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| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1073 Registered: 6-2001 |
just wanted to see if one could post in archived posts. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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The 355 doesn't blip it like a 360 does, that was one of the big selling points that kept coming up when the 360 F1 came out. | ||
| Mark McKenzie (Redcar)
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I'm still unclear on the "blipping" of a 355F1 vs. a 360F1. Do 355's blip the throttle during downshifts? I understand how a 360's computer can blip with the fly by wire, but I thought 355's had throttle cables. Does a 355 somehow blip the motor without opening the throttle? Is there a servo that actually moves the gas pedal in the cockpit? I hope someday to update from my 348 to a 355F1. Thanks Mark McKenzie | ||
| Mark Pattison (Markpatt)
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I can shift very fast! do it right and you think you are about to enter orbit  | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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No problem, SteveF. | ||
| SteveF (Stevef)
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willis, my comment wasn't directed at you. I'm sorry if it might have sounded that way as it came right after your post. I was just asking a general question on how quickly people are able to shift the manual once they're used to it. I plan on doing the occasional track event and was wondering if it's going to be problematic. although it is just for fun I don't want to have to let everyone pass because I'm spending too much time between gears! | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Look, I'm not being a smartass, SteveF. I'm just answering a question on the F1 system's Auto mode. The fact is that, on the downshift, the F1 automatic system tend to hold off going to a lower gear until it deems it necessary to shift when it reaches a certain RPM range. | ||
| SteveF (Stevef)
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So with the manual how quickly can you shift ? I'm wondering if you've been able to shift as quickly or quicker than a regular car with a less deliberate shifter. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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It's not a real automatic gearbox. The only thing that makes it an automatic is the computer. The computer basically take total control of the shifting and you just brake, gas, and steer. It does sense how aggressively you drive and will shift appropriately (some of the time). I've never tried the auto mode on a track but I would have to guess that the computer will not downshift quickly enough to the correct gear before entering some twisty sections. It's also rather jerky if you confuse the computer with your throttle inputs (this can happen in manual mode too). Sure, you could just leave the car in auto mode all the time and the car will try to do an poor impression of your sedan. The ride will not be very smooth and the engine will hate you for doing that. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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How well does it work? Is it like a true automatic? Any other info would be nice. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Care to elaborate on what you want to know, Richelson? | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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How is the auto selection on F1's? | ||
| Mark Pattison (Markpatt)
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yea blips are great on a manual car after changing the exhaust, but the f1 has some very nice formula 1 type noises. Very impressive, but again it's as if the car is doing everything for you. I love downshifts in our F355 with the challenge exhaust..blip..thwarrppp Agree with Willis about blipping down into corners it can be tricky (even with heal and toe) with the manual with all that power. But like i said you gotta know how to drive [flame suit on and zipped up tight] | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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You can do throttle blips with a conventional manual as well! And it sounds just as sweet! The trick is YOU have to do it... But the practice teaches you a skill that so few people know how to do. | ||
| Red Lindell (Redhead)
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After working at a couple of Ferrari shops, and having the privlage of drving everything out there, I would buy the 6 speed. It is alot more relaible,as well, more fun. It also puts the fun of driving back in the drivers hands, not the car. Not that the F1 is a awesome system, it just looses it appeal real quick. If you were to track the car only, go F1, and have a dealer set up your PIS to the challenge specs. As well, Ferrari, has had problems with the F1 computer. This was on the early cars, and has been fixed, that is why some people say their car was jerky, where others say it is smooth. The system would not self learn. FYI | ||
| Jason Fraser (Jfraser)
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Willis I am so there with you on the throttle blips....My wife giggles every time the car does it....well, giggles or screams, depending on how quick we're approaching the corner auto mode...yep it currently sucks, but when they get it right, it'll be a good feature, unfortunately traffic jams are fact of life, and I don't really get any satisfaction gear changing in them | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Tim, The driver-initiated downshifts in a F1 equiped car are very quick with nice throttle blips (The sound, man! The sound!! MMMmmmmm...). Quite a lot of fun when screaming down the straight then rip it down a few cogs just before the twisty bits. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
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Willis, i knew that theare two totally different types of transmissions, i just meant that it gets kind of boring hitting a switch or slapping a lever to change gears. I guess its because it takes so long to downshift, which is something that wont happen in a ferrari. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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I've only used the Auto mode 3 times. First couple of times were just to see what it will do. Third time was when I had to answer my cellphone (I know, cellphone and driving is bad news.). That was it. No more Auto mode for this guy. | ||
| KH (H00kem)
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6-speed is definitely more fun! I am on my 4th Car - - 348 5 speed, 355 F-1, 360 F-1, 360 Spider 6 speed....by far the 6 speed is a much more satisfying Ferrari experience. I found the F-1 to be rather unengaging and the AUTO mode to be totally worthless unless you like riding in a Ferrari that jerks with every shift change. I would only consider another F-1 if I was going to drive it every day and wanted the convenience of not having to think about shifting...but then again, why would I do that to a Ferrari. Go 6-speed, the way a Ferrari was meant to be! | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Personally, I feel much safer at higher speeds when I could keep both hands on the steering wheel and concentrate on the road. There are techniques to master in order to drive a F1-equiped car smooth and fast. I agree that there's great satisfaction in doing your own clutching and shifting in a Ferrari. I'm looking to add either a Daytona or F40 in the future so my views are not totally skewed against the good ol' stickshift. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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The F1 system is nothing like a Porsche Tiptronic system. The Tiptronic is a real automatic with a different gearbox from the manual. The F1 is an electro-hydraulic system mated to a 6-speed transmission identical to a manual 6-speed car. You could fry a clutch in a F1 equiped car if you drive it stupidly (as on any car). | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
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As far as value is concerned, im sure the F1 is the better one. No doubt in 10 years they will be in higher demand. Just look at F355s; the F1's are selling for more than the 6spd. Isnt there a problem with F1's frying their clutch too? i ser them for sale with 10k miles advertised as having a new clutch. It seems that the f1 is alot less involving. ive never driven one but if it is anything like tiptronic (i know the trannies are different and its faster, i meant driving)i dont want to have anything to do with it. I think moving the gear lever and modulating the clutch is the best part of driving a stick car. | ||
| Jason Fraser (Jfraser)
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Agreed....Hasn't been perfected yet...my major complaint relates to the automatic mode....it's pretty pathetic....It doesn't take much to confuse the system, and its pretty bad at anticipating the drivers' intention..... Jason | ||
| Mark Pattison (Markpatt)
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I can see what you mean Jason. But as others have said, the system hasn't been perfected YET. No doubt in ten or twenty years we will all be driving around with auto clutches. I guess it comes down to what benefits the F1 system has on the streets. For me it just makes things easier. Changing down a few gears to overtake for instance. If you work the manual well you can do pretty much the same, it's just a lot more involving. Oh and you also need to know how to drive ;) (j/k) Getting to know the F1 system takes time which would mean buying one before you knew what to expect. So I still think it's a valid discussion. Can't believe Formula 1 uses auto shift points, next they'll have auto brakes | ||
| Jason Fraser (Jfraser)
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I have the F1, and I love it...smoothness is absolutely a function of setup (PIS settings) and technique....It is not an automatic, and it is still possible to fluff the gear change....You do need to get used to the system. I think that this will become a redundant discussion, as I am sure the day will come when Ferrari no longer make manual six speeds.... | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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Frank brings up a very good point. I don't know anyone who would know how to work on the F1 system except the Ferrari dealers. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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If you're planning to keep the car after the warranty expires go with the 6 speed. The F1 system costs BIG BUCKS to work on when it breaks. And, it will break. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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I guess it depends on what you are looking for. The F1 will be easier to use on a regular basis. Since, it is new I think it would be fun but soon it may be used on many cars so, it may loose its luster. | ||
| Mark Pattison (Markpatt)
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This old chestnut Interesting though since I drive a 6 speed 355 and have driven a friend's 355-f1 a few times. Would consider a newer 355 in the future but it's a close call between the 6 speed and auto ;) I think the f1 makes you drive more aggressively and probably smoother around the twisters. But I just love getting the 6 speed into it's stride, and you can play around with it when you're not pushing on aswell. A must say though an f1 with a tubi exhaust is completely mental! | ||
| DBP (Dilly)
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I just talked with a guy who has owned 2 360s. I notice that his current model,a spyder,has a six speed. I asked him about it and he said he hated the F1. In his experience the F1 was was not smooth. I have driven the F1 and found it to be very smooth but I was just doing a test drive. I do know the F1 is jerky in the 355 as I have driven that car on the track. Our 355 has a 6 speed and at this point I am glad. By the way Nika, the car was yellow - you would have loved it! | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
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For me on the street, I've just always loved the "feel" of a standard stick-shift...I'm very skeptical that the F1 paddle shifters could replace that "feel"...IMHO. Now for the track, I would probably change my mind. | ||
| Simon Bertram (Lordvagabond)
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Well, I have no experience with a Ferrari F1, but of the people that I talk to and chat about ferrari's with, it seems the F1 is the more popular way to go. Then again, this is the opinion of a non-ferrari owner. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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F1 is a good choice. You can also put it into an automatic mode as well. | ||
| tino stramotas (Bboxer)
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F1's the one. It's the way of the future. Tino S. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Glad you found the colors you like. I'm not sure what you mean about "value" either. I have the F1 on my 360 and enjoy it enormously (use the car at least 3 times a week). It could get "lurchy" if you're inattentive. With practice, it's pretty smooth. On the track or twisty, lightly travelled roads, the F1 system is just amazing. Not tired of it at all after nearly 10 months of ownership. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
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i'm not sure why you are expressing the question in terms of "value" so much as the difference between the transmissions. as to that, i found the f1 to be too uninvolving for street driving, once the novelty wore off. also, upshifts are not that smooth. now, in fairness, i had the f1 on a 355, and i understand that the f1 on the 360 behaves differently; yet, i understand that in some ways it is even less smooth, although, quicker, if memory serves, than the f1 i had. for the track, that's a different story.the tough part is that, at first, you will have fun with the f1. once you live w/it for a while, i'm not so sure... | ||
| RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
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WHICH ONE WOULD YOU GUYS THINK IS A BETTER VALUE: 01 360 MODENA 6 SPEED TITANIUM/BLACK OR 00 360 MODENA F1 BLACK/GREY I SHOULD MENTION THAT THE 00 IS ALMOST $10K CHEAPER AND THE MILEAGES ARE BASICLY THE SAME. |