| Author | Message | ||
| Randy Ines (Raines)
Junior Member Username: Raines Post Number: 54 Registered: 7-2001 |
T.Rutlands says they can do an engine swap for $6K, but my existing engine is modified for a distributorless ignition (line of points from the spark plugs) w/ modified plates where the dual distributors were. How hard will it be to convert the new engine? I noticed some of you had this done already. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1341 Registered: 6-2001 |
Some people are trying to get mid 40's for 308QV's, i see this at www.thecarexperience.com | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1142 Registered: 9-2001 |
Neal, how much did you pay for the 348 engine rebuild ? T.Rutlands has several new in the crate complete 348 engines including the fuel injection, ignition ect for $15k. | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 304 Registered: 5-2002 |
It does seem that 30k buys a quality,tops down,308. I have a 78 with 19k put into it since this April and dont see it bringing anymore than 30k. Makes you wonder when some of these cars are going to go the way of "part" cars at these pricing levels.I might put mine for sale on the Hemmings site to see what happens. Who knows where the offers wil be. Good way to find out what cars are really worth and what should be spent on parts and restorations. | ||
| neal ezra (95spiderneal)
New member Username: 95spiderneal Post Number: 4 Registered: 3-2002 |
i just had a similar problem with my 348 spider. the oil pump failed, lost pressure and damaged the main bearings, one head but the crank was ok. i also had metal in the oil. the only way to know extent of damage is to take it apart. rebuild cost 15k and took 3 months. let me know if u need further info | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Junior Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 58 Registered: 6-2002 |
Edward, I concur. The bottom end should be bullet proof. However, this engine had been rebuilt, and a bad mating of the bearing cap, bad crank journal (not measured at time of rebuild), slight misalignment of the bearing when inserted, all could lead to a bearing failure. Bottom line, this engine needs resuscitation. Jim Selevan | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1628 Registered: 2-2001 |
I have never seen a bearing go out without crankshaft damage and in most cases there is some reason that the bearings went such as low oil level or infrequent oil changes. Under normal running conditions the lower end of any engine will last the life of the car. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 283 Registered: 12-2001 |
Paul, I went with the factory gaskets to avoid what mitchel is going through right now. I didnt pay full pop and got them elsewhere but they are factory gaskets. I was concerned about the headgaskets the most with the compression ratio increase. I didnt need the headaches and so far havent had any. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 282 Registered: 12-2001 |
Paul, I didnt have to do any machine work, the engine had 5k since a previous rebuild. The liners were new - std size. It had been sitting since 93 till 2001 and I decided to rebuild it so I knew what I had as well as to make it faster. James, technically I guess if you were very very patient you could do the bearings in the car but you would also need very long skinny fingers to get up in there. Provided the crank didnt need work which is unlikely. | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Junior Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 57 Registered: 6-2002 |
Depending on your SPI (sphincter patency index), metal "specs" in your oil may rub some people the wrong way (pun intended). In an ideal world, rebuild the engine. However, as Bruno intimated, some metal, depending on the origin, may not represent an absolute indication for rebuild. For example, if the culprit were a connecting rod bearing, that could be changed from the bottom. Assuming the soft bearing did not score the hard crankshaft journal, and after a few flushes of oil through the system, one could operate the engine for a long period of time without noticeable negative effect. Wait - Wait - Wait - I just passed a brain fart. Does the transmission lie beneath the crank? I am proposing the best case scenario, which is in direct conflict with Murphy. But who knows, there was always O'toole's corollary to Murphy's Law, which states simply that - "Murphy was an optimist" Jim Selevan | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1616 Registered: 2-2001 |
I had a spare engine but I sold it several months ago. It was completely rebuilt and I got $5000 for it. Hell you can have my whole rebuilt 82 308 for $30,000 and all you have to do is drive it away. Everything has been done that you would have to do to one if you bought it at any price anyway. Paint, complete interior,tires, Engine and transmission as well as distributorless ignition and the long lasting timing belt and tensioners. What else could you ask for. | ||
| Paul (Pcelenta)
New member Username: Pcelenta Post Number: 32 Registered: 7-2002 |
Paul, $4700 cdn....no machine work? why did you go with the factory gasket set? just curious..FofAtlanta sold me a non-factory set a couple of years back said it was an OE supplier. | ||
| Randy Ines (Raines)
Junior Member Username: Raines Post Number: 53 Registered: 7-2001 |
Wow, maybe I should get a second opinion on the problem. Edward does have a point- if you have to drop and open the engine, you might as well do as much as you can in there, which is what the mechanic recommended, hence a rebuild regardless. James- sorry, the mechanic did say, the bearings were suspect, not the rings. | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 293 Registered: 5-2002 |
Is the pressure really gone or does the gauge just say so. With no pressure I would expect it to have been very loud.Could be many things. Would not rush to rebuild.Particles in oil does not scare me. Yet. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2505 Registered: 5-2001 |
Edward didn't you have a spare 308 engine that you were selling? $5,000 from TRuthland sounds okay to me too. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1613 Registered: 2-2001 |
It really does not matter exactly what the material is, the engine is still going to have to come out and apart to do an autopsy and diagnosis as to the feasability of repair. | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Junior Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 132 Registered: 4-2002 |
If you sent particles to me I'll analyse them FOC. I market a automated SEM for rapid highly accurate chemical analysis of particulates from oil filters, magnetic plugs etc. I am in the UK so I guess it would be a last resort for you. The offers there if you really wanted to know whats in those deposits and couldn't get it done locally. | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Junior Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 56 Registered: 6-2002 |
Randy - something does not compute. "Metallic specs" in oil filter does not lead one to immediately think of "worn rings." Furthermore, sudden loss of oil pressure is never (never say never) a result of worn rings. I assume you mean oil pressure when you say "pressure." Metal floating in the oil filter is more likely bearing (main or connecting rod) material or valve or piston crown. One thing you might consider is to get your hands on the oil filter, open it up, collect as much of these "specs" as you can, and see if they are ferrite (are they attracted to a magnet?). This will help a great deal in determining the source of the problem. The oil pump gears are ferrite, valves are ferrite (I think?), but main and connecting rod bearings are not. Sudden loss of oil pressure - think main bearings, oil pump, or oil line. Unlikely to be piston rings. My thoughts - Jim Selevan | ||
| Randy Ines (Raines)
Junior Member Username: Raines Post Number: 52 Registered: 7-2001 |
While driving, 308 all of a sudden lost pressure, so I took straight into the shop. Unfortunately, metallic specs were found in the oil filter which indicated worn rings. Mechanic recommends a rebuild. What characterizes a "blown" engine? Paul- You make it sound like a piece of cake. I have no tools or any experience with engines. Not a DIYer. I only wish. | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 187 Registered: 4-2001 |
So Randy, what exactly is wrong with your engine? | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 281 Registered: 12-2001 |
Randy, I rebuilt my 79 308 engine last winter for $4700cdn. That included new pistons, rings and pins, carb kits, timing belts, waterpump rebuild, fans belts, ferrari gaskets($2000 for the gaskets alone), all bearings, seals, some hoses and all fluids. I did the work myself so labour wasnt an issue. If you do the work yourself and buy aftermarket gaskets and only rering it, you will do it for less than I did. If its blown, thats a different story all together. | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
Member Username: 4re308 Post Number: 594 Registered: 6-2001 |
What is wrong with the engine in your car now? You know, $5k for a used 308 engine does not sound so bad to me. Heck, a 30k service with belts on that engine is $3500!! | ||
| Randy Ines (Raines)
Junior Member Username: Raines Post Number: 51 Registered: 7-2001 |
Besides TRutlands (~$5K for used engine-Thanks, Terry), where can I find a good used engine for my '81 308 GTSi (in storage)? I wish money was no object, but it is right now. Desperate to get my baby on the road.  | ||
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