| Author | Message | ||
| Dr. J C928 (Attitude928)
Junior Member Username: Attitude928 Post Number: 60 Registered: 11-2002 |
US spec version (320 hp) seems heavy (3825 lbs) & slow (0-100mph in 19.2 sec). A 246GT Dino is faster to 100 (17.4 sec). The Euro spec 365GTC/4 (340 hp) is faster (16.7 sec). | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 599 Registered: 11-2002 |
Mike, While I agree with you regarding lineage the 365 GT/C and 365 GT/4 2+2's have the same front suspension as the Daytona and the same engine block ... which ofcourse is just parts sharing. Just thought I would mention that even though not really relevant. In conclusion the 365 GT/C and GT/4 2+2 have much simplier running gear than the Daytona, with a simple gearbox instead of the transaxle, etc. I wonder why they sound better???, smaller pipes? Even though the carbs feed between the cams on the GT/C and 2+2 are the valve angles the same as the Daytona head?. I do know that they run softer cams which may affect the sound, I guess? Anyway just rambling ... while a query runs at work. Pete | ||
| Mike Dawson (Miked)
Junior Member Username: Miked Post Number: 107 Registered: 2-2001 |
It seems that we are getting the various "365" models confused here. "365" is just an engine displacement label that was common to several models which could be quite different. I would not consider the 365GTC/4 as a close relative to the "Daytona" (365GTB/S) but rather a continuation of the "2+2" series models. 365 GT 2+2, '68-'71, sohc, front trans, 2650mm (104") wb 365 GTC/4, '71-'72, dohc, front trans, 2500mm (98") wb 365 GT4 2+2, '72-'76, dohc, front trans, 2700mm (106") wb 400/400I/412, '76-'89, a continuation of the 365 GT4 2+2 all of these came with a "self-leveling" independent rear suspension to adjust for the weight of rear seat passengers. The "Daytona" has a different lineage following the 275 GTB/S and 330(365) GTB/S utilizing a front engine/rear transaxle on a short (2400mm) wb. The 365 GT4/BB ("Boxer") was an entirely new design (mid engine, flat 12 cyl.) that evolved into the 512BB, 512BBI, Testarossa, 512TR and 512M. The 365 GT4/BB had 6 tail pipes as a styling feature. The 365 GTC/4 has what is widely considered the best street Ferrari exhaust sound. The 365 GT4 2+2, 400/412 series cars, being virtually identical under the skin, share that wonderful feature. Just yesterday I heard a 400I and it sounded fabulous! | ||
| Don Vollum (Donv)
Junior Member Username: Donv Post Number: 114 Registered: 1-2002 |
I think C/4s are neat cars. I would avoid ones which are less than great, as they are expensive to fix up and difficult to sell (when you go to sell it) under the best of circumstances. I have been looking for one off and on for the last couple of years, but haven't found one that's just right. | ||
| Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Member Username: 86mondial32 Post Number: 301 Registered: 5-2003 |
I have always wanted one of the older 12's and this seems like a good choice. Both of my previous Ferrari purchases were 8's and I enjoyed them. I was alwaysa afraid that I would end up with a quad light 330 instead of a Daytona or Boxer. This has the price I can deal with and only a few issues I can see so far. | ||
| Russ Turner (Snj5)
Member Username: Snj5 Post Number: 272 Registered: 2-2003 |
The 365 GTBB4 is the only production car I know of with the original 6 exhausts as whart said, but there may be another that I don't know. The 365 GT/4 2+2 has almost exactly the same installation as far as I can tell, and the only one I've heard did sound terrific as well. I have always read that the GTC/4 was pretty much acknowledged as the best sounding street Ferrari, but dang, they all of them sound great to me. Back to the maint. issues with the GTC/4, there is not that much terribly comlicated about it (don't have to drop the engine to change the belts  ), there are just a lot of things to do in removing the carbs, then re-synchronizing. If you like setting up Webers, this is the perfect car.... The distributors look a bit of a pain as they sit underneath the windshield, and I remember reading from Bishop's book that they are a bit difficult to time the cams exactly perfect, but someone else who knows better can chip in. FWIW, if I ever get a 12 cylinder, it likely will be a 365 GTC/4 or 512BB. hth best Russ | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1345 Registered: 12-2001 |
The first boxer, 365 gtb4. | ||
| Dr. J C928 (Attitude928)
Junior Member Username: Attitude928 Post Number: 59 Registered: 11-2002 |
The 365 GTC/4 engine seems to be the same one as the unloved 365GT4 2+2. Does the latter car's engine sound so good? | ||
| thomas daniels (Castex)
New member Username: Castex Post Number: 18 Registered: 6-2003 |
Lovely, lovely, lovely. And, correct me if I'm wrong but this is one of only two cars ever to have six (6!) exhaust pipes as standard. The other...? | ||
| DGS (Dgs)
Junior Member Username: Dgs Post Number: 112 Registered: 5-2003 |
I got interested in the 365 series a while back. From the stuff I got off the old Ferrari site, the Daytona also has two coils and a twin plug arrangement. The later Daytonas also went from an 8.8 to a 9.3 compression ratio. According to the numbers on the site, 470 GT4 2+2s were produced, 500 GTC/4s, 50 GTS/4s, and 1300 GTB/4 Daytonas were produced. (And only 14 365 California Spiders.) | ||
| Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Member Username: 86mondial32 Post Number: 297 Registered: 5-2003 |
Suddenly I can see why the prices are not that over the top. | ||
| Russ Turner (Snj5)
Member Username: Snj5 Post Number: 269 Registered: 2-2003 |
Drivetrain is very different. The Daytona has a transaxle, while the gtc/4 transmission connects to the engine. Mechanically, the gtc/4 is nearer the 365gt/4 2+2 | ||
| Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Member Username: 86mondial32 Post Number: 296 Registered: 5-2003 |
I was told that the drivetrain was "daytona" except for the carbs being sidedraft Vs downdraft. IS all the rest the same..? | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1343 Registered: 12-2001 |
And 4 seats. And that they were more expensive when new, and did not capture the imagination at the time in the same way as the Daytona, and there was no "legend" built around them, as there with the Daytona. Beautiful, even more so today; black disguises the baby bumpers. I think service tends toward the astronomical, but, hey, its got the nicest engine sound of any production ferrari. I find the fat console a little too much, but its there for a reason. Otherwise, cool car. | ||
| Russ Turner (Snj5)
Member Username: Snj5 Post Number: 268 Registered: 2-2003 |
For folks considering the GTC/4: Not near as fast as a Daytona, but more practical. You will find valve adjustments a bit involved, as all six Webers must come off. All my books are packed up for the move, but I also think it has that funky self levelling suspension in the rear. There is a great Winston Goodfellow buyer's guide in Forza a couple of years ago referring to the GTC/4 as the 456 of the 70's. | ||
| mike 308 (Concorde)
Junior Member Username: Concorde Post Number: 244 Registered: 8-2002 |
The issue is body style... not typically Ferrari sleek. | ||
| Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Member Username: 86mondial32 Post Number: 282 Registered: 5-2003 |
I have a shot at a 365GTC/4. The drivetrain seems prety much as the Daytona except for the induction system. The values seem low on these cars and the condition is okay. I would have PPI either way but wondered why they are not as popular? |