| Author | Message | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Member Username: Ross Post Number: 684 Registered: 3-2002 |
there was an article in autocar this week about the new audi tt dsg (stands for direct shift gearbox). although i am no fan of that car, the article made a big deal about this new gearbox and how it had finally sorted out the whole f1 type of system, better than porsche or ferrari etc. not being mechanically inclined i can't really refute any of what they said, but has anybody else heard of this dsg box? | ||
| Bart Bosmans (Bel)
Junior Member Username: Bel Post Number: 67 Registered: 11-2002 |
Just sold my porsche Roock 996 C2 and was thinking of a 996 TT Tip or a 360 Modena F1 so tested them both. Result :i'm going to pick-up my 360 F1 next week. The tiptronic didn't gave me the same satisfaction (sportivity) as 360 F1 or the SMG II on the M3 gave me. Bart | ||
| Todd (Tkrefeld)
Junior Member Username: Tkrefeld Post Number: 137 Registered: 11-2001 |
Ernesto... You actually first hand know of people who have good running 911 TURBOS who regretted it? and, althoiugh Ferrari wins in the looks dept. I think most consider the 911 Turbo an exotic. | ||
| Julian Bowman (Julian)
New member Username: Julian Post Number: 32 Registered: 4-2002 |
Well Nebula class, glad to have your input. Can you tell me what you base your opinions are based on? I guess you haven't updated your profile to include which Porsches you own. | ||
| ken rentiers (Rentiers)
New member Username: Rentiers Post Number: 9 Registered: 2-2003 |
The TipoTronic is a true automatic hydraulic transmission, the unit Ferrari uses (except for the GM auto in the 456GTA) is a manual transmission with an electro-hydraulic clutch. You pull the trigger, the manual shifts. Interestingly this was first seen as the "EKS" option in the RUF variant of Porsches. All same thing BMW, etc, etc. A true manual may have a durability advantage over the F1 style on the street, there is no question the F1 is faster on the track. I have driven the Cambiocorsa in the Maserati as well, prefer the manual. As for Porsche Turbos .v Ferraris, the numbers don't tell the whole story. My 328 is much slower and 10 times as much fun as my old 993 Turbo. When did you ever hear of a passionate German? Finally, imho, tipotronics are for hairdressers. -ken- | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Junior Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 77 Registered: 11-2002 |
The tiptronic is no good. I have a 02 C4 Cabrio and when I was shopping around I tried both quite a bit, and every time I take my car in for service I get a tiptronic Boxter for a loaner car. You will be dissappointed. It is sluggish at best and you really might as well leave it in full auto mode. If you don't know how to drive stick, learn, it will be worth it. I personally love Porsches. I'm on a quest to collect some of the greats in their illustrious past. I do think the more recent models have been kind of "whored" out. I do miss the clean lines of the old RS's or the comically exaggerated curves of the 930's. The new ones are lacking a lot of the character the old ones had. Sad direction they're headed I feel. Pretty silly ramblings from someone who has one and whose wife put an order for a Cayenne. Don't get me started on that one... | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1181 Registered: 2-2001 |
I know plenty of people who have regretted buying a Porsche... just like any other car... BTW, I dont consider P-Cars exotic.. they are very fast, dependable, comfortable cars... but they dont have an exotic aura around them. Not that that's bad, just different. Ernesto | ||
| Todd (Tkrefeld)
Junior Member Username: Tkrefeld Post Number: 135 Registered: 11-2001 |
I love the Modena and all, but no one can really argue that a 996 turbo is a flat out bargain and best bang for the buck euro exotic there is. (new cars) Period. You can track it(it has the older 964/993 case unlike the carrera 996), parts are cheap for an exotic, it fricking screams, handles, gets good MPG, is durable and dependable as ••••, and you can go around town with the kids or dog in the back.... I know of no-one with a POrsche turbo who has regretted it.New or old. | ||
| neal (95spiderneal)
Junior Member Username: 95spiderneal Post Number: 78 Registered: 3-2002 |
excellence mag had story with danny sullivan track testing 996 turbo man vs tip and guess which was faster? he also thought tip was more enjoyable in addition to being faster. bottom line is which pcar will you get with tip. boxst is much better with man, turbo with tip, etc. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1777 Registered: 8-2002 |
LOL, i have no clue what term they use... Obviously i don't know about Jag, either, maybe they should consider the term 'slowtronic'... Thank you, though- you weren't giving me a hard time, you actually taught me something...  If her MerceDES even has a tiptronic-type transmission, i don't know- i never used it- never had to. | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Junior Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 83 Registered: 1-2003 |
Just had to give you a hard time. I do not even know the term that Jag uses for their transmission. I know BMW uses Steptronic for their Tiptronic type transmission and SMG (Sequential Manual Gearbox) for their F1 type transmission in the M3. What term does M/B use? | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1775 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jere, there is definitely not a Porsche transmission in my boss' car... Maybe the term 'tiptronic' is exclusive to Porsche, and in that case, i'm misusing the term... Otherwise, that's what it is, or some similar derivative... The Jag doesn't have a lot of power and i'd take his wife's Benz over his car, anyday... | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Junior Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 82 Registered: 1-2003 |
Hmmm, a Porsche transmission in a Jaguar. Interesting combination. I did not even know they were talking of joining up. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1760 Registered: 8-2002 |
My boss' Jag has a tiptronic transmission- my personal opinion is that if you want speed and performance from a car- get a stick. Leave the tiptronics for those who are too lazy or inexperienced to drive a stick. Of course, that's just my personal opinion... | ||
| Noelrp (Noelrp)
Junior Member Username: Noelrp Post Number: 165 Registered: 8-2001 |
If it's the fast shifting you're after, then the Tip may be the right tranny for you. I like my exotic car to be able to do donuts, chirp on 2 or 3 gear, and also peel/power shift to impress friends. Now, I cannot do that if I have an auto-tranny. | ||
| Parker (Fletch)
New member Username: Fletch Post Number: 31 Registered: 3-2002 |
Yes, I am aware that the Porsche Tiptronic S is not an electro-hydraulic F1 system. If, as you said, it is a heavy-duty fast-shifting automatic transmission, then what is so wrong with it? I mean the point of the transmission is to shift the car from gear to gear as fast as possible and as smooth as possible. If the Porsche system is just as fast as the Ferrari system, yet a whole lot smoother and more reliable, then why is it so bad? I am not trying to bash Ferrari. I am a huge fan and always have been. I am just wondering why you guys are bashing the Porsche Tiptronic system for being �basically a glorified automatic transmission� if it shifts as fast as Ferrari�s F1 system? | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Junior Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 71 Registered: 1-2003 |
Porsche may tell you it will shift in .2 seconds but they do not tell you of the lag from the time you shift until the tranny actually makes the shift. Being an automatic transmission, when you move the shifter, hydraulic fluids have to move to new positions thru valves and checkballs before the shift is actually made. This takes a fraction of a second also. You will actually need to anticipate the shift and make the shift just a hair before you actually want it to because it will take that long for the pressures to transfer in the valve body. It also kind of slides into gear slightly. It is not the clear, clean positive gear change that comes from a nmanual gearbox. Unless you are quite proficient as a driver, I do not think you can make the "Tip" perform up to the hype that surrounds it. If it were the way to go, why did Porsche choose to use manual gearboxes at the 24 Hours of Daytona? Why do you think the governing body had Ferrari move from the gated box shift to the paddles after testing and finding out that the Ferraris were turning as quick or quicker laps times than the Porsches? But then, that is another question altogether. Hmmmmmm!!!! | ||
| Noelrp (Noelrp)
Junior Member Username: Noelrp Post Number: 164 Registered: 8-2001 |
It is not an F-1 gearbox. It is nothing but an overly-hyped, heavy-duty, fast-shifting auto transmission from Mercedes. And Porsche calls it "Tiptronic S." | ||
| Parker (Fletch)
New member Username: Fletch Post Number: 30 Registered: 3-2002 |
Thanks for the help. Nebula - Your comment about why Porsche made the Tiptronic is just a little sexist don't ya think. Anyway, the main reason I am considering the Tiptronic S is because Porsche says it can make smooth shifts in 0.2 seconds. This is faster than I can shift with a regular manual and I bet it is faster than a lot of other people can either (professionals not included). I love the Ferrari F1 system, but I have heard nothing but bad comments about how jerky it is and how many problems people keep having with it (clutch wear, dropping into neutral, etc.). I want to get a toy and was originally considering a 355 F1 (360 is a little out of my price range). Several 355 owners I know also have the new Porsche 911 (996) Turbo. They all said that the Porsche is just easier to live with and a whole lot cheaper to own. Since I like the concept of the Ferrari F1 system, I thought the Porsche Tiptronic S system might offer a similar driving experience (yes, even though it is technically an automatic instead of an electro-hydraulic system). Any thoughts on this? | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2227 Registered: 6-2001 |
Audi is making one too, its called the DSG or something. it has some crazy system where when it shifts the power isnt inerrupted. http://www.audiusa.com/future | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1730 Registered: 8-2002 |
I had one as a loaner so I drove it like I stole it. It was fun for a few miles but then I left it in automatic mode. I found it more of a novility then a tool. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1164 Registered: 2-2001 |
Toyota, Aston Martin, and BMW use real manuals in their F1 style trannies. I think Mitsubishi also does in Japan... The Lambo Gallardo is also rumored to have one of these. Ernesto | ||
| Nebula Class (Nebulaclass)
Junior Member Username: Nebulaclass Post Number: 187 Registered: 11-2002 |
There is a display on the dash. The Porsche Tip, in my opinion, is no different that the Mistubishi Sportronic. Regardless of how cute Porche or ANYONE packages it up, it is still an automatic. All of the "sport" autos you see are nothing but autos that can shift a tad bit quicker than their more mundane sisters. Ferrari, I beleive, is the only manufacturer that uses a real manual tranny, which of course makes it feel TEN TIMES better. My opnion? Stay away from the Tiptronic. Porsche made it so that women would be able to drive thier cars. | ||
| Parker (Fletch)
New member Username: Fletch Post Number: 29 Registered: 3-2002 |
I have a few questions for those of you that either own a Porsche with the Tiptronic S transmission or have experience with one. 1. How do you tell what gear you are in? Is there a display in the dash that shows the currently selected gear, like on the Ferrari F1 and BMW SMG cars? 2. In general, what do you think of the Porsche Tiptronic S transmission? Thanks in advance. |