FOA found a leaking cam seal on the left side that I'm wondering if I should change the seal now or wait until the next major service in three years or so. The car is in concours condition and I plan to drive it from Atlanta to the USGP at Indy next month. I love it so far. I have previously owned a 1986 328 GTS, a 1986 TR, a 1977 400 GT and a 1967 330 GTC. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
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You'll have no trouble talking me into meeting other Ferrari fans. Any excuse to drive the car! But we HAVE to wait until it cools off, the air conditioning on my 328 SUCKS! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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I had my 30k at Norwoods. It cost me $2800 a year ago, but I didn't have any other problems with it. I'm not sure if their prices have gone up that much in a year or not. I'm glad you got your car, we need another meeting of DFW Ferrari people. I know we'll have one for the USA Grand Prix. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
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Oops! The asking price included the service. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
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Ok, I'll play. Mine is a 328 also. 1. '87 328 GTS White/Tan 2. 38,177 3. Overall condition was very good. I paid to have it inspected by the place that I bought it, (long story) and they didn't find all the problems. 4. It needed the 30k service. The asking price w/ the service was $5500 more than I paid. I figured I could get the service done cheaper than that. 5. $37,500 + $300 inspection, $90 oil change 6. I bought from a dealer that was acting as middleman for a guy out of southern CA. I planned to drive it home (1300 miles), and made it as far as Denver when the water pump blew. FOD has it now, and they of course have found other problems. A crack in the oil pan, leaking hoses, etc. I'll spend probably $2k before I get it back and it still needs the 30k! Hey Rob, did someoone in Dallas do your 30k? Norwood quoted me $3800, and Ferrari of Dallas quoted "$5000 to $6000". | ||
| Andrew Chapman (Xx7xx)
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1. 1984 Ferrari 308 QV, Euro Model 2. 39,000 miles when bought (july 4th, 01) 3. Exterior was perfect. A tree fell on the rear deck, and the car was repaired and the entire car repainted by the dealer. 4. Interior needed dash & seat leather repaired, horn fixed,and turn signal fixed 5. $26,000 6. Before i went to look at the car, the seller told me it was $22,500. After I got there, the price had went up because the car was on e-bay and the bidding went up fast near the end of the auction. I ended up paying $26k. The 40,000 mile service was done before i purchased the car. | ||
| Andrew Chapman (Xx7xx)
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1. 1984 Ferrari 308 QV, Euro Model 2. 39,000 miles when bought (july 4th, 01) 3. Exterior was perfect. A tree fell on the rear deck, and the car was repaired and the entire car repainted by the dealer. 4. Interior needed dash & seat leather repaired, horn fixed,and turn signal fixed 5. $26,000 6. Before i went to look at the car, the seller told me it was $22,500. After I got there, the price had went up because the car was on e-bay and the bidding went up fast near the end of the auction. I ended up paying $26k. The 40,000 mile service was done before i purchased the car. | ||
| Sandra Cairncross (Sandrac)
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1. '84 308QV 2. 30,700 3. Actually really nice, perfect mechanically, but had gold plated emblems, shift gate, ashtray. Nonoriginal wheels, and really ugly painted striping on sides. No bad dents or dings, interior excellant, just a little dirty. 4. Was due for the 30K service when I purchased it 5. $25K 6. Can't beat gettin a QV for under $30K with mileage that low and condition that good! My initial budget for a GTSQV was $35K. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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1) 1975 308 GT4 2) 44000+ mi 3) Nice and clean body and interior, oily, grimey engine. 4) Oh boy, could I go on with that one. At the time, the car ran fine, but had niggling problems along the way. "No problem, I'll rebuild the motor this winter and then really enjoy it...". 5) Dealer listed it at $29900 Cdn, but I made an offer of $24000 Cdn. He accepted. Consignment sale. 6) I made the offer because it was what I could afford. Seeing that the car had alot of deferred service with the previous owner, he never drove it and even the salesman said it "...needs a good tune-up...", it was a fair price paid (equivalent to around $17000 US). I have yet to add up all of my bills for this rebuild... L | ||
| Peter Boray (Gts308qv)
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I was actually looking for a good 308GT4 as they are cheaper and a tighter car for club track days plus are 2+2. Made the mistake of taking my wife to see a GTSi just for fun. After seeing the GTSi, she was no longer keen on the GT4 idea. "Do you see a rear seat for the kids" I remarked. Her retort: " No problem, we can leave the kids with the grandparents ". So after 6 months of GTS searching: 1. 1985 GTS QV bought in March this year. 2. 25 K. miles (40 K. Kilometres) 3. immaculate, original paint,leather very good, all records/tools/accessories, over serviced and pampered, never driven in rain (found that one hard to beleive, but the wipers are in a leather pouch in the trunk !..) 4. Needed some hoses due to lack of use. Non original Ansa exhaust (loud). Metric wheels and tyres, although plenty of tread, gone hard over the years. 5. US $ 31.000 (asking price was 35.000) 6. Nice clean unmolested Ferrari. I live in Australia and they are not as common here as in the USA. The car is mechanically a EURO spec QV.(no cats, as we only got unleaded gas in 1986) Has a lot of US spec features as well. I will post some pictures and list all the odd things about an Australian delivered Ferrari. Regards from "Down Under" - Peter. | ||
| Erik Jonsson (Gamester)
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I decided to take on a real challenge- 82 308 GTSi Euro 46000 mi Fire damaged rear half- front clean and straight. Re do interior and rear half of car/ engine/ belts/hoses/wiring/paint/shocks/springs/bushings/ seals/ 2 rear windows. 15000- ebay Stupidity. Thought I had it for 12800 but was bid up to 15000 during the last 2 minutes of the auction(unknowingly) Car is nearly back together and looking great again. | ||
| Randy Ines (Raines)
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1. Model: '81 308 GTSi 2. 90K Miles, bought just last month (7/28/01). 3. Condition when bought: I believe it was repainted by a dealer (not the previous owner) in 2000. New paint really sold the car (no dings), but a few rust & paint bubbles in a few spots (noticeable at close range). 4. Needs all new interior- Seats bad condition, carpets coming apart, no speedo, no spare, no A/C, no records (ouch!), no manuals or tools (what else is new), 1/8" gap between windows and targa top weather stripping (water leaks in). Had estimates around town for around $5K to do the interior (mostly from GAHH). Will pick up the rest (manual, tools, etc. as I go). 5. Paid: $21,500 from private owner in Mass. 6. add any comments that were a factor for you to pay what you paid: Almost bought an SLK...but went with my heart!! Glad I did! | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Kelly, I also found a 79 308 GTS that sat in a dehumidified garage with four other collector cars. Only 5200 miles with the orig temp tag on it. Every service possible was done on the car before starting it. I documented it through DMV. and have affadavits from the Heart Surgeon who owned it. I now have 7000 miles on it. Very pleased in that I wanted a Carbed GTS as a collectible. | ||
| kelly vince (Tofosi1)
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1980 308 GTSI 16,000 2/01 Just painted in 12/00 Enterior excellent no problems with the leather Car had not had anything done to it since 1993 when it had a 30K service. Only 2,000 miles put on it since 1993. It was sitting in a garage covered and next to a dehumitifier. $28,500.00 Since then I have done everything myself including the 30K, doing the hoses now It's won 4 local cars shows. My 8 years old son is in Heaven, he has an enlarged picture of the car on his wall, 1 trophy and 3 plaques. | ||
| Robert Davis (H2oquick)
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I think I really got a great deal..about a month ago, I bought a 82 308 gtbi euro model with 62k. It is silver with solid black interior. The car was well maintained and serviced, runs very well. Has the usual slow windows and a faulty temp guage with some wear in the seats and a few dings on the outside. I bought it from a guy in south Florida for 7000.00 under his asking price and paid a whopping 15k for the car. So far I am very happy with my investment. | ||
| stu cordova (Balataboy)
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1) 1985 308 QV Euro 2) 24+K - however when I brought it home the speedo would work/quit/work (how long it was doing that who knows?). Speedo now fixed and shows 25k but reality is they're not actual. 3/4) I paid for a car that was supposed to be in excellent cosmetic condition and very good mechanical condition (bought it sight un-seen). It was more like nice to fair cosmetic condition. Because I'm so damn anal and such a perfectionist - I re-did the entire enterior and did some paint work as well. I knew it was going to need a major service when I bought it but I never expected to pay over $6k! Again, being so anal - I did everything necessary and a lot not really necessary, but I wanted it as perfect as possible. 5) $33K which was probably about $3k too much. 6) I really wanted a Euro version and I really wanted a color other than red, and since this one was just what I was looking for, I was pretty much a "lay-down" for the seller. I'd like to think it's worth close to $40k now but I don't know how realistic that is. Oh well, guess I'll just have to keep driving her! | ||
| Don Norton (Litig8r)
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Hi, I just bought a car about two months ago: 1. It's a 1978 Carb 308 GTS 2. 53k miles 3. It was in excellent condition. Paint is perfect. Top is perfect. Interior is perfect except for some considerable seat wear in places. Wheels are a little tired looking, but getting a new 15" set soon (right Stewart? ). 4. I had the Seller fix the windows (needed a new switch) turn signals (new switch) and brake lights (!) (new switch). Also had the oil changed, new plugs and a full top to bottom inspection. 5-6. I paid $26.5k. I thought it was a great car for the money, but it didn't have a complete service history or any manuals, tools, etc. I was able to verify that the car had timing belts done about a year and a half ago. A/C doesn't blow cold, but that's about the only real mechanical flaw. | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
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Mine is a 328 also. 1) 1986 328 GTS Euro - Red/tan 2) 40k on 11/00. 3) Very Good, had 30k service done at 38K. 4) Had the usual front bonnet shock problem but only a very slight kink. 5) $40k 6) I have all receipts, importation papers. Owner paid for complete detail, new plug wires and new electric antenna before delivery. Previous service records had all common problems fixed - waterpump, alternator, etc. | ||
| Herbert Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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| Herbert Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Ok, I'll help get the honest train rolling, although mine is a 328. 1) 1986 328 GTS 2) 45k on 9/00. 3) Good to Very Good, needed 30k service. 4) 2 door dings (fixed $120) and usual front bonet shock problem. 5) $40k 6) Orginally asking $48k, took off $4k for 30k service (which only cost me about $2.8k). Took off a little because out of state and I didn't have a pro check it over. Non complete maint. records. Book stamped, but only receipts for past 2 years. I got lucky with this one, car checked out after buy to be in really good condition. I wouldn't sell it for less than $45k today. Car in top mechanical condition and I've pieced together most of it's history. | ||
| C. Mitchell (Fastguy)
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I echo the below. I am at the crossroads with my 308. It is a 1980 308GTSi. It has been sitting in my garage for three years because I took a job in another state. Now that I am coming back...what do I do? Spend the money to fix her up or get a new one? I love this car because it was my first Ferrari. But with the bubbles in the bottom of the door, the engine needing a tune (possibly a rebuild) do I spend what I think will be 10K to 20K to fix her or do I get a new one? I used this car as a daily driver for four years and it has about 45K miles but it is still solid. I will start a seperate thread on this delima myself....but for now on with the 308 prices! | ||
| Mark C. Gordon (Markg)
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1. 1982 308GTSi 2. 36K miles 3. physical condition near showroom; $8000 worth of mechanical receipts 4. turned out it needed the belts re-done (oil leak soaked one, upon inspection the plastic timing gears were broken and epoxied together, timing off by 1 tooth and valves out of adjustment); needed clutch and flywheel (undisclosed by seller)I have now put another $8000+ into it in last few weeks 5. paid $26k - I was told by middle-man dealer that owner just bought restored Jag and just wanted out of the 308 for a price that was fair but would guarentee and quick sale I bought car for about $5-8k below what market was bearing at the time, I am now into the car for about the fair market value, and I know that I now have a car that should go at least another 30k miles befor any major works needs to be done. The previous owner put less than 1500 mile on it in the 18 months since he did the major services, I believe this caused seals to dry out causing the oil leak that resulted in finding all the defects, which in the long run may have saved me having to do a new engine. I believe thses cars need to be driven!! | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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In my topic 355 prices we have discussions about what the true price should be and by what we can not judge prices. I believe the true price of a car can only be seen when you compare what people actually paid for their cars. So lets see here what the true price is for a 308 1. Model: Carb, 308i or 308QV 2. Miles when bought 3. Condition when bought 4. any defects, mechanical that needed repair and have brought the price down. 5. How much did you pay? 6. add any comments that were a factor for you to pay what you paid. I will be out of town for a week but can not wait to see your responses! |