| Author | Message | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 1084 Registered: 1-2002 |
Yes, DB, I am. Your point? We also supply the vast majority of the budget of the PLO, and you see what that has gotten us. And the VAST majority of the humanitarian aid year in & year out in perpetually famin ridden Africa. And almost anywhere else there are humanitarian crises worldwide. To quote you, do we ever hear anything about that? No. Just b!tching about how "evil" America is. Bah. | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Intermediate Member Username: Ross Post Number: 1055 Registered: 3-2002 |
db, there is a difference (maybe only a subtle one to you granted), between supplying iraq with weapons in the 80's, and the french supplying them in the 90's. un sanctions disallowed trade in arms with iraq after the gulf war. france, russia and germany continued nevertheless. btw, did anybody else see that report about saddam's secret accounts everywhere, and there was one in particular code-named satan which had received funds in excess of $15mil from dassault and thompson, 2 french arms manufacturers.....not from arms dealers, middle men, dubai based arms wholesalers, etc etc, no these payments were from the manufacturers themselves..... | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 975 Registered: 5-2002 |
Gee, we supplied Saddam Hussein some weapons 20 years ago. Hmmmm, nothing could possibly change in 20 years, could it? Dave, are you aware that 100 years ago, the United States supplied horseshoes to foreign governments and that Saddam and his son's owned horses at their palace near Baghdad? I think that there has got to be an evil connection and a 100 year old back room conspiracy concerning those horseshoes. STOP THE HORSESHOE MADNESS!!! | ||
| D B (Threesixty)
Junior Member Username: Threesixty Post Number: 156 Registered: 8-2002 |
Dave, you are aware that the US supplied Saddam with weapons(I think it was the 80's?), do we ever hear anything about that? | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 288 Registered: 1-2003 |
The "well they know, but they won't tell you" theory is one I can't believe, sorry. It sits with me just as well as the "Israel is responsible for 9-11 theory". I suppose you have "peeps" that tell you the REAL story. Or maybe you pray to God and he tells you? | ||
| Jim Conforti (Lndshrk)
New member Username: Lndshrk Post Number: 44 Registered: 8-2002 |
Yes Randall.. statements. Unclassified public statements, which from the CIA and FBI on Intel matters are less reliable than the Enquirer and intentionally and rightfully so. If you look at Al Queda, Palestine, and Iraq as 3 sides of a triangle, you'd have a basic picture. | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 285 Registered: 1-2003 |
Actually, some of the info I have read is from CIA statements. Others are from FBI statements. It's wierd that niether of these organizations were ever able to make connections between Al Quaida and Iraq. You're arguing is pointless, because I believe Saddam had chem/bio weapons and denied it, what I said is you shouldn't get so excited by the crap the media spews. They're there to get ratings, sso stop getting so excited at every statement the make. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3204 Registered: 9-2001 |
man it is one thing to be skeptical but this is way over the top. While it is ideal that the US find the WMD it is not the end all. the reason we went to war is to confirm they are gone - something Iraq was not willing to do. If we find them then we can confirm destruction, if we don't then we have achieved the same end and in the process rid the country of criminals | ||
| Jim Conforti (Lndshrk)
New member Username: Lndshrk Post Number: 42 Registered: 8-2002 |
Dave, Don't waste your breath on the a$$clown. I don't get my news from the "news", nor from DoD releases. Nor is it any "guess" as to what is in Iraq (WMD) and who supplied the raw materials. It seems that Randall is one of those "looney liberals" who thinks everything is a CIA conspiracy. Most of what we know from WMD comes either from direct Intel, or actual ADMISSIONS of Iraqi scientists, who then 2-3 years later said "What WMD.. we destroyed it all".. YEAH.. Riiiight. (a$$clown!) I love guys like him who purport to be in the military and then feign ignorance as to why the DoD might not immediately admit a lost unit or downed plane during war. Hint Randall, being a (supposed) REMF doesn't forgive you for not understanding operational security. It couldn't be that SpecOps teams and PJs were desparately looking for the "lost units" and "crews". Nope.. it's the "slant of the US media". One can only hope you're never stuck behind enemy lines during some conflict. What a f**ing a$$clown. | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 282 Registered: 1-2003 |
It's been 2 days and not one news channel is mentioning the vast amount of chemical weapons and missiles loaded with weapons. Most of the crap you all are buying into is from the press, just idiots in the field trying to keep the viewers watching. Seconds after the first missile hit Kuwait ALL stations reported it was a scud. After the 4th one stations stopped calling them scuds. A lot of Americans still think Iraq fired multiple scuds at Kuwait recently, but Pentagon statements say otherwise. You're right, there are too many a$$clowns that listen to the press, gobbling up all the BS the put out. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 1070 Registered: 1-2002 |
No, Randall, we label them anti-American whe they believe the unmitigated BS put out by Iraqi & French & German a$$clowns but refuse to believe anything the US government says. This ring a bell with you? | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 277 Registered: 1-2003 |
Jim- The pentagon still has yet to release a statment regarding what was found. There's been 3 other false alarms, so before you get too excited why not wait for a statement? I love how you label people as anti-American just because they don't buy all the crap the press says. | ||
| Jim Conforti (Lndshrk)
New member Username: Lndshrk Post Number: 40 Registered: 8-2002 |
Martin, Sorry to correct you here, but that's not true. Mustard for example is made from sulfur and various chlorinated alkenes, never used for agriculture. Sarin is made from Flourinated Phosphorus acid and isopropyl alcohol (anhydrous, not the 70% hospital stuff) (I'm being intentionally vague for what should be obvious reasons.. a determined nut can make Sarin ONCE in his garage) There is no Nerve Agent or other war gas that uses the same reactants as "agri-chemicals" in whole, and saying that is a white-wash. A total German/French/Russian BS white-wash. As far as guises.. I wonder what the "guise" was for the FRENCH to be selling ammunition to the Iraq Gov't during a UN Embargo. Or did y'all miss the manufacturer of all those crates the 101st found S of B'dad?!? Strange food to be trading for oil, I'd say. Art, save your anti-American liberal BS rhetoric. The gov't of Iraq has more WMD hidden then you care to know.. NONE of it "US made". Especially the bacteriological stuff. Most of it the work of an Iraqi scientist (female). Those with access to the Intel know this. You don't have that access. | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Intermediate Member Username: Ross Post Number: 1004 Registered: 3-2002 |
art, i wouldn't mind your inflammatory statements so much if i was sure that once proof of wmd had been found that you would admit fault. on the contrary i consider you to be cut from the same cloth as chirac - so convinced of your own opinion that you wouldn't even consider conceding. contrary to what you may think, this is not a noble quality. it is a small man's vice. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1225 Registered: 6-2001 |
The only gas their going to find will be made in the USA. Art | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4233 Registered: 5-2001 |
Dave, the chemicals used to make nerve gas are the same as you use for fertilizer and in the desert they need quite a bid. JFYI Also Rhone-Poulec and Bayer are the biggest suppliers of these types of chemicals in Europe and Northern Africa and the Middle East. So not really a surprise here. Funny though  I heard the barrels surrendered immediately when the US troups arrived! | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Member Username: Ross Post Number: 997 Registered: 3-2002 |
sorry didn't see your thread before i responded to the other one on this subject. quite amazing, but typically french. what will most likely come out is that the french did not sell them the finished article but the ingredients under the guise of insecticide. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1385 Registered: 2-2001 |
That's an amazing discovery Dave... let's see what comes of it! Ernesto | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 1028 Registered: 1-2002 |
...that the 101st Airborne found today? The ones suspected of being Sarin nerve gas? Well, I did, on NBC News. And around the rim of EACH ONE, it said, IN FRENCH, "supplied by Rhone-Poulenc", which is a major French chemical/pharma conglomerate. Amzingly, none of the alleged "journalists" covering this story made note of this...but there it was, plain as day, on each barrel. |