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joe saldana (Ironjoe)
Junior Member
Username: Ironjoe
Post Number: 83
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 08, 2002 - 9:37 pm: | |
Terry, Frank, well said gents..Hey Erik Id love to see that bad-boy when you get done with it.disregard that some people are downright mean and say stupid things like get it off this site or that Porsches dont turn heads (thats just insecurity,these saps are bored,I never knew you needed a F-car, or a P-car to turn heads ,im glad im 40 and look 30. they probably have to start working out n call hair club or something like that.... |
David Prall (Davidpra)
Junior Member
Username: Davidpra
Post Number: 100
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 08, 2002 - 3:30 pm: | |
Yeah, but unfortunately, it is not the Murcielago! |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member
Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 1025
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 08, 2002 - 3:18 pm: | |
I have had a 993 and 5 Ferraris. While I love my Ferraris more, I have to admit the Porsche is the better performing car. Porsche has dominated every form of motorsport it has entered including FI. Remember the TAG/Porsche engines that won the F1 championship the first and every subsequent year they entered ! But the Ferraris still command more attention than a Porsche every will. What we need is a car that has German performance and Italian looks. |
Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Junior Member
Username: Tspringer
Post Number: 126
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 08, 2002 - 3:12 pm: | |
While I am a 911 nut, I do agree with lots of opinions here that any Ferrari will pretty much guarantee more WOW factor than any Porsche. In any of the 911's I have owned, I get an occassional nod or question at a gas station, but the 308 almost never fails to draw a nice comment and it gets lots of grins and stares. The Ferrari packs a ton more "show" while the hotrod 911 takes care of all the needs in the "go" catagory. I think every car nut should have both! Ferrari on the street... Porsche on the track, hard combo to beat. |
Henryk (Henryk)
Junior Member
Username: Henryk
Post Number: 53
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 07, 2002 - 10:34 pm: | |
Erik,
When you get the picture of your Porsche, please put it in the Porsche site, and not here. I have already seen it.....they all look the same!!!!!! |
Christian (Christiank)
Member
Username: Christiank
Post Number: 339
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 07, 2002 - 10:21 pm: | |
I own 2 Ferrari (Mondial and Testarossa) and 1 Porsche (91 Carrera 2 convertible modified, 18 inch wheels etc etc). When you drive ONE Ferrari it is a ceremony, a fiest, crowd pleaser, everybody is looking - and they like it - even a new Porsche GT2 has no chance. When you drive the modified Porsche, OK another Porsche. Don't get me wrong here, but I have driven Porsche 944 turbo with 450 rear wheel scare the •••• out of me horsepower - but not even the ugliest girl is turning her head. With a Ferrari you own every childs, womens and mens heart. |
Erik Lombard (Elombard)
New member
Username: Elombard
Post Number: 30
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 07, 2002 - 9:40 pm: | |
Thanks again for your support. I drove the 911 around tonight, I still cant believe how fast it is I really scared myself. Terry - right after I finish with the RS look stuff I want to do the T-bars maybe 22mm in the front and 27 or 28 in the rear. I have "heard" that it makes for a sporting ride without being too harsh and works well as a compromise street/track setup. I was thinking I would add the aluminum rear control arms from a 74' and adjustable spring plates to make the corner weighting easier. I have not had the pleasure of owning and working on a 308 yet but I am really amazed at the way the P-car is put together. In a mass produced car when the need to add a "piece" they make a fancy plastic mold that rivets from the inside and must be destroyed to be taken off or removed with some kind of finger magic. With the Germans they just bolt it on!!! Nothing like some good ol 10mm bolts and spring washers. Its built like a race car. Makes it easy to work on once you have all the tools.
Not to change subjects but my buddy with a body shop wrecked his GTSi the other day. 17 year old kid pulled in front of him. Admitted the error - recieved a ticket etc. etc. Now the kids and my buddies insurance companies are jerking him?
Really sad to see a Ferrari mangled like that. A testament to their strength though. The damage doesnt look that bad (left front fender) the car still runs and drives. But the hit was hard enough to push the tunnel back and screw up the shifter where it passes through the cranckase(?). Thats some amazing structural rigidity.
Take care |
Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Junior Member
Username: Tspringer
Post Number: 124
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, July 07, 2002 - 2:11 pm: | |
Excellent choice! I have had many 911's and done tons of mods / track driving in them. I own a '69 911S currently that is being built into a hot street / track car. It will weigh 1900lb and have a 2.7 RS engine with around 220hp. Full race suspension with torsion bars. I prefer the early cars, they are much lighter and can be made to handle incredibly. You can build a '73 911 into a streetable car capable of keeping up with pretty much anything on the road for less than $30K. (just dont expect it to be as comfortable!)
I work on my own cars and having done tons of 911 work (my 911S is currently undergoing a total restoration/transformation) and worked on my 308 GTB, I can tell you first hand that the P-car is a much more well thought out design. Often working on the 308 leaves you shaking your head and wondering "what were they thinking" while working on the 911 leaves you thinking "WOW! thats so cool!". Ignore the VW related guys, they dont know what they are talking about.
Let me know if you need help in suspension change choices or other upgrades. There are so many possibilities in hotrodding a 911 that making good choices can be hard. Also, the oversteer nightmare is mostly hype. When setup properly a 911 can be drifted and steered on the throttle with great ease. Its also great the way so many upgrade and performance parts from later cars will simply bolt right up.
Im a 911 fanatic as you can see... but dont look it as an either / or choice. My 308 GTB is tons of fun and I love the engine and the way it shifts. I also just dont get tired of looking at it, its just go gorgeous. I find the early 308 the perfect street only car, tons of fun, fast enough to provide a thrill but not so fast that getting the thrill requires insane speeds. A hotrod 911 on the other hand is the perfect track car. They take hard driving like no other car. You can just beat the daylights out of a 911 and they never hiccup.
Enjoy! |
joe saldana (Ironjoe)
Junior Member
Username: Ironjoe
Post Number: 81
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 07, 2002 - 10:34 am: | |
Erik,Excellent choice make it an RSR light their a blast,tweek the susp n you will love the tracks,most Real gearheads will tell you how well engineered Porsches are,how they dominate in endurance,GT,etc.Ive had the pleasure of both marques all torn down and doubled,tripled,n quaddripled horsepower,brakes,n susp.have the F-car now but the 911,930 s are still in my noodle.If you get any flack just tell them 308 guys that pull next to you to match your massive stock factory rotors against their factory 308 (porsche 914 entry level brakes),n that if they ever mention V.W their fusebox is half V.W n half alfa n lancia,not to mention their steering rack uses FORD PINTO parts.As for doing the mods yourself this is the only way to go.Its half the fun grab an Excellence hit up Chuck Stoddard,Patrick,Brumos,etc P.S. dont worry about the wife,Ive had 50 or 60,70, after 20.30 they dont even notice the flat-bed dropping them off in the drive any more... |
Steve (Steve)
Junior Member
Username: Steve
Post Number: 176
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, July 06, 2002 - 7:35 pm: | |
Eric good luck with the Porch. I hope we can pick you out to wave to you but I must see about 6 or 8 of them on my way to work (about 25 miles). I realize they are pretty quick but I could never get into them VW air cooled motors. But I must admit they are good in the snow. Wasn't there a commerical once that had shown a porsche going through a snow storm to get to the snow plow to clean the roads (or was that a VW) , oh well good luck. |
Chris A. (Asianbond)
New member
Username: Asianbond
Post Number: 34
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, July 06, 2002 - 12:34 am: | |
Had several Porsches in the past, not many cars can top the great driving position and road feel like in my 84 Carrera Cab. It was also damn fast pulling in 2nd gear from 3200rpm. Enjoy, you can't go wrong with a 911. It was my favorite sportscar of all time up until I got the 348. |
Roger Blakeman (Roger)
New member
Username: Roger
Post Number: 13
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 9:37 pm: | |
I've had an '84 928 for many years and its probably the best car I've owned. Totally reliable, comfortable, built like a tank, outsdtanding ride and handling for a GT car, no wind noise, no leaks, good gas mileage, fast, etal. |
Mitchell Minh Le (Yelcab1)
Junior Member
Username: Yelcab1
Post Number: 208
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 8:34 pm: | |
Love Porsche, owned a 3.2L one. Sold it to get the GT4, but still love Porsche. Take good care of that Porsche and it will not let you down. All the mods make it sound like a very nice car. You do not have to defend your wife, many people buy cars to please the other spouses. Porsche is a very good car.
Just watch them tensioners, head studs, thermal reactors, pop off valves, and whatever else that make it ... less bullet-proof. |
bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member
Username: Originalsinner
Post Number: 200
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 7:00 pm: | |
Each to his fancy said old man Clancey as he kissed the horse. |
Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Junior Member
Username: 308gtb
Post Number: 156
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 6:27 pm: | |
Sausiche his own |
bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member
Username: Originalsinner
Post Number: 193
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 3:22 pm: | |
Wanted steak got hamburger. Jk |
Erik Lombard (Elombard)
New member
Username: Elombard
Post Number: 29
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 10:53 am: | |
Hey, thanks for all the support. I am adding RS replica ducktail F/R bumpers and 16" Panasports or Fuchs. Then I will post a pic. Interestingly enough I was always a big Carrera Chain tensioner guy but now I have two opinions from reputable shops who dont like them because of leaks?? They prefer the safety update and replace the manual tensioners every 60K or whatever. I still will probably add them first time I have the motor out.
I have ridden (sp?) in several 308s and driven one briefly. I would need to own one and drive it for a good bit before I could comment. Frankly I wouldnt care!! The look, feel, history and intangibles that go with any Ferrari are second to none- it could drive like Alaine Prosts "Truck" and I would never complain : - ))With the 911 it took me a couple thousand miles to get comfy and stop worrying about the DREADED LIFT THROTTLE OVER STEER~~. I gotta say the handling limits are way beyond what I would comfortably approach on the street. The back end stays glued pretty well. I am going to a track day next weekend with the P car and I will explore the limits a little more. My friends are all very concerned about the handling and one even mentioned he was a little "scared" to drive it at the track!! I figure as successful as they are in racing it cant be that bad??
I must comment on the modifications some one criticised. I just cant leave my cars alone. When I get a 308 there will be many bolt on bolt off mods I will perform (coil overs, Crank fired ignition, 16" rims that kind of stuff). I would really love to have Nick do a mildly modded GTBi with higher compression and the cams to match. I would not hesitate on a run of the mill 911 that they made so many of but a Ferrari would be a little tougher decision because of the rarity. So I appreciate his opinion but cars are very personal to car guys, I guess thats why I prefer well used cars, It would bother me to modify a concours example. One thing though I think I would change points out to a modern electronically sensed ignition on ANY car. They just run so much better...
Oh - perhaps some more explanation and defense of my wife are in order. I was several years?? away from owning a 308, and I really want a dry sump car and they are even more money. The 911 was only $10k I think I would have been hard pressed to get a good drysump 308 for under $30K. When I wrecked my race car and decided not to fix it waiting several years for a street track toy was too long to wait.
Take care. |
ross koller (Ross)
Junior Member
Username: Ross
Post Number: 165
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 10:47 am: | |
congratulations, hope it works out. here are a couple of stories for you:
my father has always been a porsche guy. used to race them (with some factory backing), we had a new porsche in the driveway every 6 months for years. i was the only child and basically grew up in the backseat of a 911. in 1980, he was done racing and just wanted a fast keeper for a while. he had narrowed his choices down to a '77 (first generation) 930 turbo, or a ferrari 330gtc owned by a neighbor; same price on both. he had never driven a ferrari, but liked the car etc. in the end he chose the 930. he loved that car, and has kept it to this day; had it completely renovated and has now imported it to the states. it is worth maybe $30k if he's lucky; whereas the 330gtc is probably well north of $100k. did he make the right decision? money wise no, but thats his call.
i saw this happen, and after a few porsches of my own decided that the ferrari would have been the better choice from my (cheap bastard) perspective. i saw ferrari as one of the few cars that had a chance in hell of appreciating over time. so i ended up splurging on a 348 and then the 512tr. my dad and i picked up the 512 in rome a few years ago and drove it all the way to london. now he loves ferraris and can't wait to get one. rants and raves about how much better they are than the porsches he drove/drives etc. so much so that i am going to have to 'give' him the 512 as soon as i get something else (hey you gotta give somthing back right?).
so what am i getting at with all this bs.....you may be currently happy with the porsche, god know they are fast, well built cars. but if eventual value appreciation is a concern, then ferrari has them beat hands down in any category.
if performance with passion and style, and some individualism, is an issue for you, once again ferrari has porsche beat hands down.
enjoy yourself now, then start looking for a nice ferrari. you will thank me in 20 years.
all of this imho, disclaimer,blahblah. |
Robert Foskett (Robf)
New member
Username: Robf
Post Number: 44
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 9:27 am: | |
I went that route -
Used to have a 3.2 Carrera, which was a great car, but always knew it would be replaced with a Ferrari at some point.
I think a 911 is a must have at some point for sportscar fans, if only to develop a personal opinion about the car which is not based on magazine articles and "dangerous handling" know-it-alls!
Hope you enjoy your car, hope you get to compare it with a 308 at some point too! BTW my wife also liked the look of the 911 much more than my car, but it is a GT4 - had it been a GTb or a 246 Dino her opinion would have been different!
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Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member
Username: Owens84qv
Post Number: 469
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 9:12 am: | |
Eric...have you ever driven a 308? |
Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 2344
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 8:04 am: | |
....he'll be back..... |
Dave Trbizan (Davidt)
New member
Username: Davidt
Post Number: 22
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 11:02 pm: | |
Nothing wrong with a Porsche. lot of fun for the money. Deep down you know why your wife wanted you to have a frog instead of a horse. I hope you and your daughter have fun. |
James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Member
Username: Omnadren250
Post Number: 258
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 8:32 pm: | |
good choice.
Those SC motors are bullet proof. Just make sure it has had the Carrera chain tensioner upgrade done to it, and a pop off valve so you don't blow the airbox WHEN it backfires.
Post some pics. Gulf blue is a great color |
Ernesto (T88power)
Member
Username: T88power
Post Number: 463
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 7:57 pm: | |
You bought a Porsche over a FERRARI becuase your wife likes their looks over the FERRARI? Makes no sense to me, unless she paid for it.
Ernesto |
Ben Cannon (Artherd)
New member
Username: Artherd
Post Number: 16
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 7:54 pm: | |
Watch the oversteer, and pickup your 308 later on. Why choose, get BOTH! :D)
Best!
Ben |
Peter B. (Gts308qv)
Junior Member
Username: Gts308qv
Post Number: 207
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 7:16 pm: | |
So you have bought an early bitza, with later style non original body add-ons and motor. Why? It's a toss up between laugh and cry ! Good luck, try not to kill yourself or your daughter in the first week of ownership. Yes, you should be sorry ! But then again maybe we should blame the wife for your decision. |
Jack (Gilles27)
Member
Username: Gilles27
Post Number: 445
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 3:23 pm: | |
Yeah, Erik. Stick around and let us know how you like it. Congrats! |
Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member
Username: Doody
Post Number: 279
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 1:44 pm: | |
that's a great ride, dude. post some pics!
i don't think you'll find many people here who'll be anything but supportive of your choice.
enjoy!
doody. |
Tyler (Bahiaau)
Member
Username: Bahiaau
Post Number: 325
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 12:27 pm: | |
Congrats Erik and enjoy. You'll find many of us here are former or current P-car fans. Someday soon you can add that 308 to the stable as well. |
Erik Lombard (Elombard)
New member
Username: Elombard
Post Number: 28
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 12:24 pm: | |
Well I am afraid I will disapoint here. I always wanted a 308 and was moving toward the goal. I also wanted to try a 911 at some time. The wife won. she likes the way the P cars look better. Someday I will have a 308 but for noew I am content. I am having almost much fun on the Rennlist Chat board as here, but I feel like I have let down a group of people that I consider important. FYI its a 73 911 with SC flares and a 3.0 liter SC motor, stainless ehxaust, Konis, BBS etc. Gulf Blue and it has AC!! I took my daughter for a ride and put the G tech on it, On the first (only) try I slipped the clutch way too much and with a passenger did 0-60 in 5.6 secs. Not bad for a 30 year old car!!
Take care |