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| Jason (Jason)
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Sorry bad link, here's a mirror site... http://rbox.victoly.com/~carlcuro/vipercrash.mpg | ||
| Jason (Jason)
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Not really on topic but an interesting video nonetheless. Clearly driver error here, guy went much too hot into a corner. http://porsche.pdxmax.com/misc/vipercrash.mpeg | ||
| Eric Kasir (Erick)
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Some guys have actually Twin Turbo'd a Viper - details here: http://www.supervipersystems.com/Upgrade_Systems/Stryker_Twin_Turbo/stryker_twin_turbo.html Being a Brit, can't say Vipers do an awful lot for me though  Apart from anything, I'd need a 2nd mortgage just to pay for the ridiculous amount of gas one of those things drinks.. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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It would be nice if they made some add performance parts for our Ferraris. Everything we buy has to be modified to make it work. | ||
| Scott Juarez (Scottjua)
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I have picture of "4RE ETR" on my site: ^_^ I've met him at a predominantly NSX dyno event...he was a pretty nice guy, but I didn't talk to him about the F-car vs Snake debate. here's a fender pic: http://www.nextestdrive.net/internalimages/gallery/Vipers.jpg | ||
| Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
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Thanks Will, Been to the site before. But the problem I have is the stupid CA emission standard. If I'm not gonna drive it on the road anything goes. Unless you have an OEM part on the car they freak. Even then if it does have the OEM stuff but doesn't look stock, they give you flack. Lets not forget the Smog Check only test they have. Unlike the old test where you could mess with the car to get it to pass, this one you can't touch S**T. See my problem. For the price I think a Viper is a pretty good deal. Now it is no Ferrari, but still a good deal. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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I meant to say Koenig Check out WWW.Koenig-Specials.com | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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One word for Ferrari tuning: Koeing They got a turboed 360 with 600 HP that could go 0-60 in under 3.5 seconds. A modified F50 went in a sliver under 3 seconds. | ||
| Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
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There is a guy where I live that has one of the meanist Vipers I have seen. This thing is scary. Get this the power in this thing is about 720hp at the rear wheel! Thats way over 800hp at the crank. For those of you thinking turbo guess again, it's naturally aspirated. And NO, it isn't a Henessy. Ferrari's are great but what I can't stand is that there are relatively no after market performace products for them. Yeah there are rims, ecu chips and mufflers, big woopy. But what we need are parts that will make these cars really whoop A*#@. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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You know, these "performance packages" they have for minivans and SUVs allow the owners to falsely think their vehicle is now a sports car. I've seen minivans attempting to keep up with me in the twisties. The minivans would be swaying and tipping all over the place. Someday, one of those guys will have a rollover accident or crash through a guard rail and over a cliff. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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The new vipers should be a good step up from the old ones. I can't wait to see what the new GTS (street version) look like. I haven't encounter any challenges from viper drivers yet. Most of them here are content to just cruise around. Interestingly enough, quite a few are driven by women. | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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In a straight line - obviously. But I'm not into drag racing - now really... boys, what girl likes a 7 second thrill? performance is cornering - smooth shifts through curves - the sounds - the smells. I consider my car a touring car not a race car. | ||
| Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
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The Viper performance vs. the Ferrari. Come on guys you know that if a Viper rolled up on you and wanted to mix it up, you would have a handful to contend with. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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I saw an Escort with Sport written on it. I couldn't believe it the Ford Escort Sport. Isn't this a contradiction. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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Not to get too off topic, but I get such a kick out of those. Nothing says hauling a$$ like a 18" rims and an exhaust on a minivan, LOL. It still amazes me that people do this. | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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The Dodge Caravan has a "SPORT" package - isn't THAT an oxy-moron! | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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Does a racing stripe make the car go faster? ...just wondering. Dodge puts them on everything now. Trucks, Vipers, I wonder when the Sebring Convertible comes with a stripe for added performance. | ||
| Daryl Adams (Daryl)
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One of my business partners is a huge Mopar fanatic and lusts after the Viper. He is always razzing me about the fact that the Viper has an engine that is "more powerful" than my Ferrari. The only way to shut him off was to remind him that the Viper has a HUGE engine in comparison to the average street Ferrari. When I got him to look at the comparison of horsepower per cubic inch of displacement, he finally quieted down. :-) | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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Michael, I do that too. I look in my rear view and try to see what car is behind me. I am always on the look out for other Ferraris but I normally never see one. I will still look. It is half the fun. | ||
| Michael (Mtabije)
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I always get excited when I see good cars. When I went to the Motor Trend International Auto Show here in Vegas this past November, I just stood there in awe looking at the Porsche 959, Jaguar XJ220, Lotus Esprit, Bently Arnage Red Label, and the Lamborghini SE 6.0, a Yellow RT10, and a deep blue 2002 ZO6, even the Southern Nevada Corvette Club members cars....I was disappointed that there was no Ferrari's there. My friends think I'm absolutely nuts everytime I talk about cars. To them, just looking and saying "That's a 'tight' car is enough....I always jump in with performance stats, a little history and go on and on till they just give me funny looks and think I'm too serious about cars....but hey, I can't help it. When I go shopping, even if it's to the local Wal-Mart, the first place I head to is the magazine section to look for new car rags....cheaper to subscribe you say? Heck, just browsing the car mags is half the experience, then over to the Toy section to find some cool Hot Wheels, Bburago, or Maisto die cast cars...then over to the model section and see what new die cast 1:18 scale models they have. I even play a game whith myself when I drive at night and look in my rear view mirror and try to figure out the silhouette of the car behind me....nothing like that one time I saw the silhouette of a black 550 Maranello with HID lights on my tail and dropping back and switching lanes just to see and especially hear it pass me....my goodness, it's a sickness..... | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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Michael, I really enjoyed reading your description of Ferrari. It is a concert. | ||
| Michael (Mtabije)
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Vipers, I think, aside from the Corvette, inspires the best of what a majority of American people feel is an American Sports car. I mean in pure first impression-first sighting visceral thoughts "Yeah!!". You picture yourself cruising down on a Firday or Saturday night on the boulevard, or just cruising, and going to the burger joint hangout to talk shop with all the other guys, as you pull out you do a quick burn out as they egg you on and cheer and yell in enthusiatic glee- you hear the deep beastly rumble of the hairy chested exhaust at idle as you rev up the engine the beast begins to roar, drop the clutch, floor the pedal and the Viper roars and billows of smoke consume the air and a patch of rubber on the road lets you know, a Viper was here. You think, man that's an American muscle machine. Ferrari's, well, you get that feeling of mystique, and what else..ahhh...exotic. It's on a whole 'nother level. You're almost speechless, as you hear the harmonious machinery play a concerted movement of precision, history, and emotion. However, no matter how much times you've heard the concert, it always sounds like the first time, always. The lines on the car never look derivative, but deliberate. From the deep front chin spoiler of BB512 to the mesh grille on an F50, and the NACA ducts/air intakes on the body panels. You know, even if you have never seen a Ferrari in you life, that instinctively, you think its a race car, and rightly so. | ||
| Chris_N_Chicago (Chris_N_Chicago)
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don't forget any Blue Ferrari is no match for a Viper.... | ||
| Peyman (Peyman)
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The viper is fast and handles fairly decent, but does not have the braking that I like and like Lloyd said it can get out of hand very easily. I am disappointed with it most of all because it does not spark any PASSION in me, I have had much slower older Porsche 911's which I enjoyed driving much more. The viper to me is not refined. Although I don't mind beating the sportbikes on the highway. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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The Viper is a little quicker than the 512TR but the 512TR has a higher top end, so does the F40 | ||
| Peter S�derlund/328 GTB -88 (Corsa)
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A 550 Maranello is faster than a Viper GTS at Nürburgring. From Auto motor & sport Lap times at Nürburgring 550 Maranello 8 min 7 sec Viper GTS 8 min 10 sec Acceleration 0-200 (125) km/h (mph) 550 Maranello 14.2 sec Viper GTS 14.6 sec Braking 200 (125)-0 km/h (mph) 550 Maranello 5.3 sec Viper GTS 5.9 sec Acceleration and Braking 0-200 (125)-0 km/h (mph) 550 Maranello 19.5 sec Viper GTS 20,5 sec Lateral acceleration 550 Maranello 1.3 g Viper GTS 1.2 g Is F40 and F50 faster than 550 Maranello? F40 top speed 324 km/h about 202mph 0-60 3.8 sec 0-125 mph 11.3 0-100 mph 8.0 sec I don't think Viper is faster than a F40. Ciao Peter | ||
| Peter Boray (Gts308qv)
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William H summed it up by stating the viper is better at doing burnouts. Like any comparison of Ferrari to American cars... silk to polyester. | ||
| Najib Amanullah (Najib)
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The Viper is a very desireable aggressive looking muscle car ... never driven one but I imagine very different to a Ferrari...more raw power. I don't agree with Frank about it being able to take any Ferrari including the F40. The figures for the F40 and the Vipers GTS, GTSR or RT10 say it all. F40 0-60 under 4 sec. 0-100 8 secs. Viper mid 4 secs and 10+ respectively. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
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IMHO the driver is so much more important that the car it's not funny unless you're just drag racing at a light. Real driving: turns, braking, shifting, etc...a pro in an Accord will beat an amature in anything on a challenging course. That's why I hate huge displacement muscle cars. I think they're strictly for kids who are too young or lazy to learn how to DRIVE. | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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I have scared more people in a neon ACR - it's not the car - it's the driving. a Viper is a good car on the track but twitchy - I can control a Ferrari better - either one ......can be fun like I said - wear brown pants and I can teach you to drive both (grin) www.racerchicks.com | ||
| Lloyd Bemis (Lloyd)
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I recently purchased a 512TR and have owned a 93 rt/10. This was an original series Viper and it is my understanding that the driveability of the car is much improved in the later vehicles such as the GTS. The Viper I owned was best at blowing people off the line in your stop light challenges. I think you could do this endlessly in a Viper and have no problem. The TR is not a dragster and would not hold up to this type of driving. Regularly dropping the clutch in a TR is considered abuse, while in a Viper it is just part of the fun. I prefer the Ferrari in every other respect. The sound of the boxer 12 is intoxicating while the sound of my Viper with side pipes made me think I was about to receive a UPS delivery. At speed on the street the TR is much more predictable. The Viper did not instill as much confidence when driving it hard on twisty roads. I may be biased as I once spun the Viper unexpectedly (recovered with no damage to car, but not to shorts). At over 50 mph the Ferrari seems faster and there is nothing like pulling out to pass in the TR. The sound, the speed and even the "right on" look on the faces of those you are passing in the TR is an experience that can't be duplicated. My Viper was a great car and the difference in the performance with the TR in terms of street driving is probably more dependent on the driver's skill. However, the Ferrari sings a note more in tune with me. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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I have 512TR & I have raced Vipers all over the NE, The Viper has a little more power than the 512TR & its a lot better at doing burnouts. The 512TR has better brakes, its probably more reliable , better quality, better investment, & handles better. I still love the Viper GTS, gotto get 1 one of these days. I was at Summit point on the front straight accelerating at full throttle right behind a new Viper RT/10 & he was pulling away from me at a fast walking speed. Of course I gobbled him up in the braking zone & spit him out in the twisties | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
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I'd echo Frank's sentiments re: Viper GTS. Its torque and grip are tough to match. Among street cars it's one the very best on a track. Not sure it will walk away from an F40, which feels slightly quicker, a lot lighter and very neutral. I think they're pretty close, though. And, as with many street car/amateur driver/club event scenarios, the faster of the two would be largely driver dependent, IMO. Oh, and as Rob referenced, stock brakes are not a Viper's strong point as they are poorly proportioned from the factory. '01 Vipers come with ABS which should help manage this. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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I think Ferraris would do much better on the track than a Viper. | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
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Frank are you saying that a Viper will beat an F40 in a straight line? I find that kinda hard to believe. The F40 makes what, 20lbs of boost? Something doesn't sound right. | ||
| Peyman (Peyman)
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Rob I also live in Dallas Texas but it is not my viper which has that lic. plate | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Viper here in Texas has a license plate "4RE ETR", well, I completely agree. As the Ferrari leads the Viper on the track into the heavy braking zone, the Viper trys to use the same braking point as the Ferrari and runs right through it. That's the only time I see a Viper "eating" a Ferrari. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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I had a Viper GTS and it would run away from any Ferrari out there including an F-40. I never ran up with an F-50 so I don't know how it would compare. The Viper is FAST but does suffer from poor build quality. | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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comeon - I've had a Viper on the track - torque - pure American muscle power - but a Ferrari- it's enjoyment - fun to drive and with a sound to make you melt. Don't get me wrong - Vipers are cool but when I guy offered me a brand new coupe in exchange for my 308GTS - I said no thanks - the Viper may be worth more on paper - but not worth more to me. | ||
| Peyman (Peyman)
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I currently have a viper rt/10 and I recently purchased the damaged 512tr listed in ferrariads. I was wondering what do you guys think about the performance of the viper compared to ferrari, regardless of the fact that it is not built as good, and does not have as much class. |