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348 Quick Voltage Check - Connector 115 Pin 2 ?

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  1. Wade

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    #1 Wade, Nov 15, 2015
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    Question and favor; those with early 348s.

    The earlier cars (mine's a 1990) have 9 pins for Connector 115 (engine bay, left strut tower, round) while later cars have 10 or 11.

    If yours has 9 pins, and using a multimeter, can you test for voltage at Pin 2 for me?

    Test with the ignition key OFF and all other conditions normal.

    The wiring schematic doesn't provide the information that I need.

    Thanks in advance.
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  2. Wade

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    #2 Wade, Nov 15, 2015
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    Here's a close-up of Connector 115 and how it's positioned in my car (looking straight at it).

    Looking closely you can see the top row (7, 4, 1) and the bottom (9, 6, 3).

    Pin 2 is in the right column and center.
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  3. Wade

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    Anybody?

    If your multimeter is handy this test takes about 30 seconds to do (includes opening the trunk lid). :)
     
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    Wade- my car is '94, but if you find that the pins carry over to the different years/connectors I'll be happy to get you a reading.
     
  5. Wade

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    Thanks Alex, but I'm pretty sure that you have 10 or 11 pins (I have 9). Plus the wiring schematics are different; Pin 2 on yours goes to the Alternator whereas on mine it's for the Speedo Sensor.
     
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    He'd strip the speedometer out of the car in the name of weight reduction. ;)
     
  8. Wade

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    As Mike noted on his car, the connector's position may be different than mine (which appears to be rotated). Thus, a closer look will be required in order to properly identify Pin 2.

    However, and still as a quick check, it's believed that all pins should show zero volts.

    I'm very interested to hear if anyone has found voltage on this connector, with the ignition key turned off. And if so, which pin.

    Thanks
     
  9. GTO Joe

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    Ok, I have an early (July '89) car with the 9 pins. With no key in the ignition and everything else off I got 0 volts on all pins EXCEPT the middle pin on the bottom row (which is the one I think you are looking for) which gave me a reading of 12.4 volts. Hope this helps. Great thread by the way. Good luck!
     
  10. Wade

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    #10 Wade, Nov 17, 2015
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    Hmm... interesting. At this point that could be either 2, 4, 6 or 8, depending on how your connector is positioned.

    But, if yours is positioned like mine (Pin 6, bottom center) then that's the Green/White wire going to the speedo sensor as well (via Connector 118 -> Connector M (fuse box) -> Fuse 6 -> Relay E - > Etc.).

    Does your camera have macro setting for close-ups? If so, can you get a shot of that?

    Thanks Joe
     
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    #11 GTO Joe, Nov 17, 2015
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    Ok, here is a drawing of my plug with the corresponding numbers (from the female plug). I was getting voltage from what appears to me to be pin number 8. Kind of backwards the way they have the plug numbered. Also, my top is where the larger indexing slot is on the plug if that helps. Given what you have said it appears my plug is 45 degrees CC from yours. Tried the camera but couldn't get a good shot. Let me know if you need more.

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    That's the way my socket is installed. It makes sense when you consider that the pin numbers on the socket attached to the car go from left to right and top to bottom. What's odd is that I got zero volts on any of those pins with the battery on and the key switch off. Non-functioning speedometer aside, my car is in generally very good shape so there's no reason to suspect a wiring problem. Which is obviously no guaranty that there isn't one...
     
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    #13 Wade, Nov 17, 2015
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    Odd, I rotated my photo so that the big keyway is at the 12 o'clock position (like yours) and the numbering is backwards from mine. EDIT: But of course! Missed the female part. :)

    I believe it was Miltonian said something about not trusting the numbers. :(

    The next step is going straight to the wiring...
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    Well I went out and double checked my plug again and the numbering is as I indicated above on my drawing. As mentioned they came from the female plug because I can not make out numbers inside the male attached to the frame. Now, I hope I haven't mislead you because I am still getting a reading on number 8 from my fancy, expensive digital mm but I went and pulled out my trusty 40 year old analogue meter and got nothing on any of the pins. This AM when I did the read I got a steady 12.4 with the digital and 0's on all the others while now I continue to get the 0's on all but a random reading on my number 8. If I was to bet on this I would go with old trusty and say it is 0 on all the pins. I really don't want to mess the good work you guys are doing on this project. Hope this clarifies and corrects what I have posted before.
     
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    #15 Wade, Nov 17, 2015
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    LOL on the female plug... I totally missed that part (edited above). Thanks for the clarification and re-do.

    As a fyi, I've noticed that the probes on some of the expensive meters only connect/contact at the very tips.

    And, unfortunately, there's nothing connected to Pin 8. According to the WSM anyway. Crazy, yes?
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    Joe, super nice of you to go to the trouble and contribute to the knowledge base. More data points are better since we can't be 100% certain that my wiring is behaving as it should. Thanks for helping.

    Wade, the fact that there's not a wire shown to be connected to Pin 8 is no assurance that there isn't one. As far as I can tell there's a speedometer connector wire missing from the factory diagram, so it's certainly conceivable that other parts of the diagram are not exactly correct.
     
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    So much for when you hear "Read the ____ manual!" lol

    If I have to remove the entire wire harness (C 115 to Connector D) to figure this out, I will. :)
     
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    Take lots of pics! ;)
     
  19. Wade

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    #19 Wade, Nov 17, 2015
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    That is awesome, Wade! Thanks for doing that.

    And, just as you said, so much for RTFM, since at least one of those wires is not shown.

    Make sure to link this to the Epic Speedometer Thread, since it will be of use to anyone chasing speedo wiring issues (like that would ever happen ;)).
     
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    Remaining Pins of Connector 115:

    Pin 8 (White, thick) - to Starter Motor Solenoid (Page L22)

    Pin 9 (Green/Black) (Page L29): Min/Max AC Press. SW --- Connector A (fuse box) --- Connector D (fuse box), branch to ECU 1-4 --- Connector 118, branch to ECU 5-8 --- Connector 115 Pin 9 --- Compressor Clutch.
     
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    #22 Wade, Nov 18, 2015
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    Thanks for the pointers. I'll be shooting wires tonight.

    Updated Pin-out.
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