| Author | Message | ||
| Ryan Casey Ausmus (Casey_a)
New member Username: Casey_a Post Number: 5 Registered: 7-2003 |
LMAO! This is too funny. I have a Toyota that's just as fast as the 575M and has gone 100k miles with just oil changes and brake jobs, I'll gladly trade it for that "crappy," 575M. Email me for my address, we can schedule a trade-off time. :D | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 895 Registered: 4-2002 |
Darrio wrote: "I want to be paying $200K plus for quality, reliability, and good service" I write: then go out and buy 7 Toyotas! It is a proven fact that the more of a single product a manufacture makes, the fewer problems one encounters with that product (guns and alcohol excluded). The $30K range sells the most vehicles, so it simply stands to reason that these cars have to be the best (reliability, and quality wise) simply in order to survive against the many competing models. Ferrari makes (?what?) 1,000 12 cylinder cars per year; 3 per day, over the (3-5 year) life of the 550 product run Ferrari made about a 1/2 days worth of Toyotas Camry production. This is much closer to a hand built car than a mass produced car. Hand built cars are not perfect like machine made cars. My family has had 3 Toyotas over the last decade. Other than standard and reasonable maintanence, nothing ever goes wrong. If this is what you want, then go buy a Toyota. | ||
| James Dunne (Audiguy)
Junior Member Username: Audiguy Post Number: 149 Registered: 6-2003 |
Guys, I think we have another candidate for the "clear marble" award here. You know, the clear marble that is given to you to insert in your navel so you can see where you are going while walking around with your head up your arse!!! Dario, because of your exhibition that this is what one of yours talents is and your willingness to expose it in front of this body of "F-car" believers, we hereby present you with this award. Wear it in good health. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2028 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>You F-car guy's jump on the defensive so fast without looking at the other point of things!!<< No one was on the defensive. Just explaing certian realities to an uninformed guy that's all. Not every fat wallet that swagers his way into a Ferrari Dealership is Ferrari Stock, there are many cry babies and light wieghts (whaaaaaa my switch doesn't work..boo hoo hoo) in this world who simply haven't been fully schooled on what it takes to be A REAL MAN until they try to fill a Ferrari/Lambo Owners shoes. Once they find out what a pansy they are they try to blame the car. Grow up & Grow a Pair before daring to think you have what it takes to be a Ferrari Owner!!!! That's what I was saying, not defensive at all...just realistic!!! Have a nice day... | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 2129 Registered: 7-2001 |
Sorry we didn't read your mind Dario. But a Ferrari is a machine. Machines by nature break. Just because one costs more than another, why should it be more reliable? Do you think a Sub Zero refrigerator is 10 times better than the Roper unit from Sams? It certainly costs more. God forbid it ever break. Have you looked at the reliability numbers on the S-Class Mercedes? They're 'crap'. Can you believe people would buy one of those instead of a Hyundai Sonata? My Ferrari has problems too. I deal with it. I planned for it. I'll also guess that you can find a ton of 550 owners that have no problems for 10,000 miles. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2304 Registered: 1-2002 |
Hey, Dario, you should have quit while you were ahead. I ==did== look at both points of view! Get your head out of your tail & reread my post, which I have courteously pasted here for you: "Dario, the 575 is a GT car, and not a race car. Of course its suspension is softer than a 360, or a Porsche. It is built for a different purpose. As for the maladies, they are all covered by warranty. Granted, that is a a lot to go wrong in 800 miles, but there are near-lemons of EVERY brand of car. In fact, I am sure you know of the legions of problems that have faced Porsches over the years. To paint ALL Ferraris as "crap" for this reason is just as stupid as painting ALL Porsches as "crap" because of isolated problems with 911's, Boxsters, and, of course, Cayennes."   | ||
| 360 Killer (Dario)
New member Username: Dario Post Number: 21 Registered: 12-2002 |
I was actually looking for a "that sucks, can't believe it" or "yeah Ferrari needs to get their sh%t together before competition really catches up" ... this is what I was looking for, but you guy's are so quick to come up with EXCUSES (that stuff is warranty whaaa! ... You can get that fixed whaaa! That's just one example not all of them whaaa! He should be glad he can have a Ferrari whaaaa!!) give me a break! You F-car guy's jump on the defensive so fast without looking at the other point of things!! | ||
| 360 Killer (Dario)
New member Username: Dario Post Number: 20 Registered: 12-2002 |
Maybe the word CRAP that i've used in my post's was a poor choice of a word ... my reason for being here is not to bash Ferrari or bash you guy's for thinking Ferrari's are great, I'd love to own a Ferrari, I'm only stating my disappointment with the build quality of the 575M, or 360 for that matter, just ranting and raving about a car that I want and wish was better, not bashing ... sorry. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 2124 Registered: 7-2001 |
Why are you here Dario? To start a flame war? We buy Ferraris because we love them. No other reason. Is it rational? Probably not, it's emotional. Did anybody here buy their car for its reliability or quality? No. I don't have 'room in my garage' for my F-car either, so my Yukon XL sits outside. At the moment, so does my new Jag. Speaking of garage poor, have you met Rob Lay? His dream is to have a garage with walls. But owning a Ferrari means more to him than a garage. It obviously doesn't to you. Maybe you should go buy an NSX, then you can have reliability and quality and you can go to the NSX website and talk about the 'crap' Ferraris. Plus, you'll have and extra $100k plus build another garage. | ||
| 360 Killer (Dario)
New member Username: Dario Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2002 |
A few points ... I still don't buy into the whole it's a Ferrari you're paying $200K plus for a design and heritage and etc ... I want to be paying $200K plus for quality, reliability, and good service ... IF I paid a hefty chunk of change, to the tune of a quarter of a million, for a car and then had to roll the window down, reach out and open my door from the outside, SORRY NO THANKS!?? I'm not too interested with the soft suspension comments about the car, that is easily fixed and IMO the soft ride fits the 575 pupose of luxury/sports car ... the list that followed is what deters me from Ferrari ... I've stated before the only reason I don't have a Ferrari right now is because I don't have a third garage and having the F-car as a daily driver is too much risk for me ... the TT does fine until I buy a bigger house with a bigger stable to add the horse ... My dad on the other hand won't be able to put the "you're paying for the name not the reliability or quality" CRAP you guy's keep telling yourselves?? http://www.jjcars.com/reardrvrangle.jpg http://www.flat-6.net/phpBB/uploads/64239667.jpg http://members.rennlist.com/kpv/kpv-lowered-7-small.jpg http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1926 http://www.ldsys.net/~maxwell/images/911tt.jpg | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 2119 Registered: 7-2001 |
I just wonder what your Dad thinks? | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2293 Registered: 1-2002 |
JRV, you are spot-on. Dario, the 575 is a GT car, and not a race car. Of course its suspension is softer than a 360, or a Porsche. It is built for a different purpose. As for the maladies, they are all covered by warranty. Granted, thatis a a lot to go wrong in 800 miles, but there are near-lemons of EVERY brand of car. In fact, I am sure you know of the legions of problems that have faced Porsches over the years. To paint ALL Ferraris as "crap" for this reason is just as stupid as painting ALL Porsches as "crap" because of isolated problems with 911's, Boxsters, and, of course, Cayennes. 'Nuff said. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 1377 Registered: 3-2001 |
What's the deal with these Dads? His Dad, your Dad??? Are all these Ferrari driving Dads buying new Porsches for their kids??? I was obviously born into the wrong family. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5641 Registered: 12-2000 |
very good post JRV. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2022 Registered: 11-2002 |
I really don't think that list of glitches means much, and certianly doesn't point to the car being crap. New cars can have glitches which is why they would never sell without a warranty. Yes the buyer will be slightly inconviened by taking the car back to get glitches worked out This sounds perhaps like a case of unrealistic expectations than crap car imo. Ferraris are expensive, exclusive cars, not perfect never gonna have a glitch cars. Now if he recieved poor Dealer service to get the bugs worked out that's another story entirely, and certianly not excusable. And if poor Dealer service was the reason he became frustrated and sold, the first part of my writing is retracted and my appologies. On soft suspensions: That's what 99% of the market demands, cushy ride quality, however suspensions have allways been "tuneable" to suit a particular owners wants, but a factory has no way of knowing what an individual will want in advance or even before they've had the car awhile, long enough to become fully accustomed to stock, in oirder to make relivant & prudent changes. | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6120 Registered: 8-2002 |
Allan? | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5640 Registered: 12-2000 |
yawn | ||
| 360 Killer (Dario)
New member Username: Dario Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2002 |
Was thinking about sending my dad to FOD because their inventory sais they have a Black/Black 575m in stock ... on the Porsche forum, one of the posters has a list of his car's and it shows 2003 575M (sold) ... so I asked him in PM why it sold ... here is the response "Thanks for the response, Trust me I wouldn't go for the 575M, my dad had one for about 5 months, and hated it everday, then sold it, and lost A LOT of money. I hated the car from day one. He traded his 360 Modena on the car, and I wish everyday that he would have kept the 360. The 575M, has WAY too much body roll, and lift during cornering and acceleration!! The suspension is WAY too soft in that car. The car also had a lot of problems within the 800 miles he had it including: -Driver side door hande would not open from inside (had to reach out to open it) -Right rear shock had to be replaced -Fuel door latch broke, and had to be taped shut -CD changer did not work -No radio reception whatsoever -Fuel gauge didn't work properly (never indicated full tank, was always 2 bars under, even right after filling up) -Passenger window stoped working Well you get the point, A LOT of crap happened, now don't get me wrong the car hauls ass, but it just had way too many problems." I know Ferrari = Crap but I still want one, oh well? |