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oicyu812 (Oicyu812)
New member
Username: Oicyu812
Post Number: 12
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 7:09 am: | |
I stopped reading after a number of post. What is crap is all the dumb asses not wanting to take responsibility. If F$*King pisses me off. One person wants to blame it on parents, parents blame media, entertainment. Its all SH!T. How about you wake up and realize its boths fault and take some damn responsibility. If the game didn't exist 7 year olds wouldn't be getting their minds FU@KED up and if parents, society paid more attention they wouldn't allow this crap to exist in the first place.
This stuff does have an effect on people and its not good for any 7 year old to think its cool to kill people. WTF has our country gotten into? It's a joke and I have no problem with censorship, which is legal all you liberal morons that want to read into the Constitution too much crap that isn't there and never was intended to be read the way they are today. Read your history books, the Federalist Papers, and many journals of the leaders then tell you clearly what they intended, AS IT IS THEM WRITING THIS STUFF. |
Craig (Beachbum)
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Username: Beachbum
Post Number: 18
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, November 28, 2002 - 8:28 am: | |
blaming anybody but the perpatrator is rediculous, tipical liberal dribble, nobody is responcible for there actions, its always somebody elses fault, at work a couple years ago i took a rep from holland out to lunch, when i took the keys out of the truck and asked him to lock it he got a funny look on his face and asked why i was doing that, i asked him, why he was asking, he said in holland everybody just leaves the keys in the car and doesnt lock them, i asked why nobody steals the car? he said first offence for stealing a car is 10 years in jail, no parole, nobody steals cars in holland |
Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 3301
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 5:00 am: | |
I WAS ABUSED AS A CHILD! |
BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member
Username: Bretm
Post Number: 2959
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 4:45 pm: | |
I haven't gone deer hunting in like two, three years to be honest, I was always so busy with hockey that I couldn't take any weekends off cause of games and all. Now I have this Ferrari thing which consumes a lot of time. We have a club up in the catskills, so I got to go up there like a month and a half ago with my dad to help him get some of the stands ready, and some other preparation work, I also got to romp around in the jeep which is always fun. Rifle season opened on Monday and I haven't talked to my dad since, I think he's back by now, I have to see if he got one. He didn't get anything bow season either. I laugh at him, he still has his bow set up like he was 30 years old, watching him try to pull it back always warrants chuckling to his dismay. As Hemingway said, there are only three real sports; auto racing, bull fighting, and hunting. Most people on here don't realize that one of Italy's largest productions if firearms, namely from Beretta and Benelli. Where do you think the Italian economy would be without Beretta supplying the 9mm 92 to everybody and their brother in law enforcement and the military. |
TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 1859
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 3:56 pm: | |
Bret
You been out in the woods this fall yet? Can't tell you how many racks I missed with my bow. I think my eyesight is going |
BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member
Username: Bretm
Post Number: 2956
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 3:47 pm: | |
I agree with you that there is responsibility in gun ownership, even though it is a right. I just worry about these laws because someone that does handle a firearm properly, like myself, might get burned down the road by one of them. In a perfect world I would not, but they put people away wrongly for murder which makes a confusion at this level a lot easier to see happening.
The gun laws in general in this country are getting really jerked off. My personal favorites are the ones related to pistols. Like not being able to buy one until you're 21, because I mean if you were to buy one at 18 like other firearms than you would clearly take this pistol and murder no less than a dozen people. Because those 3 years change you from a lunatic to an honest citizen... And not being able to take pistols across state lines without special permits (which in the liberal northeast are very difficult to get). Because if I take a gun across the stateline into new york, 3 miles north of my house, I'm naturally going to begin a killing spree. Whereas if I keep it in my own state it would magically change things. The gun laws look like they were written by a retarded 3rd grader. The bottom line is that no matter what, criminals will always have acess to guns, increased legislation 99% of the time only hurts honest citizens. So now at college in CT for instance in my apartment I have no way of protecting myself should anyone ever break in, because I can't bring a pistol here without becoming a criminal myself. Ridiculous. |
arthur chambers (Art355)
Member
Username: Art355
Post Number: 811
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 3:25 pm: | |
Brett:
The devil is in the details. Was the gun not locked up? Was it in plane sight? Was it taken by a house guest? The particulars would determine whether or not the owner should be held liable. We would need more facts. I certainly can see inistances where the homeowner should be held 100% liable (has an insane person over, gun in plain sight, knew the insane person would use the gun, etc.), and other instances where they would be blameless (gun locked in safe, house broken into, safe blown, gun stolen and used). Depends upon the circumstances.
Art |
BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member
Username: Bretm
Post Number: 2952
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 2:48 pm: | |
Yeah, but we're talking about an unloaded, unlocked gun is left in your house and stolen. That's like leaving your car in your garage, car unlocked, without the keys in it and having it stolen. |
arthur chambers (Art355)
Member
Username: Art355
Post Number: 810
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 2:40 pm: | |
Brett:
They do make you liable civily if you leave the keys in the vehicle on a public road. Makes sense, makes it too easy to steal, and bad things happen when cars get stolen. Nothing wrong with making people responsible for their behavior.
Art |
BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member
Username: Bretm
Post Number: 2951
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 2:32 pm: | |
Do they also make you criminally negligent if someone steals your unlocked car and mows down a pedestrian?.... Of course not, even though car ownership is a privilege whereas gun ownership is a God given right. Pretty justified system. |
arthur chambers (Art355)
Member
Username: Art355
Post Number: 809
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 2:26 pm: | |
In California there is criminal liablity if you don't lock your gun up, and it gets used in a crime. Good idea, makes the person who owns the gun be personally responsible for it.
Art |
Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
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Username: Amenasce
Post Number: 377
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 2:06 pm: | |
blaming videogames is just lame .
I have GTA , GTA 2 , GTA 3 and GTA VC ..and other politically incorrect games , and yet , i dont kill , dont steal cars , dont run over people..and i never had parent watching my back 24/7 ...
Some people are just •••••• in the head more than others. |
Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member
Username: Timn88
Post Number: 1633
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 8:22 pm: | |
ryan, it does, but not the sense i meant it. |
Ryanab (Ryanab)
Junior Member
Username: Ryanab
Post Number: 156
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 8:00 pm: | |
Oh yeah Ed, that "fellow" was supposted be watching the kid for his parents.. Just be responsible and make sure that a 15 year old never touches any gun without the owner around. |
Ryanab (Ryanab)
Junior Member
Username: Ryanab
Post Number: 155
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 7:56 pm: | |
Ed - I think that when one owns a gun, you must have a certain level of responsibility. That gun should have been locked up and should have never found its way into the hands of that kid.. Think of it this way, if the 15 year old found it, well obviously it was not a good place to keep it. If the owner was responsible, that senseless tragedy could have been prevented. So yes, throw the book at anyone who cannot store their weapon safely and away from children.
Tim - Does that not fall under the catagory of raising children? Monitoring what they are doing? In this case he was 19 and fully knew what he was doing. Duh. Weak defense, but I guess he will never take responsibility for his actions....
RK |
Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member
Username: Timn88
Post Number: 1630
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 5:43 pm: | |
such crap...thats all i have to say. |
Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member
Username: Irfgt
Post Number: 2268
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 4:54 pm: | |
What about the fellow in Florida that was found negligent because a kid stole a gun from his house and shot a teacher with it. Something is WRONG with the judicial system. |
Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member
Username: Timn88
Post Number: 1624
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 3:02 pm: | |
ryan, it seems like you think its the parents fault for letting the kids pkay the video game. i diagree with that. its the parents job for not reaising their kids properly. how can a kid not know stealing cars is wrong? |
Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member
Username: Timn88
Post Number: 1623
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 3:01 pm: | |
Ryan, thats exactly it. The parents need to blame something becase they did a shitty job raising thier kids. this pisses me off. This is what happenes when kids are raised by babysitters and day care centers. |
Ryanab (Ryanab)
Junior Member
Username: Ryanab
Post Number: 151
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 12:08 pm: | |
Easy to blame a video game rather than point the finger at the PARENTS. why were they not monitoring what he was playing/doing???? argg!!! |
Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member
Username: Mr_0011
Post Number: 342
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, November 16, 2002 - 4:05 pm: | |
And how the hell does somebody steal 100 cars? Oh... he was probably inspired by "Gone in 60 Seconds" too... lord... |
Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member
Username: Mr_0011
Post Number: 341
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, November 16, 2002 - 4:04 pm: | |
Crazy guy get's in a lot of trouble... then tells detective he was 'inspired' by GTA... well what do you know? It's on CNN's website... jez, the media is full of it... |
William Huber (Solipsist)
Member
Username: Solipsist
Post Number: 476
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 11:13 pm: | |
I have it as well. When I first got it, I couldn't understand how a game like this exist. I later found out that the game was banned in Australia for too much violence & adult content. When I was up in Ft Worth 2 weeks ago, my ex's 7 year old child was asking me if I had played it. I ask him how he knew about the game. He plays it all the time at a friends house, he said its fun to shoot people & run them down the stolen cars. I then ratted him out to his mommy that he must never play that game again & why. (not likely) I guess our society is getting more desensitized to behavior such as this on a entertainment level. Very disturbing folks, get a grip.
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Randy (Schatten)
Member
Username: Schatten
Post Number: 453
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 8:01 pm: | |
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/fun.games/11/14/teen.game.ap/index.html
I'm a GTA3 fan myself, and haven't picked up GTAVC...yet! However, I will say this, anyone under the age of 25... and I do mean 25 years of age, should not be allowed to play this game. You can get wrapped up in it, and I think it takes a bit of separation from reality after a while, even if it is comic-game-related. |