| Author | Message | ||
| J.D. Smythe (Jeff)
Junior Member Username: Jeff Post Number: 146 Registered: 2-2001 |
I heard that FNA and/or Italy made a list of potential owners. Then the dealers submitted their list of names. If a name showed up on both lists then that customer would/could be selected to receive an Enzo. Ferrari had the final say so. The allocation scenerio is a little strange. For example a dealer might get 3 Enzos but not have any customers approved. The dealer would then deliver the car to a customer from another area. For example, a customer in Denver might have to go to Atlanta to receive his Enzo. | ||
| David Prall (Davidpra)
Junior Member Username: Davidpra Post Number: 141 Registered: 2-2001 |
Yes --- use your Ferrari as you see fit. I use my 308 as an ashtray. | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 487 Registered: 8-2001 |
From what the GM of the dealership told me, he submitted a recommended list and then Ferrari NA or Italy decided. This customer was on the dealer recommended list, but was turned down higher up. | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 539 Registered: 12-2001 |
Matt, rather than listening to us non-Enzo owners guess, try asking Eduardo Menasce(Emenasce). His profile lists an Enzo among his collection. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member Username: Doody Post Number: 786 Registered: 11-2001 |
correct, nobody knows for sure :-) my understanding is that the local dealers were asked for information, but they made no decisions. the allocations were done in italy by top management. from what i could discern though, FNA is allocating the cars out to dealers equitably though - so if FoA usually gets 6% of the US allocation of production, they'll get 6% of the Enzos coming into the US - even if nobody in Atlanta is getting an Enzo. rational from a business perspective, but amusing. doody | ||
| Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
Junior Member Username: Anthony_ferrari Post Number: 144 Registered: 11-2002 |
So nobody really knows the answer? Who makes the decisions on allocations? Does Luca decide who gets one or do they allocate cars to dealers and let the dealers decide? | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 895 Registered: 4-2002 |
Well said, Jay. However, I think Ferrari is just trying to prevent the car from being bought by some gold-chained turd. They deserve to go to a true tifosi, whether they are driven or stored. The problem is that many will try to buy them that are looking for an investment only - not to enjoy the car, or to impress the blonde trophy girlfriend. Send out a 10 page questionaire (and I'm not sure that was the length) and see if the guy really wants the car for the right reasons. If so, sell it to him. And frankly, this is also just being fair to the other people on the waiting list. It's a limited production car. What if you wanted to buy one for all the right reasons, but were rejected in favor of a sleazy wholesaler who only wanted to resell it? | ||
| Jay S. Morris (J_saber)
New member Username: J_saber Post Number: 47 Registered: 12-2002 |
Don't get me wrong guys, I am an advocate of Ferrari usage. Further, I agree that the Enzo is special. If there is anything that I learned from this board it's that we all buy these cars for different reasons. What ever the reasons may be there is always on common quality, Ferraris are special to their owners. The factory, the club, the chat, thats all beatiful. It's beatiful but who really cares. Under it all I bought my car for me, for my enjoyment. I just don't see where Ferrari should dictate how anyones gets their enjoyment. I think its dumb to bubble a Ferrari and drive it 30 miles a year. But collectors collect, that's part of their Ferrari passion. When you buy a Ferrari your not buying a car to zip from A to B. You're buying enjoyment. I think that comes in many different ways when it comes to Ferrari ownership. To each his own, thats what makes it special. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 890 Registered: 4-2002 |
Personally, I can see the requirement of being one of the "worthy". I don't think the buyer should be able to 'flip' it. It's a special car, and deserves special owners. If I had the coin, I'd respect the wishes of the factory and own it and drive it as they intended. (Some of the F50 owners that I know of drive the holy piss out the cars! I'm sure the factory would approve.) | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 466 Registered: 3-2002 |
Brass Balls(throwback to Glen Gary Glenross) | ||
| Jay S. Morris (J_saber)
New member Username: J_saber Post Number: 46 Registered: 12-2002 |
That's crazy. Not to be the bad apple in the bunch but 10 pages. Come on, give me a break. If I went to buy a car and had to pass a test of 20 questions then •••• it, the car's not for me. If I put chains on the car and wanted to try to cross the poles with it, that's my business. What a crock of ••••. That makes me so angry! First come, first served. That's fair. Anything for the boosters, same •••• everywhere you go. That's to bad. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 527 Registered: 1-2002 |
a lamp, a genie, and three wishes. or, a million cash. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3855 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ray actually got the car because he is a good customer. Owns a 360 Challenge and is knownsthat he tracks his cars frequently as well as (like his F40) has some prestine examples of "collector" cars. I think they are looking for a healthy dose of both. Can't wait to bum a ride in his Enzo.  | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 448 Registered: 8-2001 |
A lot of money is a requirement. Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 | ||
| Steve (V10_nut)
Junior Member Username: V10_nut Post Number: 53 Registered: 3-2002 |
Important factor! They want to know how many NEW Ferraris you have bought. Keep in mind their business is NEW cars and they want to see that you bought them in the bad times as well as the good. I know guys that went out and bought F50's thinking they would have a better shot at getting an Enzo. Doesn't work that way. Just politics and mutual back scratching. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member Username: Doody Post Number: 784 Registered: 11-2001 |
interesting dave. i heard from my local dealer that one of the factors was how much you DRIVE your ferraris. that they didn't want them to all just go to collectors. who knows! doody. | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 485 Registered: 8-2001 |
I was in the office of the General Manager of a Ferrari Dealership when he got a call from one of his good customers who was upset that he did not get an Enzo. The GM told this customer that one of the deciding factors was how many COLLECTOR Ferraris the person already had. Ferrari considers this a collector's car. The number of Ferraris owned does not matter. Just the number of already/currently owned collector Ferraris. | ||
| Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member Username: Jeff_m Post Number: 82 Registered: 9-2002 |
I have read that many times about the contract that states you cannot sell for a year and wonder how that can really be inforced. I am sure many people buy under corporate names etc.. and there are plenty that get sold immediately.What could really be done? | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1984 Registered: 2-2001 |
I spoke to a guy down here in Miami named Ray who has an F40, race Diablos & other goodies. He's on the list for recieving an Enzo. He does go to the track often. Seems Ferrari made him sign an agrrement that he wouldnt sell the car for a year | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 2246 Registered: 8-2002 |
The F-50 had a 3 year lease with the option to buy at the end to prevent flipping | ||
| Randall Booth (Randall)
Junior Member Username: Randall Post Number: 111 Registered: 1-2003 |
What was the sale agreement like? I'[ve always wondered, if all the cars are sold before they're made, why are the at dealerships? Is that just for display purposes? Or are they not all sold before they're made? | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 886 Registered: 4-2002 |
I know it helped a lot to own a set of the 'supercars': 288GTO, F40, F50. What didn't help was if you did a quick turn-around, selling one of these cars for a quick profit (altho that was a bit difficult with the sale agreement in place for the F50). I heard there was a multi-page questionaire. Anybody know it's size or content? 10 pages was mentioned, but I don't know if that was accurate. | ||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 187 Registered: 10-2002 |
I know you had to own a Ferrari before being put on the list but what else did they base the invite list on. Was it up to Ferrari's home base or up to the actual dealers here in America. I heard that they looked at people that use there current cars on the track alot. Anyone know anymore on this? |