| Author | Message | ||
| ken rentiers (Rentiers)
Junior Member Username: Rentiers Post Number: 174 Registered: 2-2003 |
Jeffrey: "Spoilers work at any speed if big enough" Yeah sure if you want a World of Outlaws setup.  | ||
| Jeffrey Caspar (Jcaspar1)
Junior Member Username: Jcaspar1 Post Number: 84 Registered: 5-2002 |
Spoilers work at any speed if they are large enough! Still don't get the point of retracting it at low speed if it has no effect anyways. Why not make it bigger so it does work at 60 or 70 and then lower it as speed increases. Seems pointless the way it is. It does look cute though.  | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2126 Registered: 2-2001 |
I have a countach so you know I love big wings I like the GT2 also | ||
| Jaime Torres (Chevarri)
New member Username: Chevarri Post Number: 29 Registered: 1-2003 |
I always wondered what Porsche will do when they run out of nine's? 997 is around the corner, after 999 what will it be 999.911? | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 392 Registered: 7-2001 |
wm hart, those scoops are to ram air into the intercooler on the turbo cars. The intercooler sits right underneath the rear spoiler. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Junior Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 179 Registered: 11-2002 |
Well, in the non-turbo versions the wings also help cool the car. | ||
| TC (Houston) (Tec)
Junior Member Username: Tec Post Number: 72 Registered: 2-2002 |
Totally agree, ty. Ferrari is way ahead of Porsche in this respect. I was thinking about this a few weeks ago when I was following your Modena and all those 996's through the Texas countryside. The rears of the C2's and C4S's were absolutely beautiful until the spoilers popped up and the rubber accordian contraption is exposed. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 672 Registered: 8-2001 |
You guys don't like this?:  | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 670 Registered: 8-2001 |
I couldn't justify buying the 996 w/o the Aero package... Just something about it that makes it look empty. Don't get me wrong, its a beautiful car, but its just missing something. Same thing goes with the 993. My neighbor has a 993 Cab in this deep red wine color (whats the proper name of it!?) with the big whale tail. Simply beautiful. Basically this car (the same color) w/ the wing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2406651389&category=10156 | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 802 Registered: 12-2001 |
Saw one on a Turbo S yesterday that looked like it included additional air intakes for the engine, in a sort of tubular wraparound the rear spoiler. Was this an aftermarket thing? | ||
| ken rentiers (Rentiers)
Junior Member Username: Rentiers Post Number: 156 Registered: 2-2003 |
Spoilers don't begin to work at street speeds. On my old 911 the tail came up at about 75 mph, even that is optimistic. Spoilers have little effect below about 110-120 mph, after that it's exponential. So what the Boxster is doing is deploying the (high speed) areodynamic device early, so that if you DO increase speed even further, the car is already set to go. It might be uncomfortable, even unsafe to have the wing suddenly deploy at 120 mph!  | ||
| Jeffrey Caspar (Jcaspar1)
Junior Member Username: Jcaspar1 Post Number: 83 Registered: 5-2002 |
One thing I never understood about the smaller active spoilers on the Porsche Boxsters, 911's. If you are going to have an active spoiler, why not make it larger and higher at low speed and retract/lower it at high speed rather than the opposite? Seems silly to run all the electronics and motors to move the spoiler in the opposite direction that would best aid aerodynamics. | ||
| ken rentiers (Rentiers)
Junior Member Username: Rentiers Post Number: 154 Registered: 2-2003 |
Kinda correct. Ferrari just invested millions in a new wind tunnel which has now been in operation for several years. Utilizing this they have developed the "twin tunnel" downforce concept seen first on the F1 cars and now on the 360 and espcially the Enzo. The bottom of the car becomes a pair of inverted wings to pull the car down rather than lift it up. Earlier Ferraris had external spoilers: look at the F40, F50 and the Challenge cars. As for Porsche they try to balance classic looks with external spoilers by using retractable devices in some models.  The lead time on a new Porsche is much longer than Ferrari, since they are manufactured in much larger numbers whereas only a few thousand Ferraris are produced each year. Look at the Enzo production line, it is just one string of cars being largely hand-built . It's easy to make modifications as you go from one small series to another. Look for the 996 replacement to have much more advanced inbuilt aerodynamics. Also, the twin-grill appearance of the 360 is here to stay on forthcoming Ferraris as it is the functional result of all the underside downforce. | ||
| ty (360mode)
Junior Member Username: 360mode Post Number: 91 Registered: 9-2002 |
ok, i love porsches, have enjoyed many 993's and 996's. but, what is the company's infatuation with these big-a** spoilers, ground effects, aero-kits, etc. etc.... IMHO, the 996 has such awesome lines i just feel like it takes so much away from the cars inherent beauty. if it's really needed for that extra downforce, ok, but that isn't the reason for it 99% of the time... no flames intended, just curious if anyone else feels the same way. i know ferrari has a few street-models with wings, but for the most part the downforce is generated with design, not added stuff, correct? |