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Dean (Deanger)
Junior Member
Username: Deanger
Post Number: 75
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2003 - 8:00 am: | |
Martin,
I did the $1500 service on my 575. I was going to try and pick my way through this and then save some money, but was too busy so just bit the bullet. |
James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member
Username: Napolis
Post Number: 2696
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2003 - 7:49 am: | |
Martin
That's the puzzlement. I've found it very hard to tell what's really neccessary. I mean if a turbo P car have 100K engine service interval are F cars really that service dependant? I've always folowed the book esp. as not doing so may void warrantee and I did have a 40K+ warrantee claim when by TR cam belts broke and destroyed the engine. It's a puzzlement... |
martin j weiner,M.D. (Mw575)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mw575
Post Number: 1226
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 8:53 pm: | |
Doody,
I'll pull the manual tomorrow.Yes I'm confused but don't think the service mgr is !!He specifically said 11.2 hrs for the service and just getting to the cam belts and checking them requres 6 hrs of the 11.2.
James-the s mgr off the record gave me the option of not doing the cam belt inspection however wouldn't that jeopardize the warranty if the belt went causing big time damage?
I'll do some calling around and wait to hear from Kuzi. |
James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member
Username: Napolis
Post Number: 2694
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 8:36 pm: | |
Martin
There are two issuses. How long it takes to do that list and if that list is indeed required every 5000 miles. I bet it would take that much time to really do all of that including cam belt tensioners and I think their rate is about what factory stores charge per hour. For comparsion my wife's turbo Cayanne has a smaller list than that one and it's only required at 20K miles. There's no engine service for 100K miles! It seems that F cars are looking at much more service than P cars. Maybe their design requires it. In these days of a lot of exotic choices I'd perfer them to be more like P. |
Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member
Username: Doody
Post Number: 1854
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 7:26 pm: | |
uh-oh, dude. i think you may have fallen into a RTFM hole on this one!
none of this was making sense to me, so i just downloaded the 2003 575M manual off the owners site to compare it to my 1999 550's manual.
the only thing that gets replaced in the 5K service is the engine oil and oil filter. the rest of the game is just some inspections.
what you've listed below is the 15K service, which includes many of the other fluids, etc.
pages 6.5 through 6.10 of your owner's manual. i pulled the 2003 version, but it looks like the 2002 listing is identical (wasn't really careful comparing them) - it wasn't entirely clear what the production cut-off was between the two mauals.
give it a look-see. i think your dealer is confused and is confusing you.
doody. |
martin j weiner,M.D. (Mw575)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mw575
Post Number: 1225
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 5:39 pm: | |
It certainly seems excessive to me.The service mgr at Tonkin who is a straight shooter told me that after he saw the hours suggested by FNA he "called around" to other F dealerships and that is what they are charging!
Will you guys with 575's check please? I'll E mail Kuzi.
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Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bobafett
Post Number: 1476
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 2:26 pm: | |
By comparison, Martin, my *whole* major, including the other silly stuff like replacing the water pumps, new parking brakes, etc. was 26 hours. Half of that just to check things over and replace some fluids? I think not.
--Dan |
Ernie (Ernie)
Member
Username: Ernie
Post Number: 827
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 2:19 pm: | |
Ok don't get me started again. Sounds like these guys are charging you to do an old service station check. I used to work at a full service gas station and we would go through all the fluids when we would pop the hood. These guys are trying to rip you off. |
martin j weiner,M.D. (Mw575)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mw575
Post Number: 1224
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 11:39 am: | |
here is the list of procedures for the 5k
insp and adj alternator,cli control and water pump/powr steeringpump drive belts
oil/filter change
insp and adj timing belts
insp cooling syst hoses
insp idling spd
insp fuel inj system
insp ignition system
insp air inj system
insp fuel vapor emission control system
repl diff oil
insp f1 gearbox oil level
repl gearbx diff oil
insp brk/clutch power string fluid level
insp all brk system
ins susp jts
insp steering system
insp exhaust syst and tighten screws
ins batt
ins climate control
insp and replace clim cont air inlet filter
ins seat belts
inshinges door ,trunk etc
insp headlight aiming
insp air bags
insp leather int
rd test if nec
Nauseating? No? |
Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member
Username: Maranelloman
Post Number: 2929
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 7:31 am: | |
There was no cam belt tension check on my 550's 5,000 mile service---just fluid replacements. And it didn't take 11.2 hours of labor! |
Bart Duesler (The_bart)
Member
Username: The_bart
Post Number: 368
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 12:38 am: | |
I pay $300 for an oil change. If he touches anything else, YIPES!
I was told to think of my toy as an airplane. I have to do a great deal of preventive maintenance so I do not stall. I am over 40,000 miles on my 550.
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Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bobafett
Post Number: 1463
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 4:14 pm: | |
Doody,
No. Surgery comes for the 30k, in which case they send the owner for a brain transplant. Now where's my damn banana?
--Dan |
Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member
Username: Doody
Post Number: 1842
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 4:02 pm: | |
that sounds "neat" :-).
does the manual stipulate something serious in the 5K service that we don't know about (like, a lung transplant for the receptionist or something like that)?
doody. |
Ali Haas (Aehaas)
Junior Member
Username: Aehaas
Post Number: 126
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 3:57 pm: | |
Who told you this? I do my own service and just about anybody can get to them in 15 minutes once the car is up. One can change the accessory belts in an hour or so.
I can change the oil, including empying all the oil lines in an hour or less, add another 30 minutes to change the transaxle oil.
aehaas |
Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bobafett
Post Number: 1459
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 3:46 pm: | |
Martin,
definetly seems high. 6 hours to check them? What did they tell you they're oding for the other 5.2 hours? Fluids + filter can't possibly take that long.
--Dan |
martin j weiner,M.D. (Mw575)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mw575
Post Number: 1223
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 3:27 pm: | |
I've been told it requires 11.2 hrs plus oil and filter.The explanation is that 6 hrs of the service is to check the cam belt tensioners.Total about$1500! Seems a rip off to me. What think you? |