| Author | Message | ||
| Kuzi (Kzma)
Junior Member Username: Kzma Post Number: 207 Registered: 3-2003 |
STOP!!!Already! | ||
| The Don (Don_matteo)
Senior Member Username: Don_matteo Post Number: 5216 Registered: 8-2002 |
Oh...Why didn't you say that. Truce? | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2411 Registered: 9-2001 |
The Don, my post about your lack of being well versed in the English language was not referring to grammer, diction, ect.. It was referring to your obvious lack of the vocabulary to express youself without using profanity. IMHO profanity has no place in life including its use on FC. I wish Rob would monitor these type of posts and exclude such posters from FC. If you wish to post profanity, try a porn chat room somewhere. | ||
| The Don (Don_matteo)
Senior Member Username: Don_matteo Post Number: 5212 Registered: 8-2002 |
Let's see you can spell "independent" from your post. "two independant Ferrari repair shops as well as my owner's" You can't use proper sentence structure "TheDon, My aren't we well versed" My should be lower case. "Out of the 6 Ferraris/Dinos I have" 's Franky 's You can't spell degree's "The water temp stayed at around 100 degress or so. Is " Can't spell independent again or considering "mechanics(dealer and independant) today and they all indicate that neither my oil or water temps appear to be abnormal considing the 88 " I'd say your grasp of the English language sucks a$$clown | ||
| Kuzi (Kzma)
Junior Member Username: Kzma Post Number: 204 Registered: 3-2003 |
Wow, this sure got out of hand quick..........gentlemen please take it off the message boards and settle it elsewhere. | ||
| The Don (Don_matteo)
Senior Member Username: Don_matteo Post Number: 5211 Registered: 8-2002 |
you kiss your mama with that mouth? | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2409 Registered: 9-2001 |
TheDon, My aren't we well versed in the English language. Good luck to you in life, you'll need it. | ||
| The Don (Don_matteo)
Senior Member Username: Don_matteo Post Number: 5207 Registered: 8-2002 |
"but not only am I married, I'm heterosexual too, so no thanks" Your mom does not count you inbreed hill-billy. | ||
| The Don (Don_matteo)
Senior Member Username: Don_matteo Post Number: 5206 Registered: 8-2002 |
you should be dis-bared for being such a moron that does not only provide inaccurate information, but fails to provide it in a timely manner. | ||
| The Don (Don_matteo)
Senior Member Username: Don_matteo Post Number: 5205 Registered: 8-2002 |
You forgot to mention that you are a ••••••• too. Let's recap a$$clown. This is what you said to start. "I drove my Boxer yesterday and noted the oil temp got up to 115 degrees or so. The water temp stayed at around 100 degress or so. Is that what other Boxer owners out there note on their cars ?" You left this information out. " considing the 88 degree outside temp and the fact that I had the A/C on full blast while driving in stop and go traffic. " And this " I drained some coolant out last week and added water and WaterWetter and must have allowed some air in the system." If you had just posted this info you ••••••• idiot this would have ended in two posts you ••••••• ••••••• from Cumming, Ga I HOPE YOUR ••••••• DINO EXPLODES WITH YOU IN IT. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2407 Registered: 9-2001 |
TheDon, thanks for the offer but not only am I married, I'm heterosexual too, so no thanks. | ||
| The Don (Don_matteo)
Senior Member Username: Don_matteo Post Number: 5202 Registered: 8-2002 |
Thank you Jim, You will meet them in Monterey in Aug. M | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1594 Registered: 10-2002 |
Matt You and your family are welcome at my humble abode anytime. Best | ||
| The Don (Don_matteo)
Senior Member Username: Don_matteo Post Number: 5201 Registered: 8-2002 |
"But, I drained some coolant out last week and added water and WaterWetter and must have allowed some air in the system." Again, more information that was useful that you failed to provide. And as for bringing my family into this..... •••• YOU. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2406 Registered: 9-2001 |
TheDon, FOA did bleed the system. But, I drained some coolant out last week and added water and WaterWetter and must have allowed some air in the system. And, according to FOA, TRutlands, two independant Ferrari repair shops as well as my owner's manual and service manual and the manual on www.ownersferrari.com the temp ranges I posted below are correct. I doubt they are all wrong ! And no, I am not a public defender . However, I see that your communication skills are lacking based on your poor language skills. Please seek help for that for the sake of both you and your family. Good luck to you on that. | ||
| The Don (Don_matteo)
Senior Member Username: Don_matteo Post Number: 5197 Registered: 8-2002 |
Drew, I had a 82 512bbi Frank, Your continued stupidity amazes me still. Maybe FOA should have bled your system after they screwed up on your coolant hose. And has we all know, the information in the OM is always correct and accurate. For an attorney you really are a moron. You must be a public defender. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2405 Registered: 9-2001 |
TheDon, I still discount, disagree and think FOD is full of crap about its claim that the water temp on a Boxer should fall between 70c-85c. If that were the case the thermostat would never open. My car's owners manual and the official Ferrari service manual both concur that 90c is the normal water temp and that 100c is the normal water temp. And whoever brings Jesus into a post about cars is the moron. | ||
| Drew Altemara (Drewa)
Junior Member Username: Drewa Post Number: 157 Registered: 2-2002 |
Frank, the temp ranges you reported are just about exactly where my BB512 runs on a 90F day. Matt, the ranges you are talking about with FOD are they for a 308 or Boxer? I may be mistaken, but I thought you had a 308. Drew | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Senior Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 5196 Registered: 8-2002 |
"My notes are from Ferrari of Denver when my car was with the P.O. they stated that the water range should be 70-85c and the oil temp should be 90c - 105c Low values are when the car is on the highway doing moderate speeds and the high values when racing and slow traffic. " THAT IS WHAT I SAID YESTERDAY. Jesus you are a moron. You were so quick to discount Ferrari of Denver. At least post this in the tech section and not the general discussion. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2404 Registered: 9-2001 |
I bleed the cooling system yesterday and took her out for a drive. On the highway the water temp stayed between 85c and 90c and the oil temp stayed between 95c and 100c. In stop and go driving the water temp went up to about 95c or so and the oil temp went up to 105c or so. I had the a/c on the entire time as it was almost 90f outside at the time. I looked at the manual again and the max water temp is listed at 115c and the max oil temp is listed at 130c. So everything looks OK. | ||
| Doug meredith (Dougm)
Member Username: Dougm Post Number: 321 Registered: 2-2001 |
Once fully warm and running hard, my Boxer is 90 water and 100 oil. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 588 Registered: 4-2002 |
These temps sound too high to me, but given that it was in stop and go traffic with the A/C running... and thus was at lower RPM's, its probably not to worry. I would not run the car hard at those temps though. My Daytona in stop and go traffic with the A/C on, the highest temps I have seen are tiny bit over 90C water and about 85C oil. It does have an external oil cooler though and uprated fans. I would also expect it to run cooler than a Boxer given the front engine. Your guages may very well be off. When running 911's on the track, all the guru's say if the oil temp ever reaches 250F, its time to pull in. Just too damn hot for running it hard. | ||
| Drew Altemara (Drewa)
Junior Member Username: Drewa Post Number: 156 Registered: 2-2002 |
Frank, I think you're a little on the high side but not that much. The Boxer definately runs hotter than any of the 308's I have owned. I think you're a little on the high side but not that much considering how hot it was in the South last weekend. The one thing I do, is bleed the cooling system about twice a year. I think it was JVR who recommended this as the water pump is fairly aggressive and its action can result in a little bit of air getting into the system. You may want to try it. Drew | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2397 Registered: 9-2001 |
The Don, Good grief, I was not refuting what others were saying I was just updating info I received from others after my first post. I made several calls to mechanics on the subject this morning and am slowly receiving return calls with their $0.02. Why would you wish bad things to happen to others, ie me, such as a blown head gasket ? Did we wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 565 Registered: 2-2002 |
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| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Senior Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 5191 Registered: 8-2002 |
DO YOU READ WHAT IS POSTED? "Low values are when the car is on the highway doing moderate speeds and the high values when racing and slow traffic. " IF YOU ARE GOING TO ASK FOR HELP, EITHER POST ALL THE FACTS OR DO NOT POST AT ALL. YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID YOU WERE DRIVING AROUND IN TRAFFIC WITH THE AIR ON HIGH. THAT WOULD HAVE ENDED YOUR MINDLESS DRIBBLE ON THE 2nd POST | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Senior Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 5190 Registered: 8-2002 |
Frank, Based on your long-winded ranting about what the manual and other tech's say, WHY ARE YOU WASTING TIME POSTING IF YOU ARE GOING TO REFUTE EVERYTHING EVERYONE IS SAYING? I HOPE YOU BLOW A ****ING HEAD GASKET AND YOUR ****ING DINO EXPLODES. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2396 Registered: 9-2001 |
My BB512i manual indicates that the thermostat does not even open until 90 degrees! I have spoken with several Ferrari mechanics(dealer and independant) today and they all indicate that neither my oil or water temps appear to be abnormal considing the 88 degree outside temp and the fact that I had the A/C on full blast while driving in stop and go traffic. They also indicate that the gauges on the Boxers are known for being inaccurate. But, out of an abundance of precaution I plan to drop it by FOA tomorrow morning . I will post what if anything is found. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Senior Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 5189 Registered: 8-2002 |
"70-85c and the oil temp should be 90c - 105c" "My 308 runs 210f oil and 180f water. " I took out my calculator and guess what. Both cars ran the same temp. Both during the long hot so cal summers. same temps on 100 - 110 degree days. I am sure that is somewhat close to the temp in Atlanta. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Senior Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 5188 Registered: 8-2002 |
My 308 runs 210f oil and 180f water. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Senior Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 5187 Registered: 8-2002 |
Frank, It ran the same temps in the So Cal summer in 100 degree days. Something is wrong. M | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2395 Registered: 9-2001 |
The Don, maybe in Denver but not in Atlanta. Out of the 6 Ferraris/Dinos I have owned I have yet to have one that ran that low of an oil or water temp in the summer. | ||
| jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
Member Username: Atheyg Post Number: 276 Registered: 8-2002 |
115' is about 239-240F'=too hot, oil begins to break down at 250', oil temp senders are usually correct, something is wrong | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Senior Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 5186 Registered: 8-2002 |
My notes are from Ferrari of Denver when my car was with the P.O. they stated that the water range should be 70-85c and the oil temp should be 90c - 105c Low values are when the car is on the highway doing moderate speeds and the high values when racing and slow traffic. My car ran in this range. it was an 82 | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2393 Registered: 9-2001 |
The Don, what kind of notes ? The owners manual that came with my car gave the temp ranges I posted below . | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Senior Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 5184 Registered: 8-2002 |
Frank, I just checked my notes your water temp should not be above 85c Also 115 for oil is VERY VERY high. it should not be above 105c and that is running very hard. Get it checked out soon Matt | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 938 Registered: 5-2001 |
Frank, if you noticed the oil temp suddenly reading higher than it used to, it may be a failing sender. My previous 308 did this, a new Veglia sender ($15 from T.Rutland's) fixed it right up. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Senior Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 5179 Registered: 8-2002 |
I think the water is too high. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1578 Registered: 10-2002 |
130c water? I still think that is too hot and 100c water is too hot for normal running. Matt do you think this range is ok? JRV? | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Senior Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 5178 Registered: 8-2002 |
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| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2390 Registered: 9-2001 |
Those temps are in Celsius. The manual list the oil temp range from 100 to 135 and the water temp range from 95 to 130. So my temps are within range but the oil temp appears a little hotter than I recall last time I drove her. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1577 Registered: 10-2002 |
F way too cold. C too hot. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2389 Registered: 9-2001 |
I drove my Boxer yesterday and noted the oil temp got up to 115 degrees or so. The water temp stayed at around 100 degress or so. Is that what other Boxer owners out there note on their cars ? |