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Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Junior Member
Username: Robertgarven
Post Number: 149
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 11:32 am: | |
Actually, Matt I think all Ferrari's are very reliable vehicles, I can't speak for other owners but my car is almost 30 years old 43,000 miles and in ten years hasnever left me stranded or broke anywhere. I has an exploded timing gear bearing and the engine still ran until I diasgnosed and repaired the problem. As for 360 being more reliable than 308's I wont speculate but new cars have problems also, sometimes more as they need to be sorted out.
Charles, I will meet you at the screening of fast and furious for a match race :-) |
matt green (Mattg)
New member
Username: Mattg
Post Number: 27
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 11:04 am: | |
isnt there ALOT less 308 gtb's than 360 coupes at the end of the run???? |
Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Member
Username: Airbarton
Post Number: 600
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 9:02 am: | |
Robert W., nice car but I bet I could keep up with you! |
Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Member
Username: Airbarton
Post Number: 599
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 8:56 am: | |
Andrew, I agree. I also don't think 308 prices are going to get much higher. As you said, they were made in far to great a number. I think they are really great cars but I just don't see a collector having much interest in them. I think the same is true for my car. I actually think that is one of the great things about it though. I can drive the hell out of it and not worry about the value since it is likely to keep going down anyway. |
Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Junior Member
Username: Robertgarven
Post Number: 148
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 10:57 pm: | |
Here is real view that (most) high end Fcar owners have of my car! :-)
Rob
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Jack (Gilles27)
Member
Username: Gilles27
Post Number: 984
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 5:13 pm: | |
It's pointless to single out the Ferrari aspect of snobbery, since those who behave this way are most likely to look down on people in most situations. The guy at the yacht club with a smaller boat. The waiter at the country club. The junior executive at work. Pool guy. Lawn guy. Snobs are snobs. Don't make it a "Ferrari" thing. |
Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Member
Username: Tbakowsky
Post Number: 421
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 3:22 pm: | |
PeterS.. What I ment by my "You all suck" comment was the direction of the conversation. Again it is a thread just looking for trouble. And it sucks that people have the type of attitude towards fellow enthusists who can or cannot afford or may not want the latest and the greatest.
If any offence was taken I'm sorry. |
PeterS (Peters)
Member
Username: Peters
Post Number: 642
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 11:27 am: | |
Speaking of cup holders, I still have a few left for 3X8 consoles I made from exotic hardoods. Everyone I sent them to really like them! No charge. |
jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
Member
Username: Atheyg
Post Number: 264
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 10:51 am: | |
When i had my 68 vette convert I went to a few local vette club meets and experienced the different attitudes with the old vs new crowd,
alot of banter with the guys in their
Corvette Jackets and gold coin necklesses, I found it also funny that out of a 100 owners maybe 15 drove their car the rest stayed in the garage
This was one of the many things that turned me off on Vettes other than they are very poorly designed and a dime a dozen, they would be okay as a everyday grocery getter beater but are far from an exotic car
I also got tired of the "Corvettes Suck!"
comments I occasionally hear from pedestrians or other motorists, I have never heard a negative
comment such as this while driving my 911 or Ferrari |
Kendall Kim (Kenny)
New member
Username: Kenny
Post Number: 50
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 10:46 am: | |
I agree with Dave,,, saying that Enzo once believed that anything less than a V12 is a Dino is like once upon a time when German car manufacturers believing that true sports sedans don't have cup holders... In case you haven't noticed, times have changed... Every Merc, Bimmer, or Audi I see now have cupholders, coin holders, storage bins in the arm rest etc...
If Enzo continued to believe that V8's were Dinos, why did he commemorate the original 250GTO with a twin turbo V8 288GTO and why did Ferrari chose to commmemorate the 40th anniversary with a twin turbo V8 F40???? |
Andrew (Mrrou)
Member
Username: Mrrou
Post Number: 514
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 10:41 am: | |
High value seems to coincide with low production numbers. The 308 will always be a classic, but its value wont go up much because of how many were made.
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Andrew (Mrrou)
Member
Username: Mrrou
Post Number: 513
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 10:40 am: | |
"in 2023 a clean 308 will be worth more than a clean 360. Guanteed. Enzo wasnt even alive for the 360, but he rubbed his eyes all over the 308. For all you old 308 guys feeling like your not up to date just think about whas cooler now. A 2001 bubby vette or a 69 stingray. Same thing is gonna happen to the 3 series fcars. The cleanest old ones will be worth more."
Matt Green said it best here...the 308 is a timeless classic..much like a similar "underpowered" 212 inter would be against a more powerful 355 or 360.
There are just so many 308's out there that it is very easy to get one. (High numbers by Ferrari Standards of course)
Andrew |
Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member
Username: Hardtop
Post Number: 592
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 10:38 am: | |
The fact that 206's & 246's ARE badged as Dinos doesn't seem to hurt their market value! Hell, a 246 GTS can sell for about the same as a Daytona.
Frank,
Your rantings (as if you talked to Enzo and God yourself!) are exactly the kind of arrogance that pisses people off.
Dave |
sindo rodil (308qv_miami)
New member
Username: 308qv_miami
Post Number: 13
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 10:21 am: | |
I have to agree with "the don" the comment by rob was moronic. I have a 308qv and hang with people who have much more expensive and current Ferrari's and we all get along great and praise each others cars. It's all about having fun , getting together and sharing something in common. Lighten up folks. |
William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member
Username: Countachxx
Post Number: 2601
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 9:41 am: | |
define "Really expensive" are you talking about a 512TR or an F40, F50, Enzo, or a 250 GTO ?
I own both a pair of 512TRs & a 308 QV
I try hard to respect everyone & I dont care if they drive an F50 or push a shopping cart. bad things happen when people disrespect 1 another
That said if an F car owner Really wants my respect take it to the track. I know I can drive the wheels of my 512TR and I have blown the doors off many an F40 & Vipers & other cars. I have a lot of respect for a guy in a 308 who can drive the wheels off the thing & hang with the fast cars on sheer driver talent |
KCCK (Kenneth)
Member
Username: Kenneth
Post Number: 369
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 4:19 am: | |
Randall,
If the 308 does you proud, stand up for it with your head held high. |
Randall (Randall)
Member
Username: Randall
Post Number: 519
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 4:07 am: | |
All the other owners I've talked with have been very friendly. The stereotype that the owners are arrogant has yet to really ring true. The cars all have different things to offer, reliability, looks, speed, etc. |
Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Member
Username: Kennedy
Post Number: 327
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 2:01 am: | |
Frank blabbers: "I have always pegged all non-12 cylinder Ferraris as Dinos based on Enzo's statement that all Ferrari road cars would be 12 cylinder cars. [...] I love to read the responses to my posts from all the insecure V8 car owners out there who seem to love their car as long as it is badged as a Ferrari but would love the same car less if it carried a Dino badge instead. Why? Who knows?"
BS. Frank, if Ferrari SpA had badged all the non-V12's and non-front-engined cars as Dino's, nobody would love their car less... and at this point Dino would be known as the premiere line of true sports cars and Ferrari would be known for GT touring cars...
Dinos: Enzo, F50, F40, 360 Stradale, all Challenge cars, 360, 355, Testarossa, 3x8s, GTO, 512BB, 246GT, ...
Ferraris: 575, 550, 456, 412, 400GT, ...
And it wouldn't be the Ferrari Challenge series... it would be the Dino Challenge series.
Note that almost all the definitive Ferraris... the ones that define "Ferrari" for most of the population... are Dinos (per Frank). Thus, the Ferrari name would actually be quite diminished... and the Dino name quite prestigious.
Thus, you are missing the point, Frank... nobody would love their car less if Ferrari SpA had badged all the non-V12s and non-front-engined cars as Dinos. Rather, you typically call them Dinos in the same paragraph that you indicate disdain for them and make claims that a 550 is sooooo much better a car than a 360. You use the Dino tag as an insult... or at least that's how it comes off. And like most people, the non-V12 owners and the mid-engined owners don't like to be insulted... especially when its wholly baseless personal opinion, but stated as if it is fact which Enzo himself would back up.
Get a grip, Frank. Times change. People change.
I am curious though... can someone provide the larger context and the full quote by Enzo that included the statements concerning front-engine V12s that so warped Frank's ability to judge cars? I am curious why Enzo would make such a short-sighted statement... and why the superior mid-engine format would not be appropriate for a Ferrari road car? Anything but mid-engine is a compromise of performance. |
Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Member
Username: Kennedy
Post Number: 326
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 12:41 am: | |
I am a "mid-priced" Ferrari owner.
I don't care what Ferrari you own... I only care why you own a Ferrari... and what you do with it.
I'd rather see/meet/hang-out-with an enthusiast in a 308 headed to rallies or track events than a rich guy in a 360/550 who keeps it in his garage so that it won't get dirty and depreciate... or who drives it wherever, valet parks it, runs it through gas station car washes simply because he doesn't care about the car.
JMHO. |
PeterS (Peters)
Member
Username: Peters
Post Number: 630
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 11:04 pm: | |
Tom B..I am reading ALL of the posts in detail...Then I read yours..Whats with that? We all suck?..Even Bob C who owns a carb from a 308? |
Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member
Username: Arlie
Post Number: 1242
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 7:02 pm: | |
I worked with a girl who was born on the same day that Marilyn Monroe died. And yes, she was blonde also.
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Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Member
Username: Tbakowsky
Post Number: 420
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 7:00 pm: | |
You all suck!! for even haveing this debate!! |
Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Junior Member
Username: Robertgarven
Post Number: 146
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 6:58 pm: | |
Two other trivias:
The Racing Ferrari's, Dinos 246 & 308's are the only Ferraris's with even number serial #'s. The gt4 was the only 2+2 Ferrai to race at le Mans with factory support.
I was also born on the same day that Dino Ferrari died. He died on June 30, 1956 I was born on June 29, 1956 with the time zone i will let you do the math. This explains why when in my sleep I yell in l'Italiano, I have wanted both Dino's since birth and all those calls from Robert Stack.(rip)
Rob
who wants to believe in reincarnation |
Dom Vitarella (Dom)
Junior Member
Username: Dom
Post Number: 205
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 5:40 pm: | |
Robert,
Couldn't agree with you more. I love the GT4, and yours looks great!!
Dom
President, Official Ferrari 308 GT4 Fan Club  |
Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Junior Member
Username: Robertgarven
Post Number: 145
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 5:19 pm: | |
Dear fellow enthusiats,
I would like to make a couple of points, first some of the most successfull Ferrari race cars of all time including now have not been 12 cylinders.
Second I have just come back off a 500 mile trip with 30 other Ferrari's in my Dino 308 gt4 on twisty windy roads and have got to tell you my car not only kept up with but passed several 348's, 355 and 360's during some spirited driving.
http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/167223/212772.html?1054646814
Having done all the work on my car since ownership I have spent enough time and money to know the truth, that a Ferrari is a Ferrari is a Ferrari, some are faster some handle better than others , some are prettier but all are worthy of respect. I can see the same craftsmanship (and design elements) on my coolant overflow tank as on the 360 as if the son of the man that made mine made it
Having worked on my engine, rebuilt my suspension etc, etc etc, I can tell you the heart of any Ferrari is an engine and the parts on even the lowly gt4 were made along side the other 12's by the same skilled crasftsman. I challenge any of you to take a look at my profile and say the car is not a work of art.
Just a side note: The man I bought my car from had 275's, 2 consecutive serial # Lusso's, 365's etc. Every time I see him he tells me how much he misses the car and if I ever want to sell it.........
I love all Ferrari's could afford much newer models but I will gladly stay with the great handling, sounding, fast, carb gt4.
The gt4 is also one of the last cars Enzo personally took an active part in producing he even had a jig made up of the chassis so it could be moved in and out to set up the seating position, pedals etc. He loved his son Dino more than life itself and named the cars as a sign of respect and love.
Rob
Who worships Enzo Ferrari like a God! |
Bob Campen (Bob308gts)
Member
Username: Bob308gts
Post Number: 639
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 1:36 pm: | |
Frank
Saving up now for 3/4 carb have the 1/2 on the shelf, in 20 years I may have a complete car No matter what we call them, we are very lucky to own one
There is no F-in Dino |
Red GTS2 (Redgts2)
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Username: Redgts2
Post Number: 3
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 1:26 pm: | |
Frank, that Ferrari 512BBi is helluva a car, huh? I drove one about a month ago and fell in love with it. The only thing is that it wasn't for sale. |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member
Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 2382
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 1:21 pm: | |
Hot dog, new blood ! I agree with Redgts2. My first Italian car was a Dino 328GTS and I loved it. I have owned 6 Italian cars since including a 400GT, TR, 330GTC, 348 Spider, Fiat Spider and now own a BB512i. They have each had their own strengths and weakness. During this same time frame I have also owned a C4 Corvette, Porsche 993, Viper GTS, a BMW M3 and two BMW M5s which were all faster than any of my Italian cars. Yet, any one of the Italian cars were more fun to drive whether it be the FIAT, Dino or Ferrari |
Red GTS2 (Redgts2)
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Username: Redgts2
Post Number: 2
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 1:17 pm: | |
Rob, please accept my apologies for implying that all who don't own Ferraris aspire to own one. My POV comes from those who don't own one and discard the historical and present value that the 308s and 328s add to the Ferrari name and history. Sorry for the confusion. |
rob ferretti (Robiferretti)
Member
Username: Robiferretti
Post Number: 253
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 1:12 pm: | |
Red GTS2 why do you say that, its quite possible that me or others in this thread with out a ferrari 3x8 do not own one by choice... maybe cause the reliability, the performance or the lack of looks...those are all aspects of a car that must appeal to one in order for them to purchase it. You make it sounds like everyone aspires to own a 3x8 and those that have yet to reach that point are jealous in someway, (sort of like honda owners calling exotic owners dumb for spending $XXX,XXX for a car that they can beat in the 1/4 mile (thats purely a case of the people who cant afford to be able to make the chioce financially hating those who can) |
Red GTS2 (Redgts2)
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Username: Redgts2
Post Number: 1
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 1:07 pm: | |
I laugh at the ignorance of those people who do not own Ferraris and negatively talk about and discard the value of the 308s and 328s. It just puts images in my head of good old boys sipping beer on their porch telling each other that they live in the best city in the US without ever traveling outside their city/town. I can't take them serious; I just laugh and pitty them.
Now, the Ferrari owners are a different story...for those who own a Ferrari or Ferraris, and negatively discard the historical and present value of the 308s and 328s, I find you dispacable and stupid. Shame on you -- you have no understanding of the Ferrari name and history; and, I wish you never had the means of purchasing your Ferrari(s) -- your value to the Ferrari community and club is worthless.
I have been fortunate to own my first brand new Ferrari 328 gts at twenty five years old. Now, at 38 years old, I still have my first Ferrari, in addition to a newer Ferrari.
As being an owner of a classic and of a newerer Ferrari, I must say that a Ferrari is a Ferrari --both have the mystic and legendary pedigree history that separates Ferrari from any other vehicle made in this world.
Fortunately, throughout my life, I've owned and still own, some exclusive vehicles, such as, but not limited to, Porsche 911 and 993 Cabriolets, Mercedes Benz: C and S series, Alfa Romeo Quadrofoligio Spyder, and Austin Healeys. I can say, without equivocation, nothing beats owning and driving a Ferrari.
As far as stunning style and public attention, I must say that my 328 turns more heads than my 550; both of which, are red with the Scuderia Ferrari shields on the wings.
As far as I am concerned, there are two drivers in this world: a driver who owns a Ferrari and a driver who does not.
For those who appreciate Ferrari and don't own one, I hope one day, you will experience the pride of ownership or at least experience driving one.
Enzo Ferrari, according to hearsay, from various Ferrari managers and executives in FNA, has openly stated that the 308/328 designs were his favorites. I have even heard, on hearsay, that the 328 was Enzo's favorite.
Without the Dino's, 308s, and 328s, you would not have the rest of the FCar/3-series line.
On a more general note, I appreciate all cars that reflect the love and pride of their owners --from an old Dodge Dart or CisiItalia to a 550 Barchetta or Enzo Ferrari.
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Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member
Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 2381
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 1:06 pm: | |
Bob, do you own the whole 308 or just the carb ? |
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