| Author | Message | ||
| Homer P. Hampton (Homer_h)
New member Username: Homer_h Post Number: 14 Registered: 2-2003 |
Tim, of course his religion caught on. It caught on for the same reasons why Christianity caught on. People back then didn�t have the scientific knowledge, reasoning or understanding of how the world worked so some wacky guys just made up a lot of crap to fill in the missing blanks. Of course nobody disputed what they wrote because they weren�t capable of proving these statements were false. Now we know better. I bet when these guys were writing these fantasy books (bible, Koran, etc.), they had no idea how much trouble they were going to cause for many generations to come. | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 840 Registered: 5-2002 |
The NVA is sending Jane Fonda over to give him a big hug and wish him well. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 710 Registered: 10-2002 |
JRV I bet the Montegand hill people could get him to talk... | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 664 Registered: 5-2001 |
Alan Dershowitz said what???????????????? Yes, that is who said it. I saw it myself one morning last year on the Today Show. | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 663 Registered: 5-2001 |
I think I can see which direction this thread is about to take... | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2536 Registered: 6-2001 |
His religion was founded by a whacked out caravan leader 1500 years ago. Its amazing that it even caught on. And even so, why is he going to heaven or the muslim equivelent? I doubt in the koran that it says that killing people will get you into heaven. Just because he believes hes going to heaven doesnt mean he is. Isnt it still the same god? Technically under my religion, he still has the chance to go to heaven. Under other forms of christianity he doesnt, depending on if he was predestined to go. either way you look at it, its doubtful. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 2615 Registered: 8-2002 |
"When he does die st. peter will know what to do with him and he will wish he was back in that cell." Tim, he doesn't believe in St. Peter, his faith in his religion is entirely different; when he dies, if he did the things they say he did, he'll be in heaven. Matt, he was never an american or an american citizen, so he had no rights here, anyway; however he DID have rights in his own country and if his government put him up to the things he allegedly did, then he still has his rights. Things are different when looked at from a perspective unlike the presumably domestic. In his world, if his government put him up to things he supposedly did, he's a hero. To them, he's done nothing wrong; he scored another point for his team against the 'infidels'; hard to imagine that i ever did anything wrong to this guy or his country or his people or his religion for him to feel the way he does about americans- i wonder if our government ever did anything to them... nah... not possible... our government would never do anything to anyone else... | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1061 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>Unfortunately, it cuts both ways. Iraqis raped male and female American POWs during the gulf war. << Yea...shoulda seen what they did to you in Nam...and if you were lucky they killed you. | ||
| Erich Walz (Deleteall)
Junior Member Username: Deleteall Post Number: 183 Registered: 12-2001 |
"I guess after a Camel has his way with you for few days you start singing like a canary." Unfortunately, it cuts both ways. Iraqis raped male and female American POWs during the gulf war. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2535 Registered: 6-2001 |
No reason to kill this guy. That would make him a martyr, and thats probably what he wants. I say he just spends the rest of his days in a cell. When he does die st. peter will know what to do with him and he will wish he was back in that cell. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1060 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>Second, they commented that most of the techniques are still being used today. << I guess after a Camel has his way with you for few days you start singing like a canary. | ||
| Erich Walz (Deleteall)
Junior Member Username: Deleteall Post Number: 182 Registered: 12-2001 |
Alan Dershowitz said what???????????????? Not saying he's wrong, just can't imagine him saying that. There used to be a book at my high school called, "Methods of execution and torture". First, some truly scary stuff that would cause unimaginable pain. Second, they commented that most of the techniques are still being used today. | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 662 Registered: 5-2001 |
I love it | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1058 Registered: 11-2002 |
Guess they know the right trix over there. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/WorldNewsTonight/binladen030305.html | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 661 Registered: 5-2001 |
That Lawyer Alen D. From Harvard, OJ etc. made the best arguement for regulated torture I have heard yet. He posed a hypothetical question to someone. He asked if their child where kidnapped and someone involved was caught and knew information that would save that child's life who would otherwise die in the next 24 hours and wasn't talking; would they agree to apply regulated torture techniques to get the info needed to save their child's life? Of course they would. Who wouldn't? I can't imagine anyone who would chose to let their child die in order to prevent non-leathal torture applications on a scumbag-child killer. He concluded by pointing out how selfish and hypocritical it is to say it's alright if it's your child but it's not alright if it's someone else's child. How many people here would let their child die to protect the rights of child-killers? Remember, this is not far-fetched. Children are kidnapped everyday somewhere and people do get caught. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 707 Registered: 10-2002 |
He's talking. | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Junior Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 168 Registered: 1-2003 |
Oh, and feed him nothing but pork. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1024 Registered: 6-2001 |
We don't need to torture him. Use chemicals, then kill him if he did it. A trial if needed, with TV coverage. Dave: We created bin laden, not Pakistan. He's a CIA creation. Used him to cause the Soviets grief. Our own creation came back to haunt us. | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Junior Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 167 Registered: 1-2003 |
How about these people now who are saying we are probably "torturing" him and torture is inhumane and should not be allowed. That's right, let's rehabilitate him and put him back on the street--NOT!!! He is not a citizen of the US so he has not US rights. He is a mass murderer and was not afraid to show just how ruthless he is by slicing Mr. Pearls throat on camera. He who lives by the sword. I agree about not martyring him. Juice him for all we can get and then just let him rot away in some rat infested, unlighted, no window 10x10 solitary room. If he dies on his own we don't tell anyone. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2078 Registered: 2-2001 |
What this KHM wants more than anything is to become a Martyr & blow himself up in some big dramatic way. Best bet is to keep him alive & let old age in a prison cell do the job, that way he never becomes a martyr, the US never kills him & he becomes forgotten after the decades roll on | ||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 214 Registered: 10-2002 |
Just start chopping off fingers. This is very simple to me. This guy gave up all his rights the second he became a terrorist. It's simply logical that in order to save a bunch of INNOCENT people we should have no problem doing ANYTHING it takes to get whatever we need from this terrorist. I'll do it for them and I have never met the guy. I think after we get everything from him we should kill him. He's garbage. However I am pretty sure he is already being "persuaded" in another country by someone that is very capable of getting whatever they want from him. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2076 Registered: 2-2001 |
according to the mags this guy is responsible for a whole long laundry list of stuff, like the 93 world trade center bombing, the US Cole, Daniel pearl, & of course Sept 11 + a whole lot more. Imagine if the Allies captured Goebels who knew where Hitler was, Would it be ok with you to torture Goebels to get Hitler ? Same thing here a wise man once said that " One must communicate with people in a language they understand" Clearly these animals simply understand brutality, hypocrisy, & violence, so they must be spoken to in that language After Hitler was released from Austrian prison after WW1for being rebelious he called his captors week for not killing him or brutalizing him | ||
| Jerry W. (Tork1966)
Member Username: Tork1966 Post Number: 510 Registered: 7-2001 |
Cool, let me go to the local jail with some whips and razors! | ||
| Randall Booth (Randall)
Junior Member Username: Randall Post Number: 125 Registered: 1-2003 |
I personally feel that if our government feels that we have the best system and laws that those laws should be applied to all prisoners, foriegn and domestic. If it's okay to torture this guy, then it should be okay to torture your local car thief or vandal. | ||
| MFZ (Kiyoharu)
New member Username: Kiyoharu Post Number: 29 Registered: 2-2003 |
Actually, the US trained and funded the people who would later form the Al Qaeda, it's true, it's true. Saddam was also one of the US most favored Middle Eastern ally, up until he decided to invade Kuwait. And the truth serum is called sodium penthotal. I don't support the terrorists, but I don't approve of the way the US is handling them either. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2072 Registered: 2-2001 |
I really hate violence but these guys really went looking for it. Karma is a biatch & she never forgets | ||
| Jerry W. (Tork1966)
Member Username: Tork1966 Post Number: 506 Registered: 7-2001 |
I can't frickin believe these bleeding heart liberals who are pissed off because we are torturing these animals. I'll bet if a family member of THEIRS had died on 9/11, they would feel differently. I say put razor blades between their front teeth and slice up into their gums. Then take an 18 volt Makita with a 1/4" Cadmium bit and drill into their ears. Lay their hands on a table and drill into their fingernails (with a 1/8" bit this time.) Slowly burn their entire bodies with a blow torch. Tie a horse to each limb and shoot a 44 magnum. Did I mention that I was in favor of torture? | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 2649 Registered: 8-2002 |
I liked his Hair Sweater...SUUUUUUUUUWWWWWWEEEEEEET. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 430 Registered: 3-2001 |
He will be 'persuaded' to talk for as long as the U.S. wants, then he will sit by himself for the rest of his days. He will never set foot on U.S. soil. The techniques they now have, must be so pharmacutically devious. Death would be preferable to what he will go through. And that's fine with me. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 836 Registered: 1-2002 |
Jim, the US did NOT want to announce it, but our "friends", the Pakistanis couldn't be stopped. They spilled the beans, no doubt partly to prove they are doing something against the terrorists in their midst, and partly to tip off the henchmen to run run run!!! After all, Pakistan created Al Queda...  | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 2604 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jim- the first thing i thought when i saw the cover of the newspaper yesterday was, "Holy crap, Ron Jeremy's a terrorist...!" ...then i read the caption beneath the photo...  | ||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 764 Registered: 7-2002 |
What I can't believe is the same day he is captured they announce it and the treasure chest of info he left behind. Why didnt they keep quiet for a few days to find the contacts and arrest them? Does anyone think he looks like the fat porn version of Ron Jeremy? | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 835 Registered: 1-2002 |
Oh, I believe he IS talking a bunch, since I believe he is fed 3 meals a day of sodium pentathol. But I think it is better not to mention he is talking, in order to create some comfort & complacency among his henchmen. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 2647 Registered: 8-2002 |
I see nothing wrong with Torture. THey would do it to us. Look what he did to Daniel Pearl. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 2600 Registered: 8-2002 |
i wonder, if he DOES talk, will we ever get the scoop on what he really says or just some edited "touched up" version that would be condusive to america agreeing to go to war... It's almost impossible to decipher what's being fed to us and what real truths slip through the cracks to the public... | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 639 Registered: 5-2001 |
Lots of stories going around about why we haven't rushed Khalid Shaikh Mohammed over here. If he is out of this country he can be "persuaded" to talk. Or at least just "persuaded". I think everyone here can guess how I feel about it. How do you guys feel about this technique? |