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| jim galli (Galli)
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Anyone that pays more than 40k for any 328 is nuts its just not that great of a car. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
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William, if you want a viper, check out http://vca1.viperclub.org/classifieds/ | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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My next new car will be a Corvette Convertible. Wasn't that the topic? | ||
| Doug Meredith (Doug308)
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To william's ? It is a regular Pantera, but it has a steel GT-5 upgrade done by Hall Pantera in LA. Original GT-5s were '74-'76 euro models that were left over at the plant after Ford dumped them. DeTomaso decided to finish them with some enhancements and sell them. | ||
| Doug Meredith (Doug308)
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I just picked this car up on Wed. in LA and drove 2300 miles home. Thus, I am not the Doug in question. Looking forward to some of the events, although Vegas will be without the car. I don't wish to do that drive again in such short time. It was an experience, but not one to be duplicated anytime soon. | ||
| chris cummings (Entelechy)
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Doug, I just rec'd this e-mail from my friend Michelle about having just sold their Pantera: John just sold the Panterra about two months ago. We were going to be home for a weekend between our trip to Hawaii and our Cruise to Mexico, so this Engineer from Harley Davidson flew in from Milwaukee to see it. He loved it and bought it on the spot! He had the Panterra specialists check it over while we chatted. He was a super nice guy! I think you saw John's Panterra once. It is a very rare one. There were only 6 made like it! It was really sad to see it go, but we rarely took it out. I had a harder time getting rid of it than John! I forget where you're from but for a moment reading the chain I thought you may have bought theirs! (she did say it was a super nice guy!) I'll see if I can get you a photo of it. I saw it back on Cast Away when John brought it by. It was cobalt blue and the entire engine was polished to the nines. It was absolutely stunning. He said the car had so much torque that he had to be careful when accelerating or the whole front end would lift up. He also took it out to Vegas once for a Pantera owners group. He sold it and is thinking about getting a Ferrari now - oh the irony. Best, ~Chris | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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I have a friend named Doug who has a Blue Pantera. Doug have u been to the Belle Macchine in Pocono Pa with your Panther ? They have a lot of them there every year. Yours is a GT5, correct ? They r very good looking cars, Tom Tjaarda, the Pantera designer gave a great speach at Belle macchine last year. I almost bought a GT5s but got my Countach instead | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
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Doug, very nice 72 Pantera.... I like the early ones with the small chrome bumbers vs. the 73 & 74s with the large black bumbers. My brother has a '74 L with 19,000 original miles. He's owned it for 25 years. It's up for sale but ready for a restoration. They are beasts. | ||
| Doug Meredith (Doug308)
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To Bret The 928 GT is the 2+2 that I picked up. I've had 2 before and they are great cars. I just missed haveing something impractical so I convinced the wife to let me have 2....for now. I just have to park my work car outside. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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Jake, think of this too. Keep your 328 buy another F a 348TS for $50K more and live even more happy. Fpr $110K you should find a 355 Spider BTW. GTB are $80 and GTS $90 but then you can negotiate. Look outside Cape Cod. If you are interested Howard or I can locate you a car for a better price for sure. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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Jake, that pricew you are giving sounds about right to me for a mint car that you are describing. 9.5 out of 10 is a great car and yes, for those you will find people that pay mid 50s. On the GTS I would still wait a little longer. To me a good 355 GTS price would be $80K for a 95 to 96. You should be able to find them. If the dealer has 6 in stock and he actually owns them he will call you soon to make a deal. His bank is probably on his ass already... :-)) | ||
| Allyn (Allyn)
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Nice Pantera! My neighbor had a black one that was never quite right; yours looks perfect! I'm a sucker for the classics. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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Cool Pantera Doug, wow, what a bad looking car. Is it a 2+2 like you were looking to get? | ||
| jake liddell (Enzoforza)
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KENNY AND MIAMI348TS I have a '89 328 gts 26k miles 30k is done. I'd say its about a 9.5 out of 10. It even had the original tires up until yesterday. Red/tan everything works fine and has all books + records. I'm guessing that this car is worth low to mid 50's. I can buy a 95-96 355 gtb for about 100k and a gts for 105-110k so there is what I am getting my numbers from. I have talked to a few dealers that have as many as 6 355's in stock and seem VERY eager to make a deal. I am on Cape Cod | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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I wonder what that says about the guy that is buying a 328 for $75,000...... | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
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Jim/Ron/Rob, recruit a couple of blue ones and we have one great pic for that calendar! C'mon Ron, take another look at that white one! | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
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Sorry Rob, we'll need you to join us to complete the line up of course. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
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Hey BobD and Ron, that car is my twin! Painted top and all! I went and looked at last week, it needs some love but is probably a good buy. Bob, if Ron bought it, we could park at lunch red/white/red/white. Wouldn't that make a nice picture? | ||
| Doug Meredith (Doug308)
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After selling the 308 a few months ago in favor of a 2+2(baby due in Feb), I have continued to miss having an impractical weekend warrior. Well, I just drove 2300 miles home this weekend in my new car. Not a F-car this time but still Italian. I picked up a beautiful '72 Pantera with a stroked 396" Cleveland and Haltech FI. Puts out just under 500 hp and torque at the flywheel. I have pictures at: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/ziggymeredith The car is a monster, but not a great long distance touring car. | ||
| Ron Dallas (328infoseeker)
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Bobd- Yes we talked for quite a while at the F1 party. What a car you have! awesome in every way! Just Funnin with you! Yes I know abut the car in Dallas. White/Tan 88 model. I called the guy a couple months ago and he was not available that day. White/Tan 2nd/3rd color choice for me. Thanks though. | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
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If all goes well my next car will be a 308GT4 | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
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Ron Dallas, I don't believe that 328 high pricing stuff but I sure do support it! :-) I think I met you at one of the F1 watching parties in Dallas earlier this summer (you may have emailed me the other day)? Your wait may be over... there's an "exel cond" 328 in the Dallas Morning News with 35K mi and they're asking $36K. You can probably pick it up for $32K.... this could be your dream car! | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
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I drive a Volvo S40 right now, and the lease is up next febuary so I think I'm gonna get something along the lines of the Acura Cl Type-S, or the Jaguar X-Type 3.0L | ||
| Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
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Frank, F40 vs 288 GTO. That is a tough one. They both have basically the same engine and turbos (although the F40 does have some slight improvements). The 288 GTO is an easier car to drive around town. Much better ground clearance. And you either love the body or are not smart enough to know the difference between a 288GTO and 328. The 288GTO was designed to be a homologated racer, whereas the F40 was the first anniversary car and the last car produced with Enzo at the healm. F40 has clear plastic engine compartment and a killer rear wing. 288GTO has the biggest rear view mirrors ever put on a car. It's the same old story, the best Ferrari is whichever one you like best. | ||
| TWA (Exoticars)
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detecting a bit of sarcasm here.........  | ||
| Ron Dallas (328infoseeker)
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Hey Exoticars you need some support here! I am here for you! Bobd is on the 89 328 owner team and believes that high pricing stuff. You are right on Exot! If this market continues it's pace for a couple more months I will be able to get my dream 328 w/ 30,000 miles for mid $30s. | ||
| Michael A. Niles (Man90tr)
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Stephen, I like your style. I notice in your profile picture that you are on your knees while the hooter girls are standing. Perfect...... | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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While I would love to have an F40, I still like the 288GT0 better. | ||
| Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
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i have two friends who bought F40's in the last two weeks (must be something in the water). Both of these cars have low mileage (3800 and 6000). One of these cars is getting it's major service done right now. Guess what, it is less than what I spent of my lass 355 belt change. (You don't have to drop the engine out of an F40). As for the engine rebuild at 25,000 miles I'm sure our mechanic would love the work. But it is hard to understand the logic behind such a move. It is not like an airplane engine where TBO (time between overhaul) is published for safety. Also, the belt service we all are used to on our Ferraris, is designed to keep the timing belt from breaking or slipping requiring an engine rebuild. What would be the purpose to rebuild an engine that was running well? What could it possible save? One last item. F40's are a bear to load on a trailer. Our club President spent several hours last week loading his new F40, because of the low ground clearance. Anyway, the F40 is a great Ferrari. I'm just glad I have two great friends to borrow them from. Right guys! Guys? Hello? | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Michael, I bet it cost more than that. A 355 at Ferrari of Atlanta is having an engine rebuild at $20,000. I'm sure an F40 would cost a lot more. | ||
| Michael A. Niles (Man90tr)
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Frank, I bet around 30 - 40 K. Probably similar to a turbocharged airplane engine. Actually the F40 engine probably gets more "cycle" use and abuse than an AC engine. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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A 365BB, or lately I've been straying away and thinking about a Lancia Rally 037 Stradale (Group B rally homologation special of the eighties. Cheaper than a Boxer, so I'd have to keep my GT4, just to keep a Ferrari in the stable). Back to reality, more likely a 365 GT4 2+2 or a 400. Not a 400i, I want carbs! | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Did you guys know that Ferrari calls for an F40 to have a complete engine rebuild every 25,000 miles. I wonder what that will cost ? | ||
| Ernesto Sgroi (T88power)
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A Ferrari F40 sounds good to me. I would love to start tinkering around with those turbos. Anyway, I would never bring it down to Puerto Rico (or another F-car for that matter). So, it would have to wait until I buy a house in Miami or NY. Ernesto | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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I'll never be Ferrari-less, but I would probably get a 355 ts in a few years trading in the 328 or probably a 308 race car or 348/355 C if keeping the 328. We'll see. | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
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I think my next car is a 512 Boxer. I must have one and soon. I got my 308 before I was 30 and I will have an F40 before I'm 40. Priorities man! My girlfriend is supportive of my habits, so why the hell not!? | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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I will get on the waiting list for the 360 successor whenever that's announced. Not quite sure if I should replace the current 360 or add a new spider version to keep the coupe company. A F40 when I'm 40 would be nice. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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:-)))) Yes, I do not think that the 355 is worth 50K more than a 348. Why would it? I saw 355 GTS advertised for $ 80s. You should be able to pick one up for about $ 80K to $ 85K. Ops, sorry that is the GTB, the BTS is about $ 5K higher. Anyhow. I do not think that a 328 is worth nor would anybody pay $ 75K for that car. I remember seeing that car with only 300 Miles on it. Well that is one of maybe 10 that have that low mileage. Worth that much, NO. I can not judge condition witout having the car in front of me. There are 328s out there for $ 30K to $ 35K. Rough for sure but they are here. Neither do I think a 308 is worth $40K. Nor do I believe a 348 Spider is worth $ 85K as some dealers have them priced. But personally I do not believe that the price gap between the 348 and the 355 is at all justified! Something that was raged up by crazy buyers and short supply. Those days are over for now! | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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I wanted a 512TR for a while, now though I think that maybe a 550 Maranello would be nice. A calm, quiet Ferrari that can still be honced around in. I think the 512TR would hold its value better though and would be less expensive. I would like to get a computerized car (ie not the original Testaross or earlier) because one mechanical car to maintain is enough. Regardless, I think I would want to go 12 cylinder (F40 is a little high for me to shoot for at this point and that's the next eight I would want, although the 355 is nice, but I'll have a 308 still). I gotta get a job. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
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No problem! | ||
| TWA (Exoticars)
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Sorry, really didn't mean for that to be a jab. I just meant in relation to the 355's, 360's, 550's, TR's etc....... And I was only thinking of So. Fla. when you mentioned Motorcars, but yes, I know of whom you speak. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
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TWA, Motorcars International is a huge Lambo/exotic dealer in Missouri... get an AutoWeek (one of the best car rags). The 328 prices are a fact... no, I wouldn't pay anything close to that for a 328.... but I did feel that "less desirable" jab.... there's a lot of guys on this site with "less desirable" 328s. :-) | ||
| Kendall Kim (Kenny)
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The price of the 1989 328GTS's will remain strong and stagnant, simply because of the VIN number and the fact it's the last production year.. The only distinguishing factor about the 1989 328's is the ABS brakes and concave wheels, although I think the 88 1/2 models had those as well.. almost new 1999 355 spyders with F1 are going for around $150k.. and with the demand for 360's going down, the prices for 355's can only go down as well... It's hardly imaginable that early 1995 355's are going for $105k wholesale... I'd have to say that is the going retail price today ~ $100k-$105k.. unless you have a garage queen that's been driven 1,000 miles.. | ||
| TWA (Exoticars)
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Wow........ I know of Motorcars of So. Fla. Is this who you mean? Anyway, I guess you're right. I am definitely leaving money on the table. An 89 328 for 70k, huh? Jeesh. I sold one back in July with 23k miles in very nice shape without paint or bodywork for 49,700 and I bought it for 39,900. To make almost 10k on a less desirable Ferrari is typically doing very well...... I guess I never thought I could've made 25k!! By the way, I still don't believe I could've but if you've seen one sell or have bought one yourself for those prices, then how can I argue. By the way, I'm sure you know that just because a dealer may ask 65k.......blah, blah, blah. They may have sold it for 50-53k..... | ||
| Michael A. Niles (Man90tr)
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Back to the issue in question, I love the F40 but my next one might just be the 288GTO. If not that I'll join William with an F40. Let's get ready to rumble!!!!!! Don't laugh William, I know your a way better driver but we all must have our goals. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
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TWA, if you're in the exotic car biz, you probably know of Motorcars International. They advertise in AutoWeek... many other places too. They always have clean, late model 328s in $70K range... and turn them very quickly... actually selling in the mid $60s. They have an '89 advertised right now for $69.5K. I've seen them as high as $75K. Maybe you're leaving money on the table. :-) | ||
| Allyn (Allyn)
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Mondial 3.2 Cabriolet I think. Need the extra seats, like the fresh air and don't think I can swing a T. | ||
| TWA (Exoticars)
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Yikes! 60k for an 89 328? Wow!!!!! I wish I could get that number for some of mine. I'd make 20k per car. Also, 95k is less than wholesale for a 355 GTS. Maybe a 95 GTB if you steal it. I guess if you laid someone away hard on the 328 for 55k and found a 95-96 GTB for 105k (wholesale), then you have done it. But, if you can do both of those in one transaction, then you need to do it for your business.......'cos you are good! This is playful so please don't take any offense. It's just that it's my business and those numbers are hard to swallow. Martin's gonna kick my butt 'cos he seems to think that a 348 is worth the same as a 355 within 20k. | ||
| Kendall Kim (Kenny)
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I don't see why he couldn't.. Pristine conditioned 1989 328GTS's run around $55-60k.. 355GTS's run between $95k-$115k.. For $50k cash plus the 328, he's right in the ballpark.. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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Jake; if you are trading a 328 plus $ 50K then your 328 would be worth only $ 30K ? I'd be interested in buying your car as well. | ||
| TWA (Exoticars)
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Next car will likely be the new NSX. Not the redone 2002, but the 2003 with the v-8/v-10. This car is so refined and perfect now that once a v-8 i-vtec goes in there........ I'll be all over it. Rumored to be somewhere between 125-143k. Hey Jake, how on earth do plan on buying a 355 for only 50k plus your 328??????? Sounds to me like you need 85-100k more....... | ||
| Kendall Kim (Kenny)
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Hi Jake, where are you located? and how much would you be asking for your 1989 328GTS when you sell it...?? what's the color combo and mileage..? | ||
| jake liddell (Enzoforza)
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I will be looking to trade my '89 328gts for a 355 ts this spring. Its gonna cost me about 50k or so but I think it will be worth it. Can't wait!!! | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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for me either a Viper GTS or a Porsche 993 Turbo, have to wrap up a few projects first. Think I'm going to get myself an F40 when I hit 40 in 2 years. I'm very mature for my age |