| Author | Message | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 319 Registered: 10-2001 |
Your Dad pioneered the first Viper SUV. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2271 Registered: 2-2001 |
Wow, it's good he was alright. | ||
| Mongrel (Mongrel)
New member Username: Mongrel Post Number: 11 Registered: 2-2002 |
I bought my Viper when I was 25. Some skeptics, my insurance company included, felt I couldn't handle the power. It was my dad who gave the car its first "scratch": http://www.enkahoi.com | ||
| joe saldana (Ironjoe)
New member Username: Ironjoe Post Number: 43 Registered: 12-2001 |
Bret,just go rent or borrow a cobra for the weekend.Then give it to your dad for the weekend,let him showup at any event. (especially track events,weddings,anywhere,friends,family,people he can take out for a rip) Ill throw a 50 says he comes home,then on monday starts calling around the countrys best cobra builders..... | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 727 Registered: 6-2001 |
I know its hard to drive cars with alot of hp, but how hard is it? Some kid i know's father has a viper and his dad said it scares the •••• out of him when he floors it. Alot of kids i know dont think that, they dont know anything. Some kids in my school are like ohh, im such a good driver i will smoke your audi in a race. I just say probably because i dont want to race them because they are shitty drivers and dont know the first thing about car control and what happens when cars corner. Stupid kids... | ||
| JPM (John_308qv)
New member Username: John_308qv Post Number: 27 Registered: 4-2001 |
As for the kid joining the National Guard, he still will have to go through Army Basic Training. Here�s hoping he'll lip off to some 240 lb drill sergeant who won�t give a crap about how much money his parents have and get a rude lesson in respect. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2256 Registered: 2-2001 |
I wish my dad still had cool cars, in particular the one Corvette that he hot rodded. Then I could con him out of it all the time, a little American Iron. How would you guys go about conning a parent into buying something like a Cobra replica? Note it's a parent that used to spend his whole life under cars and claims to be tired of working on them. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 1833 Registered: 5-2001 |
Right on TomD. It sounds like Richard has it more like flipping the key of the car to his son smiling without telling him if you do that youcan drive this! My kid will be driving my car one day as well. As a reward, yes if you feel that way, but more like, I like what you did here or there and that is why I have the confidence in letting you enjoy this car as well. Great to see so many responsible answers here. Gives me new hope that there are actually intelligent people out there  | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 511 Registered: 9-2001 |
Robert I think that is a good approach, these days I am surprised how many parents feel they need to reward their kids for doing what they should normally do. for example how many times have you heard a parent of a small child say, if you eat your dinner you can have ice cream, or parents of teenagers say if you take the garabage out you can stay up an hour later, I am very careful to avoid this, rewards should be for going above the call of duty not to coerse kids into doing what they should normally do as a matter of responsibility. | ||
| Robert B. Ochsman (Hfguy)
New member Username: Hfguy Post Number: 5 Registered: 3-2002 |
My 18 year old kid drives my Mondial and '67 Vette once in a while. Almost always as a reward for some good acts. Allows us to share our love of cars and teaches responsibility. After all, they're his some day. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 677 Registered: 12-2001 |
Magoo, I agree you are on the right track! | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1781 Registered: 12-2000 |
JR is long gone Martin, you can sit back down and join the rest of us.  | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 1815 Registered: 5-2001 |
I know a kid here too that got a Diablo when he was 17. I must admit that my first reaction was: spoiled brat. Although in general that may be true, he values the car very much and drives it daily. He enjoyes it, brings it to shows and has a blast with the car. 2 years later he is still happy with it. As parental guidance giving your kid a expensive toy is just nuts. What is the lesson to learn here? JR, I really spend too much time on this board. I have started "FerrariChat Anonymous" <standing>"I have a problem..." | ||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Junior Member Username: Modman Post Number: 142 Registered: 11-2001 |
Damn, If I decide on the Diablo I hope people don't see me as a punk spoiled kid. I have to work hard for my cars. No kid here but in some ways yes, love all my toys- can't afford to let life slip away from lifes experiences. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2323 Registered: 2-2001 |
You know guys, It doesn't always have to be the Super Cars that kids get in trouble with. When I was 16, I got, I paid for , A Studebaker Golden Hawk with a Packard engine. That was one ass haulin machine. I raced Ford interceptor engine cars. I am lucky to be here today. I did a lot of foolish things and had a lot of close calls. At that time it was considered one of the fast ones but I never should have had that car that young. I know that now but you couldn't have told me that then. | ||
| rick catalano (Tatcat)
New member Username: Tatcat Post Number: 27 Registered: 9-2001 |
speed +inexperience= trouble. the sad parents always say "we bought it for his LAST birthday". hell when i was sixteen i had to drive stolen cars. they're the best to make those learning mistakes in. | ||
| Michael Yip (Mightyslash)
New member Username: Mightyslash Post Number: 5 Registered: 4-2002 |
Damn, I'd be very happy if someone bought me a F355. | ||
| DAVE SHEARS (Daveshears)
New member Username: Daveshears Post Number: 14 Registered: 3-2001 |
I was in the motorcycle salvage business for 29 years and have bought and sold many crashed motorcycles. Most were purchased from insurance companies on salvage contracts. However I purchased many others from private parties. It was very difficult dealing with emotions of a father who had lost his son on a motorcycle that was the most expensive and fastest thing made. Parents bought their kids the newest--the lastest--and the greatest. Unfortunately when you mix rich parents who buy what ever the kids wants and put them on fast street bikes you have major problems. In order to start riding a motorcycle in Europe you have to begin with a small cc motorcycle. Typically they cost less- taking large stupid money out of the equation. | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
Junior Member Username: Manu Post Number: 144 Registered: 2-2002 |
Apparently my cousin told me that the 17 year old Arab Prince in his school had a whole line of supercars (most belonging to his father) in some garage in Chelsea somewhere..... It doesn't surprise me at all. I myself have personally met a father (immensely wealthy family - oil rigs in the North Sea apparently!!) who bought his 19 year old son a Diablo. About the 80% comment - I'm not lying - this is fact - think about it - Lambo used to build about 150 cars a year - A few hot shot Californian brats, Arab Princes, Other Royal family members, Russian mafia don's children, lottery winners, and other assorted little shits and you've got 120 odd Diablos that have ended up in the hands of Kids........ | ||
| joe saldana (Ironjoe)
New member Username: Ironjoe Post Number: 42 Registered: 12-2001 |
Bill, I had a 356 about 6 years ago you can crank them up to about 110 safe,daily driver hp before they grenade,Man I practilly gave that car away, It was truly found by me BEHIND A BARN.I would have made some loot, just taking a picture of it,imbedded in the ground,red n white barn,buffalo across wood fence in background.n threw it in Excellence Mag ..... | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 353 Registered: 6-2001 |
Joe: That is the best idea I've seen for giving a kid a great car. Art | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Junior Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 66 Registered: 2-2002 |
Joe: My son wants to meet your daughter when they both turn 16... | ||
| joe saldana (Ironjoe)
New member Username: Ironjoe Post Number: 41 Registered: 12-2001 |
Rob, n Bret I agree with you totally.I had no parental guidance,so with my kids its all hands on experiance ,my son was on a Suzuki jr 50 at 2 1/2 just after he half mooned the training wheels on his (schriken-bike)(still hangs in garage next to origional 427 Cobra steering wheel)racing at 3 1/2 ktm 50 at 4,at 5 a custom built 4,000.00 Cobra 50 about 60 trophys later we play travel hockey now, hes awesome.Daughter allready drove my Porsche at 10 up to 65 mph,wants a 5 spd.hates automatics,gets straight A,reports will look like her mother.Money dont mean JACK-S--T to them.what I love is that me n Kel are doing our job as participating parents we see them share,have compassion, n give to those less fortunate on their own accord. The Lambo Kid n many like him just got dumped with hundreds of thousands in loot but not a dollar of time n hands in the dirt.P.S my daughter allready knows shes getting a Porsche at 17, n that her college is paid for.she is a girl, when I give my son my Ferrari,I WILL take it apart in about 300 pieces,and tell him if he wants it,just put it back together.. | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Junior Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 65 Registered: 2-2002 |
How many horsepower did a 356 have in 1958? Ninety? That's a far cry from a Diablo. | ||
| 1989 328 GTS (Vilamoura2002)
Member Username: Vilamoura2002 Post Number: 314 Registered: 9-2001 |
When I was 16 I was already driving my father's Porsche 356, without a licence.(This was in 1958) At that time a 356 was considered a racing car. I have never crashed ! | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 352 Registered: 6-2001 |
Anyone who would buy a 18 year old a car like that is either an idiot, or doesn't like the kid. That car was probably not bought with earned money, I bet. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2283 Registered: 2-2001 |
The best way parents can get a problem teenager off their back and out of their way is to give him a high powered sports car. He won't be bugging them much longer. | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Junior Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 64 Registered: 2-2002 |
Ever check out the pile of crotch rockets in your local junk yard? They all have about 2,000 miles on the odometer. Why? Because that's how long it takes an inexperienced kid to kill himself on one. If every parent were as responsible as Bret's dad we'd be a lot better off, but most aren't. This Lambo kid is a prime example. His parents wanted him to join the army specifically because he didn't have the judgement and emotional detachment Wm Hart refers to, nor does he have the maturity needed to control his hormones. My first car was a 1965 Lotus Elan Series 1 that I purchased for $1500 while in college. It was the moral equivalent of the college kids with 308's who haunt this forum. I loved that car even though I had to work on it all week so that it would run on weekends. It had an SCCA spec engine and weighed only 1400 pounds. I treasure that experience partly because I lived through it, and I wouldn't want to deny anyone else from having a similar experience if they can handle it. The guys on this forum seem to have what it takes to drive those cars. But a Diablo in the hands of a teenage juvenile delinquent? One way to cure an uncontrollable kid is to give him the tools to kill himself. You'll be rid of the problem in no time! | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Junior Member Username: Whart Post Number: 200 Registered: 12-2001 |
On reflexes, timing, eyesight and stamina ( in respect to driving, c'mon), the 16 year old probably has us beat. (Many of those people piloting fighter planes aren't much older). The problem is judgement, and emotional detachment. On the first, how can this be learned without experience? On the second, my hormones still rage when i'm behind the wheel, and i can't imagine what it would be like to be that age, driving a rocket powered sex machine. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 657 Registered: 6-2001 |
JR- thanks for your opinion, no one asked. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1760 Registered: 12-2000 |
I'm surprised J.R. didn't make a comment about my 1756 posts (now that's wasting time in front of the computer!!! ). | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1408 Registered: 12-2000 |
Bret, I agree. My dad wasn't into cars or racing, but he was into hunting, fishing, and golf. From the time I was a baby I have pictures of me with toy guns in the duck blind, a pole in my hand, and putting around the green. I grew up in a responsible environment where my dad timed my progression perfectly with what I was ready for. By the time I was 16 I was a very safe and experienced hunter, a very safe boater and experienced fisherman, and a great golfer with great etiquette on the course. Only because my father was that skilled himself and started me young and spent hours with me did I reach that level myself. I believe I will start my kids in karts and advance them to the point that when they're 16 they can drive an open wheel racer around the track safely and as well as I can. That 16 year old will also be able to drive a Lambo responsibly. However, I hunt with 40 year olds that are more likely to shoot their foot off than a duck. That don't know the first thing about a good golf swing or course etiquette or couldn't catch a starving fish with dynamite. Age maturity has some to do with it, but environment probably has more influence. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2168 Registered: 2-2001 |
My dad was really cool (still is). When I was 9 I got my first motorcycle (KX-80) and rode every weekend with my uncle, which led to racing, etc. We have a lot of property in the mountains so we have our own roads and stuff on it. He made me start driving with him riding passenger when I was like 10. And I always had to drive. A little scary when you're like 5 feet tall and going up and down roads which have been run through with scitters and logging trucks, getting stuck, hung up, etc. He made me learn to drive stick when I was 12 (we have two trucks up there, a auto and a stick). This stuff was scary and tough in the beginning, but I'm so glad he made me looking back. Guys get your kids driving early if you can and really guide them through the whole thing, it's the best thing for them. So back to the ferrari. Granted it's not that fast of a car, some of my old motorcycles that I was riding at 12 would kill it 0-60, it is still fast enough. The biggest difference I noticed with the Ferrari is how low and how little you can see out of it as compared to other cars. This is where I see the problems with being inexperienced. If the kid is taught how to control power, slide cars, spin, etc then he can control the car, it's just this great disadvantage in vision that can get you because you haven't developed a feel for what other people are going to do in driving situations yet. My dad is still cool with the Ferrari and all the mods I'm doing. Now doesn't look at me like I'm crazy when looking for pistons, cams, etc anymore. Having a great car (and maintenance prone) is good for a kid IMO. Kept me out of a lot of trouble I'm sure (scary thought considering what I have gotten into). Who has time to start doing drugs when you have to run after school to get an alignment, change the oil, tweek the FI settings, order a tach sensor, throw in a new fuel filter, you guys get the point. As far as giving a kid a $300K car, you're nuts. My dad doesn't do anything financially with the 308, it's my toy and I've made my bed here. You're a lot more responsible when it's your own work paying for it all. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 287 Registered: 10-2001 |
I also would be dead if I had a true racer as a teen. Driving the family jalopy as a teen gave me a true respect for more sophisticated cars as I got older. But I confess; when my 10 year old, who is truly cool, gets old enogh, I will have a hard time not letting him borrow the Lotus for a hot date because I remember how it was... | ||
| Ernesto Sgroi (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 303 Registered: 2-2001 |
I remember when I was 17 I had just gotten my driver's license and my parents bought me a Ford Probe GT (turbo) with 145hp I think. Well, within a year, the little probe was totaled and I had broken two legs, my arm, etc etc. Teens and sports cars do NOT mix, and I am proof of that. I can't even imagine what would have happened to me with a Diablo or a 360. I would be D-E-A-D..... No matter how mature a teenager looks, he/she is NOT ready for a sports car... Ernesto | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2270 Registered: 2-2001 |
Greg or Rich, Do you see anything in that blank space for a post? | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2269 Registered: 2-2001 |
Did someone just post or is that a blank space under this post? | ||
| J.R. (308_fan)
New member Username: 308_fan Post Number: 5 Registered: 4-2002 |
Tim - No teenager deserves a diablo, unless he earned it.. The fact that his parents GAVE it to him on a BRIBE makes it that much worse. | ||
| J.R. (308_fan)
New member Username: 308_fan Post Number: 4 Registered: 4-2002 |
Thanks for your two cents magoo, no one asked! | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2268 Registered: 2-2001 |
J.R. I can tell you now that your attitude seems very arrogant for a newcomer into the family of the F.C.. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 653 Registered: 6-2001 |
Maybe we shouldnt judge the lucky bastard since we dont know him. Maybe he appriciates it for what it is. Hopefully hes responsible too, the last thing the world needs is an irresponsible teenager with 550hp under his right foot. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2163 Registered: 2-2001 |
Damn kids with fast cars. | ||
| J.R. (308_fan)
New member Username: 308_fan Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2002 |
I'm not here to cause trouble, but when I post my opinion I get a sarcastic post from him in return? He has obviously spent <<numerous>> hours online here with 675 messages posted in 5 months and one would think he would respect another's opinion. | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Junior Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 190 Registered: 3-2001 |
Hey J.R. You are being a jerk. Richelson is cool and he didn't say it in the way that I think you are referring to. If you are here to cause trouble, please don't. I think that 675 posts is a good thing and I think it is much better to contribute than post with nothing positive to say. | ||
| J.R. (308_fan)
New member Username: 308_fan Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2002 |
Richelson, sorry I'm not on par with your impressive 675 posts. Guess I have not devoted my life to this board yet. BTW, thanks for the warm welcome! | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
Junior Member Username: Tenney Post Number: 103 Registered: 2-2001 |
Lambo makes a good car but it makes an even better poster. Hence the popularity with teens. That said, doubt that 80% of the owners are teens that were somehow able to convince their folks that a Diablo was the logical next step after Drivers Ed (at least not in the US). | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Junior Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 186 Registered: 3-2001 |
I am surprised by the 80% myself. I believe the guy in the major crash last year was in a Lambo racing a vette. I think he was older though. Richelson, you are too much LOL. Between you and the others I am always finding something humerous everytime I read the posts. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 675 Registered: 12-2001 |
J.R. What a useful post especially for your first. Way to contribute huh! | ||
| J.R. (308_fan)
New member Username: 308_fan Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2002 |
"hooliganisms".. I don't find that funny. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 674 Registered: 12-2001 |
That is a great word "hooliganism". LOL! I am always using the term hooligan but I have never heard it like this. Great answer. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1756 Registered: 12-2000 |
Who gives a s--- about the car, I should hope he doesn't kill innocent bystanders with his hooliganisms. | ||
| RM Kehoe (Ryanab)
New member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 10 Registered: 3-2002 |
As an owner of a Diablo this disgusts me but doesn't surprise me either... Just more typical rich parents that were never there to raise or teach the damn kid discipline and morals.. Pray that he does not wreck the car, for the Lambo's sake. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 650 Registered: 6-2001 |
80% of diablos are registered to teenage owners? That sounds like bullsh*t to me. | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
Junior Member Username: Manu Post Number: 141 Registered: 2-2002 |
Golden-spoon + hairy chest wig...... Still love Lambos though. | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Junior Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 62 Registered: 2-2002 |
80%!!! I always thought of Lambo's as 'gold-chain' cars. Now I'll have to amend that. Perhaps they are really 'golden spoon' cars. | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
Junior Member Username: Manu Post Number: 139 Registered: 2-2002 |
My young cousin attends a prestigious private school in North London...He told me they had a 17 year old kid who was the son of some Middle Eastern Emirate that had a new Lamborghini Diablo... I don't know why but kids love the Diablo... I read in an item in Autocar magazine that in 1998 80% of new Lamborghinis worldwide were registered new to Teenage owners! | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 646 Registered: 6-2001 |
If i were the kid i would have tried to get $500k worth of cars out of them instead. I could really have all the cars i would want, an F40, 360, an E55 and some muscle cars. | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Junior Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 61 Registered: 2-2002 |
While in suburban Atlanta for Easter I heard the most unbelievable story about parental stupidity and exotic cars. I wouldn't believe the story if it hadn't been told to me by a friend who is an exotic car technician and who has actually worked on the car. It seems that a local eighteen year-old boy from a way-too-rich-and-way-too-stupid family has been the source of some concern to his parents. They decided that the only cure for his misbehavior is the army--only he refused to enlist. To encourage him they offered to buy him any car under $500,000 on the day that he enlisted. So he did. And they bought him a Lamborghini Diablo. Only the brat had the last laugh on his parents. Instead of enlisting in the regular army he joined the National Guard. The parents were disappointed that they had been duped, but they let him keep the car anyway. Now this immature, troublemaker is terrorizing Peachtree City, GA. with his Lamborghini Diablo. I predict he'll be dead in a month. | ||
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