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Greg Gray (Greg_gray)
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Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 6:20 am:   

Hi to all, this is my first posting, I joined this list after viewing other Ferrari forums and found them somewhat lacking. The car I'm interested in is the 308 GT4. Like my Porsche I believe it has a great foundation to work with and can benefit from current day technology.

My first question is can the 360 wheels fit on the GT4? If so what mods are required? Are they the same mods that are required as per the 308 gts/b? Also are there any big brake upgrades?

I plan on buying a reasonable car and doing all the work myself. The links below show my last project. Cheers for now.
http://www.momentoffame.com/snapshot.html?id=19141

http://www.momentoffame.com/snapshot.html?id=18813
Thomas I (Wax)
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 2:36 am:   

Steve - Manył thanks for the quick, thorough reply.

David - this is your thread about your car, and as your username proves, Worth it. Excellent, inside and out.

I noted you've not had time to truly judge handling characterisitcs with the new setup and like others, I'm sure, would like to know if this improves handling at the higher speeds that the 348 is alleged to be problematic. So, if you could ignore those nay-sayers, and do us all the favor of driving the car as fast as humanly possible without harming yourself, bystanders, the car or otherwise maiming any insects or critters, we'd like a report on our desks by Monday of next week.
Steve Magnusson (91tr)
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Post Number: 1967
Registered: 1-2001
Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 8:39 pm:   

Thomas -- I've got to agree that Paul Sloan's 308 QV looks sharp/modern -- I think it's a painted-roof GTS too. (And just for the record I like that 348 either way).
With regard to the hardware required, you can use the "spacer + longer lugbolts" solution as long as the required spacer doesn't get more than something like 20~25 mm thick, but if you need more (like putting a +50~+60mm offset wheel on a +11mm offset 308 chassis) then you really need an "adapter" which bolts to the hub and then the wheel bolts to the adapter. Both types are shown in this post from Paul Hill (Hill Engineering):

http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/251280/255346.html

(Paul Hill you need to add a shot of the type II mounting adapter to your website!)
Thomas Iles (Wax)
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 8:09 pm:   

Friday, July 18, 2003 - 6:42 pm:
Steve Magnusson wrote:
It's Paul Sloan with the 360 shod 308:

Paul Sloan (see the link on the aforementioned post/time)
_______

After lurking around FerrariChat for quite some time, *that* picture *forced* me to join FC. (I'm already on 3 other Ferrari boards)

That's a 308 on Fast-Forward into the 21st Century, courtesy some updated wheels. Beautiful proof that a Ferrari ages well, like a great wine.

Q: What "fair bit of hardware mods to put the large '+' offset later wheels" are there to be made?
David C. (Worth_it)
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Username: Worth_it

Post Number: 161
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 3:05 pm:   

Augustine,

Peronsally I like the feel. I prefer a firmer feel under my feet and the pedals from Hill engineering are great. Installation was easy. He supplies all the pieces with self tapping screws. This is handy when working in the foot well. (You can find him in the sponsors section of F-chat) Right now I am waiting on delivery of Hill's new passenger side foot rest. I know this will be an improvement over the factory rubber mat.

Byron -

I believe the 360CH wheel has the same dimensions as the standard wheel. However I am not 100% on this. If you do buy them don't forget about the wheel bolts. The later 348's have the longer bolts in the rear. See my earlier post on this thread on a great place to buy new bolts if needed.
Byron (Bmyth)
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Post Number: 975
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 1:53 pm:   

David, great additions. The wheels complement the spider nicely - just wondering if it would look that good on a tb or not.

When you were checking on these, did you happen to do any research to see if the 360CH BBS wheels will fit on a 348? I was looking at possibly getting a set of those...

Btw, nice pedals... Paul makes great stuff, for sure!
Augustine J. Staino (Azzuro328)
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Post Number: 125
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 1:45 pm:   

David,
I think the mods look great! I am considering doing the drilled pedals on my car. I imagine it would improve pedal feel as well as the looks. How do yours feel?
David C. (Worth_it)
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Username: Worth_it

Post Number: 160
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 1:17 pm:   

Put the wheels in a safe place for storage. I will have to check and let you know. Check back in a few days.

Steve Magnusson (91tr)
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Post Number: 1964
Registered: 1-2001
Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 6:42 pm:   

It's Paul Sloan with the 360 shod 308:

Paul Sloan

but it takes a fair bit of hardware mods to put the large "+" offset later wheels (348, 355, 360) on a 308 or a non-abs 328.

Dave C. -- Are the offsets marked on your stock 348 Spider wheels? (Or can you measure them?)
Paul Hill (348paul)
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Post Number: 324
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 5:48 pm:   

Omar

There is a member on here with a beautiful silver 308 with 360 rims on. Their name escapes me at the moment. (Help - Anyone!!)

Paul
Omar (Auraraptor)
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Post Number: 757
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 12:21 am:   

360 rims fit on a 328? Really?

If so, I'm all ears!
Gregori Martucci (Gam4)
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 6:22 pm:   

I have set of 360 rims for sale if anyone else would like this look for thier 348/328/308. Excellant condition. $1500
todd montandon (Sllade)
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Post Number: 114
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 5:15 pm:   

dave if you paint the rotors keep me posted i think i would like to do it also i think the red rotors look really sweet but the paint type might be tricky, with the haest and all you think? Todd
Clax (Clax)
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Post Number: 78
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 9:29 am:   

I really like the change. The smaller rotors look fine, as well. I think the car looks really nice.
Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
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Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 8:48 am:   

I totally agree with Paul...the 360 Wheels rock.

The old wheels kind of give the car a bit of a kit car look.

Nice work
Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
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Post Number: 456
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 7:54 am:   

the 360 wheels have my vote also.
J R K (Kenyon)
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Post Number: 518
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 7:29 am:   

The 348 steering wheel is momo.
Just by a new wheel from momo.
Thats what I did. I have momo corsa on mine.
300 mm...
David C. (Worth_it)
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Username: Worth_it

Post Number: 158
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 7:21 am:   

Dr. Shelbee,

Another good suggestion but I believe the 355 wheel has an air bag and the 348 was the last wheel witout the air bag.

Probably not worth the trouble or expense.
Kuzi (Kzma)
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Post Number: 269
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 10:33 pm:   

Personally I think it brings the auto up to date. Looks good.
Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
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Post Number: 417
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 10:28 pm:   

How about changing the steering wheel to 355's??

I think it will look really nice and you can keep the car for a little bit longer
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 8:55 pm:   

I like it.
David C. (Worth_it)
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Username: Worth_it

Post Number: 156
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 8:42 pm:   

Thanks for all the opinions, I respect all, good and bad.

Like some said, I will keep the originals in a safe place as I respect the "purist" side. The car can be returned to stock easily. My changes are easily reversible.

I have already said that I will NOT change the rotors but Dr. Shelbee's idea of painting the rotors may get some consideration. Thanks.

The pedals are all from Hill Engineering ( F-chat sponsor ) and I am waiting for delivery of his passenger side pedal.

To answer Paul's question -

"Did you use the 348 wheel bolts for these? (55mm under the head).

I had to purchase new bolts for the rear only. The original ones on the later 348's are to long for the 360 wheel. I purchased them from ECS tuning. Found them on a thread here. Quality is a great and they were only $4.95 each as compared to around $40.00 each from the dealer. I used a 60mm bolt (HR141560FER) but they do sell the 55mm.

http://www.ecstuning.com/HR/appguides/app_search.cgi?make=Ferrari&qt=studbolt&model=348+GTB%2FS&submit=Search%21&thread=Choose+Thread

All comments are appreciated. I will post any performance differences after I have a chance to drive some more miles.
Chris Horner (Cmhorner17)
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Post Number: 205
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 6:10 pm:   

IMHO looks SWEET! Both the rims and the pedals. Excellent choices.
Dr. Erik Nielsen (Judge4re)
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Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 5:24 pm:   

Thomas:

The expression translates to roughly:

You can all go f--- yourselves!

Its a favorite expression in our office in Rome. :-)
Robert McNair (Rrm)
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Post Number: 533
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 5:18 pm:   

I think the 360 wheels look good but I also like the originals. It would be a good idea to keep the originals in case you decide to sell the car.
Patman36 (Patrickr)
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Post Number: 166
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 5:08 pm:   

David, looks wonderful. I was never a fan of the 348 wheels. 355 wheels on the 348's look great but this is the first time I have seen 360's on the 348. :-)

Patrick
Paul Hill (348paul)
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Post Number: 320
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 4:22 pm:   

David,

First time I have seen a 348 with the 360 wheels on. They do suit the car very nicely!

Keep us posted on any differences in handling etc. over the stock rims.

Did you use the 348 wheel bolts for these? (55mm under the head).

Paul
thomas daniels (Castex)
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Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 3:11 pm:   

I prefer an original Ferrari to one that wears more recent bits. There might be an excuse in the case of a weak mechanical component, but here it's incongruous, and IMHO slightly pretentious in a way that wheels bought elsewhere would not be.
Still, what a lovely car:-)

Oh, and Dr. Neilsen I think it would be: Andate tutti a fancullo. The 'va' means 'you go'.
David R. (Rodsky)
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Post Number: 119
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 2:38 pm:   

I think they look great - makes the car look a tad more aggrressive. They certainly look as though they could have been made for the car. The pedals and the interior look great - have fun with it.
Mike Procopio (Pupz308)
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Post Number: 441
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 2:10 pm:   

Definitely a more updated look. IMO these new wheels are to your 348 what 16" rims are to a stock 308 with 14" or 15" rims. One is more classic, the other more modern.


Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
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Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 2:05 pm:   

I like the 360 wheels on 348. They don't look too modern for 10 year old F-car at all.

Perhaps you can paint the brake caliper red, they will stand out even better

Good job on the gas/brake/clutch pedestal
Dr. Ken Lee (Kenster888)
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Post Number: 141
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 12:58 pm:   

The 360 wheels makes the 348 appear more aggressive. I like it!

But somehow I like the 355 wheels better. Personally I would use an aftermarket (rather than a Ferrari) wheel for a more personalized look. But that's just me :-)
Darryl - TR&328 (Tr328)
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Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 11:46 am:   

looks great! Makes your car look more sporty and updated. Keep your original rims if you think you may sell your car and move up to a 12cyl. or something else. Some buyer are particular about keeping the car original.
stu cordova (Balataboy)
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Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 10:57 am:   

I think both of your changes make an amazing difference! It's a dramtic change for the better, in my view.
Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
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Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 8:42 am:   

I think they look great. They fill in the fenders nicely. The shifter and the pedals are a great compliment to the interior...

Great job!
dave handa (Davehanda)
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Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 4:26 am:   

I second Ben's comments. The wheels and pedals look great, and in fact the whole car looks awesome. My "but" is that to my "eye" the 355 wheel or the similar aftermarket Speedline version, look even better...
Ben Cannon (Artherd)
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Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 3:28 am:   

I kinda dig it. Don't love it as much as I do 355 wheels on a 348, but still looks pretty good!

Has a unique, almost delicate and sweet modern look.

Probally look even better in person (closer shot, maybe 3/4 front and rear view) too.

The stock 348 wheels definately have to go, they are SO 80s! (ok, so are the 348's slats, but Konig makes a body kit, and in monochrome they're kinda cool looking.)



Pedals look wonderful.
David C. (Worth_it)
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Post Number: 154
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 10:18 pm:   

Thanks for the comments -in reply

DrS - As my father taught me, everything is negotiable , might cost you more than lunch next time you pass through town. ha-ha

Russ - They are factory stock 360 rubber - Michelin Pilot. I do not notice anything in the way of a harsher ride but the extra width seems to have a little more stick when pushed. The 348 has always impressed me with its cornering abilities so maybe I am just thinking it is a slight improvement to help me with justifying the expense.

Maybe more thoughts after I drive on them for a while.

Russ Turner (Snj5)
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Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 8:00 pm:   

Wheels look very good, and lighten up what I always thought was a little clunkiness in the original. It looks a bit more nimble and light.

Out of curiosity - what tires are you using and how would you describe the change in ride/response/grip if any noticable?

Really nice car!
Jeff B. (Miltonian)
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Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 7:55 pm:   

Personally, to me, the 360 wheels look "generic", like they could be on any car. The 348 wheels look unique to Ferrari.

I like the pedals.

Very pretty Spider, David.
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 7:40 pm:   

Not sure...

I think I would need to see them on MY car.

DrS
rob guess (Beast)
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Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 4:59 pm:   

Looks great!!!
Frederick Thomas (Fred)
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Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 4:58 pm:   

Dave I don't think you can go wrong either way. Its a great looking car but I definatly like the car with the 360 wheels. It looks sharp.
David C. (Worth_it)
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Post Number: 153
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 4:34 pm:   

Thanks for the comments - good and bad appreciated.

I agree with Erik about the rotors but I think this is because we are used to the huge pieces we see on the newer makes. No rotor upgrades in my future. These will do.

As for the stock wheels, Greg, I plan on keeping them so I can return the car to stock for the next buyer. Assuming this is what they want.

Any others, what do you think ?? Did I make a mistake ??
Jack (Gilles27)
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Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 3:11 pm:   

Definitely like the change. I always thought the stock wheels had a dated look to them. Good choice.
Greg (Teflon)
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Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 2:47 pm:   

David,
I like it. What are you planning on doing w/the stock wheels?

Greg
Aaron Williams (Aawil)
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Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 2:41 pm:   

Surpisingly I think they look pretty good on there. I don't care much for the stock 348 wheels either.
Dr. Erik Nielsen (Judge4re)
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Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 2:36 pm:   

I like the stock wheels. Rotors are too small for the open design of the the 360 rims.

But, its your car and if you're happy, who gives a damn what other people think, or as the Italians would say with less tact:

Andate tutti a vaffanculo!
Jason W (Pristines4)
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Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 2:20 pm:   

I think it looks great!
David C. (Worth_it)
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Post Number: 150
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 1:51 pm:   

I love my 348 Spider, however, I have never liked the factory wheels. I made the change to the 360 wheels in an effort to improve the looks.

Personally I like the results. Thought I would share some photos. I am keeping them on but I was curious as to your opinions.

Thanks To Dave @ Sodacoms for his assistance on the center caps
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