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Kristoffer Hansson (Maverick)
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Username: Maverick

Post Number: 104
Registered: 3-2001
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 7:43 pm:   

In sweden the average cost for taking a drivers license is more than 1000 bucks. Since its so costly and takes so much time only a few of the 18 year olds take a d.l.

wayne skiles (Bad_tt)
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Username: Bad_tt

Post Number: 18
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 6:06 pm:   

Try running Silverstate open road races
speed limited by safety equipment and to some extent experience in higher speed classes.
http://www.silverstateclassic.com/
Jason Wesoky (Wesokyjb)
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Username: Wesokyjb

Post Number: 90
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 5:52 pm:   

Red 360 Spyder with a black top. Looked brand-new, but then again, don't they all?
TomD (Tifosi)
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Username: Tifosi

Post Number: 3538
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 3:54 pm:   

I think many people know it better as macadam or aka blacktop, BTW i knew what you meant
Dan 360 (Dan360)
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Username: Dan360

Post Number: 23
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 3:50 pm:   

Sounds like another of those words that people just don't seem to understand in America when I say them. To me Tarmac is "tarmacadam" which is a "Road or paving material combining crushed stone, rolled and mixed with bitumen type mixer." As opposed to a plain concrete surface - which makes a LOT more noise.

For those who live in Mass the Ted Williams tunnel starts as Concrete and then changes to Tarmac.

Dan
Matthew J Germane (Mjgermane)
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Username: Mjgermane

Post Number: 58
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 3:30 pm:   

In Utah I-15 has a limit of 75 mph for quite a ways. Going north just outside of St. George up until Springville the limit is 75, which is about 250 miles.
PlayersMarkus (Playersmarkus)
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Username: Playersmarkus

Post Number: 66
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 2:21 pm:   

Jason, what color was the 360 ? We just witnessed as a 360 spider crashing into the wall this Sunday at PPIR...ouch ;O)

I agree with your comment about CO drivers...
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Username: Drstranglove

Post Number: 207
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 2:00 pm:   

"He said that when the surface changed from Concrete to Tarmac"


Huh?!?!?! In the Corps a "tarmac" is a generic term for any place you can or do land aircraft.

In fact a little search found that Tarmac is not a product, but the name of a company that makes concrete and other aggregates. I believe they are based in the UK.



http://www.tarmac.co.uk/live/welcome.asp?id=0

DrS
Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
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Username: Paulie_b

Post Number: 71
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 1:06 pm:   

In Florida, the Interstate goes up to 70 mph in certain sections.
Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
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Username: Ralfabco

Post Number: 119
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 12:45 pm:   

Oh what the _ell !!

Just ride the Suzuki Hayabusa

Wanna Pursue ? ~ Forget it at night !!
Jason Wesoky (Wesokyjb)
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Username: Wesokyjb

Post Number: 85
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 11:23 am:   

Outside the city of Denver, heading east, the limit is 75mph. In the wide open road, though, most people drive about 85mph. In the city, while the speed limit is 55 or 65, most people drive at or below that speed. I have lived and visited several places, but Denver has a monopoly on the worst highway drivers. I thought the point of driving a car (unless you're on a casual Sunday drive in your Ferrari) was to get from point A to point B as quickly as you can. Here it seems no one has any interest in getting where they're going. Frustrating!! That's why I walk to work.

BTW, saw a new 360 with factory embedded Scudiera shields outside of Adega yesterday. Anyone here the owner?
rich (Dino2400)
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Username: Dino2400

Post Number: 218
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 10:45 am:   

Dan360's comments are right on. For example, though the posted speed limit on the highway I used to commute on in the bay area - the 280 - is 65mph, the flow of non-truck traffic is more like 80-90. I didn't stand out much at all riding the Ducati at around 100 everyday.

I now live out in the middle of California and most highways are 70, with 80 being the usual speed of the left lane.
Dan 360 (Dan360)
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Username: Dan360

Post Number: 22
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 10:29 am:   

He said that when the surface changed from Concrete to Tarmac, just that little ridge made it briefly feel like it was about to get airborne...

I think before the ground effects venturi on the 360 it might have been even more "exciting".

Dan
DES (Sickspeed)
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Username: Sickspeed

Post Number: 3866
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 9:41 am:   

i recall recalling a posted limit of 75 in California, last year... i was further north than you, Jordan (Fresno, etc.), but we drove all the way down to L.A. at one point...

State limit here in NY is 55; but no one pays any attention to that... :-)
Ton Visser (Lion315)
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Username: Lion315

Post Number: 525
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 9:41 am:   

Hi Dan,

What did your friend mean with the changing of the road surface?

Ton
Dan 360 (Dan360)
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Username: Dan360

Post Number: 20
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 9:28 am:   

A friend of mine just went to Spa in his 360 for a track day and managed 180mph on the belgian motor way. His comment was it was a bit interesting when the road surface changed at that speed (mostly concrete motorways in Belgium).

One observation about the US vs Europe (I'm a brit living in the US). Despite the bizzare speed limits in the US, average driving speeds are much the same as in Europe - ie 80-90mph seems to be a fine cruising speed at which you won't stand out (in Mass, NY, Conn etc at least). However you don't get the execu-barges flying past you at 120+ mph that you do in France or Switzerland (not to mention Germany).

As for me, I try and keep below 100mph, but its all too easy to just lean on that throttle for a few seconds... :-)
Jens Haller (Jh280774)
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Username: Jh280774

Post Number: 562
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 9:07 am:   

Ton,

Absolutely right! In Germany it is really no shame to not pass the practical exam at first time. You forget a view over the shoulder when changing lanes and you fail immediately (Very strict!)
Of course the density of cars is much higher in Europe then in most parts of the US.
My friend who did the license in the US lived in Colorado and he told me that at the whole practical test which he could do completely with an automatic car he encountered THREE other cars.
Great!!!!!
You can easily imagine how he behaved in a crowded german city driving a stick car the first time in his life. He always stalled the engine and I really was afraid of loosing my life in his little crappy Lancia...



Con saluti cordialissimi,
Jens Haller
Ton Visser (Lion315)
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Username: Lion315

Post Number: 523
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 8:54 am:   

There is a big difference indeed between the regulations in some of the European countries and the US. A lot of people in Europe fail for the first couple of times when they do the exam. European people also tend to find 16 yrs very young for a drivers license. But I also think that you cannot compare the two worldparts.

Ton
Jens Haller (Jh280774)
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Username: Jh280774

Post Number: 561
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 8:46 am:   

Jeffrey,

Indeed it is not really that hard to get a license here in Germany. Compared to the US though it is extremly hard:

You are not allowed to learn to drive without a licensed driving teacher.
You have to learn to drive a stick car. It�s not allowed to do all lessons with automatic.
You need to do at least around 20 practical driving lessons with the teacher. Amongst them are "MUST" night drives, highway drives and "overland" drives.
Besides that you get around the same amount of theoretical lessons.
Afterwards you do a theoretical exam on multiple choice base. There are over 400 possible questions as far as I remember.
Then you do a practical exam with backwards parking, highway driving and inner city driving. This exam takes about one hour and can be quite tough. The exam takes place with a manual transmission stick car.
You can only get a driving license after you turned 18 years old.

That can all be done but it takes around half a year at least.
When I was still at high school some friends of mine did an exchange year in the US and came back with 17 and a driving license from the US.
To be honest all of them drove horribly bad and no one of them would have passed the license test here in Germany. Besides no one of them could drive a stick. Uhhhhhhhh....



Con saluti cordialissimi,
Jens Haller
TomD (Tifosi)
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Username: Tifosi

Post Number: 3527
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 8:23 am:   

We should have tighter rules on who gets a licence - people here think it is their right to drive - it is not. This whole speed limit thing on highways outside cities is just an insurance and revenue generating scam
Jeffrey Robbins (Teachdna)
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Username: Teachdna

Post Number: 101
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 8:18 am:   

The German system has a lot to recommend it. Along with the higher speeding limits is a much higher bar and price tag for obtaining a driver's license. I can just imagine the screams here in the States if the German regulations for licensing were put in place.
Dave (Maranelloman)
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Username: Maranelloman

Post Number: 1433
Registered: 1-2002
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 8:05 am:   

A lot of I-10 in West Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona is 75 MPH. :-) :-) :-)

Also, I believe Montana implemented an actual daytime speed limit (also 75) in mid 1999, due to 14th Amendment issues with each cop's interpretation of reasonable & prudent being different, and thus the law being enforced unequally...
Ton Visser (Lion315)
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Username: Lion315

Post Number: 519
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 4:02 am:   

I agree!
accident numbers in Belgium are much higher although the speedlimit is strict enforced.

It feels free indeed to drive on the mighty autobahn.

Ton
Jens Haller (Jh280774)
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Username: Jh280774

Post Number: 558
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 3:54 am:   

Dr Strangelove,

In Germany it�s basically like that:
On highways you are allowed to drive as fast as you want unless there is a speeding limit (Mostly 120 to 100 km/h).
Lots of highways (Autobahnen) have speed limits but a lot still don�t! :-)
At streets outside of cities you are generally allowed to drive 100 km/h while inside the city you are allowed to do 50 km/h.
BTW: German slogan of the opponents of a general speeding limit on highways is:
"Free speeding for free people"


Con saluti cordialissimi,
Jens Haller



P.S. Accident numbers on highways in Germany are not higher than in other countries in Europe (with speeding limit).
ross koller (Ross)
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Username: Ross

Post Number: 1164
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 3:42 am:   

no wonder you guys spend so much time at the track! those are really pedestrian limits ! also no wonder you have to fly everywhere. such a shame with such open country.
Eric Vartanian (Evartanian)
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Username: Evartanian

Post Number: 186
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 1:15 am:   

Oh okay, Gabe mentioned it. I guess its 70 then.
Eric Vartanian (Evartanian)
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Username: Evartanian

Post Number: 185
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 1:13 am:   

Actually Jordan I know on the way to Mammoth there's a stretch where its up 75 I believe.

But yeah, on most freeways I know of they're 65.
jake diamond (Rampante)
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Username: Rampante

Post Number: 109
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 12:39 am:   

I believe there are no longer any prima facie speed limits in the USA; Montana was the end of the line.

Jake
Gabe V (Racerxgto)
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Username: Racerxgto

Post Number: 38
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 11:47 pm:   

The Peoples Socialists Republik of Kalifornia, a small stretch of Interstate 5 that has an average ambulance response time of 20-30 mins, the posted limit is 70mph.
David C. (Worth_it)
Junior Member
Username: Worth_it

Post Number: 118
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 11:45 pm:   

DrS -

Try Montana - during the day there are no limits "reasonable and safe for conditions" Night time I think it is 65 mph.

I think they are the only ones left with this - a few others caved in to the Fed's so they wouldn't take their road money away.

P.S. What about the oil change you mentioned ??
Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
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Username: Jordan747_400

Post Number: 935
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 11:31 pm:   

I think the max is 65 in California...unless I remembered the driver handbook wrong :-)
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Username: Drstranglove

Post Number: 201
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 11:15 pm:   

Here in NC the best we can do is 70 on some parts of Interstates. What other states have higher ones? And where in the state are they???

DrS

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