| Author | Message | ||
| Todd (Tkrefeld)
Junior Member Username: Tkrefeld Post Number: 131 Registered: 11-2001 |
wow, that was intense, i just gave myself a headache lol | ||
| Todd (Tkrefeld)
Junior Member Username: Tkrefeld Post Number: 128 Registered: 11-2001 |
"Honestly, the way I see it America is the only place I've ever seen where adults aren't required to take resposibility for their actions as long as they can find an excuse. So can we really expect the children to turn out any better?" Good point, and sad but true. Although this is the best country in lot of ways, the "people" are getting MUCH worse. Consume, waste, lie about anything and everything, use anyone you can and dispose of them, shirk any responsibility, wine and cry to get what you want, and by all means don't liten to anyone else. I mean what could anyone else know that you don't?? And I see many others this way. Most of the 30 something people I meet are just as bad if not WORSE. They are adults and have more power now. I can't count on two hands the amount of spoiled, inconsiderate 30 and early 40's people I meet on a daily basis. EVERYTHING revolves around them. And I mean everything..Unreal for and adult that age. but, with the way things have been lately I do see more "goodness" coming back. I see less political correctness, more hard work, less ultra-snobs, ect...If war takes the US to ••••, these are the people who will survive. If you read statictics you will not believe some of them. The amount of waste and BS people get away with, usually because they have more $ or credit. The only area I see where kids have it harder now is sometimes in the workplace. You used to get a decent job, work your whole life, get a pension, benefits ect. I have a cousin with a Masters from BU who cant even find a job that pays more than $9.50. And even if he does, and works there for 20 years, who to say they wont phase him out or go under and take his 401 with them. Things are not that way anymore...I am quite interested to see what happens around here in the next 40 or so years..Lawsuits are unreal. Guy gets hurt, needs $50,000 to cover his medical and some jury awards him $10 million...Lawyers pushing to sue whoever and whenever, Doctors just up and quitting,,,bla bla bla...I like the early 70's. I'd stay there if I could | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Junior Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 109 Registered: 1-2003 |
Personally with the job that the govt. does in cleaning up its own messes and running itself, I do not want govt. assistance in raising my son. I can think of a good number of men and women and some of them that are on this forum that I would rather have assisting me. I do not agree with all the new age philosophy about raising children. I believe they have been given the opportunity to make too many of their own choices and we all know that when we are young we go for the easy way, not necessarily the best way. Help them make the choices but make them in the right direction. I know too often when going out to eat, if we haven't already decided where we are going first, I might say, "where should we go to eat"? My wife usually says "wherever you want to go". My son nearly always says either CiCi's Pizza or Taco Bell. Boy am I glad I do not let him make all my decisions for me. | ||
| Fayyaz Vellani (Fvellani)
New member Username: Fvellani Post Number: 20 Registered: 8-2002 |
About doing 2-4.5 hours of hmwk a night...I sure dont do 2 hours of homework a night, most of the time I do less than 30 minutes...Most of my friends do less than an hour a night too... | ||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Junior Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 214 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jere I agree with your statement "I just think that by inserting it into our everyday conversation, we exhibit a certain amount of disregard for others". I personally am not offended by fowl language but I think we need to be sensitive to those that are. I also agree with Randall's statement "Honestly, the way I see it America is the only place I've ever seen where adults aren't required to take resposibility for their actions as long as they can find an excuse". We have become a society of people who do not want to take personal responsibility for what is going on around us, instead we want the Government to solve all our problems! | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Junior Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 108 Registered: 1-2003 |
I hear quite a lot of swearing and such, so I have become almost immune to it myself, I just do not want it used around my wife and son if something else could be used to express the same statement. Surely our vocabularies are not so limited as to having to use some of the language that gets spokesn. I am not a prude and certainly have been known to use it myself sometimes. I just think that by inserting it into our everyday conversation, we exhibit a certain amount of disregard for others. As far as kids learning disrespect from their parents, this is one way. If the parents use abusive,foul, dirty or just obscene language around the kids, this is what they learn to use. The article was aimed at kids and used f_____, GD several times. Does this man use language like this around his own children and then question them about respect. As someone else said, "we must first clean up our own backyard". And as Paul said in the Bible, "we must first get the log out our own eye before asking others to remove the splinter from theirs". | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2274 Registered: 6-2001 |
2-4.5hrs? are they nuts?? i spent 1 hour at most. usually i did no homework at all. i had enough time to get it all done during the school day during periods where i didnt have class. I only do 2-4.5 hours of homework 2 times a week, 3 tops, at college. | ||
| Randall Booth (Randall)
Junior Member Username: Randall Post Number: 61 Registered: 1-2003 |
"The average HS student spends 2 1/2 - 4 hours a NIGHT on homework." Where do ya get this number? As I see it kids are turning out worse and worse. Just more and more spoiled with less values, lower respect for others and it seems that there are so many these days w/o any respect for the law. Honestly, the way I see it America is the only place I've ever seen where adults aren't required to take resposibility for their actions as long as they can find an excuse. So can we really expect the children to turn out any better? | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 491 Registered: 3-2002 |
It's harder.... You guys won't last five minutes in the 00's... :p | ||
| Fayyaz Vellani (Fvellani)
New member Username: Fvellani Post Number: 19 Registered: 8-2002 |
I agree with some of what you guys are saying...theres alot of kids these days who don't respect their elders, dont have manners, etc., but I think the majority are pretty good... My friends and I, yea we do some stupid stuff sometimes, but we do respect our elders, thats a very big thing in our community...most of my friends don't even drink, smoke, or do any drugs (me especially...)... I think that some of the stuff the guy was saying in the original post is a reason why some kids are bad today...drugs ARE way more accessible now, even at my school, which is a private school, you can get weed at literally any time of the day...alcohol is easy to get, theres even some kids at the school who do hard drugs on a regular basis...some parents let TV and the internet raise their kids, rather than raising the kid right, themselves... And about the language in the post...I dont really mind, swearing isnt a big deal for me...and Jere, my dad doesn't swear around me (unless hes either really pissed, or he did something like drop a hammer on his foot  ) | ||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Junior Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 197 Registered: 11-2002 |
Mabey doing all that homework will keep the little brats out of trouble. Actually I don't think it is easier nowadays I think it's harder. Even more of a reason why good parenting skills are essential. I guess what I was trying to say is they need to learn a little more respect and manners. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 456 Registered: 4-2002 |
Kids now days have 2.5 - 3x more homework than kids from teh 70's - early 80's. They are expected to know MUCH more at a much earlier age, and are expected to be more mature sooner. The average HS student spends 2 1/2 - 4 hours a NIGHT on homework. How much did you do? It's easy to say it's easier now days. How about, they have more cool stuff than we had when we where growing up. However, we are old enough to drive Ferrari's and they just drive them on TV. ;) | ||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Junior Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 195 Registered: 11-2002 |
No offense taken Damon! | ||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Junior Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 194 Registered: 11-2002 |
We did not have computers at all in school when I went. I did not learn about them until I joined the Navy! | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2250 Registered: 6-2001 |
You're darn right we had/have it easier. Im not going to complain about things being easier for me though. I could not imagine a time when everyone didnt have a computer in their room hooked up to a schoolwide network and half the classrooms dont have a computer at every desk. | ||
| Damon Bottorff (Prova7)
New member Username: Prova7 Post Number: 9 Registered: 7-2002 |
Sorry if the language was out of place, I was hoping everyone would realize that this is blazing satire! | ||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Junior Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 187 Registered: 11-2002 |
My wife and I try to teach our kids much the same way as our parents did with some minor modifications. They are both great kids as a result. I also think kids today are not challenged enough to really excell. Kids are like sponges when it comes to learning. All one need do is invest the time in them and they will learn just about anything. Its really about how much you want to be a parent. I would guess a large majority of kids today spend more time in front of the TV or playing video games than they do reading a book! It's an easy way for lazy parents to keep thier kids occupied. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1825 Registered: 8-2002 |
Charles, your statement comes dangerously close to some family of mine and i couldn't agree more; that was very well put... Kids today are spoiled rotten and aren't taught morals, values or anything else that needs to be known... Everything is handed to them without them being shown the value and they take everything for granted... If something breaks or runs out or gets ruined or tossed aside or forgotten about, it's immediately replaced without a second thought or question. Now some might miscontstrue this as jealousy, but it's not- maybe i didn't have the things kids have today, when i was a kid, but morals were free back then and there were plenty of those to go around... | ||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Junior Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 184 Registered: 11-2002 |
The language may not have been great but the point is a good one. Most kids today are just spoiled little brats because thier parents are to self absorbed to raise them right. They need to learn respect for thier elders and some manners! | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1823 Registered: 8-2002 |
i agree that, in some ways, kids today have it easier than back when kids were kids when i was kid (did that just make sense?)... However, i believe, in other ways, kids today have it a lot harder than i did when i was a kid... Sure they have the cartoon network to come home to, but it's also easier for kids to access drugs now, than it's ever been- i don't care what school district you're in...! Just some basic examples to compare, going back and forth and you'll see what i mean... Now, you wanna talk walkin' to school, humph, that's a different story...! | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Junior Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 100 Registered: 1-2003 |
I wonder what age group he was addressing that to using the language he did. I do not use that language around my son and hope he wouldn't either. Otherwise, things are always changing no matter how much they stay the same. Now, can I tell you what it was like in the 60's? | ||
| Damon Bottorff (Prova7)
New member Username: Prova7 Post Number: 7 Registered: 7-2002 |
This is from another message board. I myself will be old (30!) in another month, but maybe this will help some of you guys relate to your kids =) When I was a kid adults used to bore me to tears with their tedious diatribes about how hard things were when they were growing up; what with walking twenty-five miles to school every morning uphill both ways through year 'round blizards carrying their younger siblings on their backs to their one-room schoolhouse where they maintained a straight-A average despite their full-time after-school job at the local textile mill where they worked for 35 cents an hour just to help keep their family from starving to death, blah blah blah... And I remember promising myself that when I grew up there was no way in hell I was going to lay a bunch of crap like that on kids about how hard I had it and how easy they've got it! But...Now that I've reached the ripe old age of thirty-one, I can't help but look around and notice the youth of today. You've got it so fuckin' easy! I mean, compared to my childhood, you live in a goddamned Utopia! And I hate to say it but you kids today you don't know how good you've got it! When I was a kid we didn't have The Internet--we wanted to know something, we had to go to the goddamned library and look it up ourselves! And there was no email! We had to actually write somebody a letter--with a pen!--and then you had to walk all the way across the street and put it in the fuckin' mailbox and it would take like a week to get there! There were no MP3s or Napsters! You wanted to steal music, you had to go to the goddamned record store and shoplift it yourself! Or we had to wait around all day to tape it off the radio and the DJ would usually talk over the begining and F it all up! You want to hear about hardship? You couldn't just download porn! You had to bribe some homeless dude to buy you a copy of "Hustler" at the 7-11! It was either that or beat off to the lingerie section of the JC Penney catalog! Those were your options! We didn't have fancy •••• like Call Waiting! If you were on the phone and somebody else called they got a busy signal! And we didn't have Caller ID Boxes either! When the the phone rang, you had no idea who it was it could be your boss, your mom, a collections agent, your drug dealer, you didn't know!!! You just had to pick it up and take your chances, mister! We didn't have any fancy Sony Playstation videogames with high-resolution 3-D graphics! We had the Atari 00! With games like "Space Invaders" and "Asteroids" and the graphics sucked ass! Your guy was a little square! You had to use your imagination! And there were no multiple levels or screens, it was just one screen forever! And you could never win, the game just kept getting harder and faster until you died! Just like LIFE! When you went to the movie theater there no such thing as stadium seating! All the seats were the same height! A tall guy sat in front of you, you were screwed! And sure, we had cable television, but back then that was only like 15 channels and there was no onscreen menu! You had to use a little book called a TV Guide to find out what was on! Remote, what remote?? You had to get off your fat ass and change the friggin channel!!! CD's, DVD's, Webcams, Pentium IV What the hell is that?? And there was no Cartoon Network! You could only get cartoons on Saturday morning... ...Do ya hear what the hell I'm saying!?! We had to wait ALL WEEK, you spoiled little bastards! That's exactly what I'm talking about! You kids today have got it too easy! You're spoiled rotten, I swear to God, you guys wouldn't last five minutes back in 1980! |